Is this an undeniable truth where Canada would start collapsing in a couple years if we didn't? Or could this be a mantra that's just been repeated for the last 20 or 40 years?
Some countries are real shit holes and parts of their culture leaves a lot to be desired. Honour killings, Bacha bazi, female genital mutilation, Rape Culture, and so on.
Yes. Look at the crisis that some countries are facing with a shrinking working class, aging population and low birth rates but also have low immigration rates for various reasons.
Possibly. But sometimes spending abroad can minimise problems at home, open doors and get seats at certain tables. Unless we decide to radically shift our diplomatic strategies it is still something done by various countries.
I bet the net gain is more. Most immigrants and a lot of refugees are sponsored and provided for by non government entities,
And I would argue that most are trying to get away from those negative cultural things. Getting the balance right is no easy task. I have yet to have a negative encounter with anyone not born here. I currently have 5 people working with me directly that are all from various places and cultural areas that some might think are incompatible yet we make it work without any animosity or conflicts.
I guess that comes from what approach one takes. I see it from the point of view that Canada's birth rate has been declining and we are also at the point where the baby-boomer generation are reaching retirement age. That means the overall labour pool is contracting which has a detrimental effect on the economy. (He snidely comments that we could probably get by for a year or two if the civil service was contracted and released a few hundred thousand government workers into the general labour pool).
Things like residency requirements for the vast majority of employers went out with the buggy whip.
From what I understand it is very costly to write equivalency exams especially in the medical field.
Perhaps - I don't know about the costs involved. Their big challenge was residency slots, which are limited for 'foreign trained doctors'.
Another popular one is health inspecting, because it’s only a 4 year degree in a similar field. I had family do that course in the early 2000s with such notables as a Russian brain surgeon and a couple other eastern European trained doctors.
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Can I cheat and ask you for some examples of those countries?
Canada spent millions trying to get a seat at the UN security council which didn't pan out. Even were it to work I'm not sure what those seats will actually mean to Canadians.
Probably a net gain. We're probably still wasting billions and could be smarter about it. Accepting asylum seekers for reasons such as being gay is ridiculous. That shouldn't be on tax payers. Buddy planning to mass murder jews in NY was seeking refugee status in Canada, we need to tighten the process up.
I agree, but we're getting more than 'just a few' bad apples.
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Japan.
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The population is also living longer hence why it can still grow while birth rates drop.
Yes. Bringing in immigrants doesn’t solve the birth rate issue, it solves the population required to maintain the economy problem.
Not really because that isn’t the cause of a dropping birth rate.
Would be accurate to include those numbers.
It will likely close doors on the diplomatic front. Everything depends on what or where we try to exert what influence we can. And 5.3 billion isn’t going to the Philippines. A little research shows that that Philippines is now going to be one of five countries that that 5.3 Bn is going towards and that a good chunk of that 5.3bn is actually low interests loans. And over 5 years. So it’s not quite as some people are portraying it. It’s fine to criticize the why and what fors though.
Agreed. Like anything we should be more efficient at spending. Like the CAF for example. We waste a ton of money on things that we in the CAF would cry fou on if it was all cut.
Why?
There will always be crazies in any population. Including the domestic homegrown type.
The way some are making it sound though is that they are “all” bad apples though.
Works in several directions. I had a troop this summer have his life threatened and told to go back to wherever because he was middle eastern. Accused him of siding with Hamas etc etc. He was just minding his own business but was in public in uniform. Old world grievances exists and how we handle it is important. I still have anglos born here bitch about me being Franco. No where near how it was when I was growing up but it still exists. Humans can be jerks.
I think your last sentence is key.
Thanks I'll dig into it.
Yeah, so bringing in immigrants doesn't solve birth rate issues (and possibly makes the numbers worse).
Seems like we use money to open a lot of those doors. I don't have a lot of faith those doors actually lead anywhere.
Fair point. That's still $5.3B being sent outside of Canada. Are these loans routinely paid back? Not a lot of faith in our diplomatic practices, especially after Canada letting foreign interference fester under our noses while our MPs acted like privates when they hear work party mentioned.
1. Canadians aren't morally responsible for the behavior and actions of other countries. Nor do I think tax payers should be on the hook. We're not the world police and we have a lot of our own citizens who deserve help first.
Right. We need to deal with both. More thoroughly vetting people coming to Canada is one way to mitigate problems.
We're in the middle of just a few bad apples and all bad apples.
Agreed. Lets be more careful with who we let in.
These figures really deal with the per woman fertility rate. On average the "replacement fertility rate" per woman is 2.3 live births in her lefetime. This rate keeps the population at a fixed level. Canada's current fertility rate is 1.33 which is significantly below the replacement fertility rate.
As much as I have meet/worked with and married immigrants who I like. I have met quite a few I would rather they had never come here. Many of them try to set up here, the same shit they left behind. They are only interested in the economic gain they can realize, and no interests in our culture. Islam as currently preached and pushed is hardwired to take over and suppress other cultures and will do so using their methods and the tools available in each country.
Mantra. Canada's aging population profile is a strain - particularly on health care provision - but it's not going to collapse the nation. Nor would a gradually shrinking population. (A rapidly decreasing population might, but we don't have anything like a "one-child" policy.) The call for immigrants to increase productive output is a smokescreen for falling gross productivity; it can't conceal the more important number which is per capita productive output.
The fault is the same as with many policies - if it's good enough for certain people in a certain situation, it ought to be available to other people in similar situations. Researchers generally find that immigrants are, on net, industrious - usually, more industrious on net than non-immigrants. It should be obvious that elevating their circumstances so as to more quickly increase their productive output pays off later. But those same programs should be available to lift up anyone who needs that lift.
Amen
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