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Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)

Reprise on how to "turn" the population to our side. Certainly nothing we have tried to date seems to have worked:

https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2017/06/03/counter-terror-lessons-from-americas-civil-war/

Counter-terror Lessons from America's Civil War
BY DAVID P. GOLDMAN JUNE 3, 2017

The essay below first appeared a year ago in The Asia Times, under the headline, "Why the terrorists are winning the intelligence war." There's a tried and true American approach to suppressing terrorism, and it worked quite well during Gen. Sherman's 1863 Kentucky campaign and Gen. Phil Sheridan's subsequent reduction of the Shenandoah Valley. We don't have to be particularly smart; we merely have to do some disgusting things. Sherman and Sheridan suppressed sniping at Union soldiers by Confederate civilians by burning the towns (just the towns, not the townsfolk) that sheltered them. In other words, they forced collective responsibility upon a hostile population, a doctrine that in peacetime is entirely repugnant, but that in wartime becomes unavoidable. By contrast, the peacetime procedure of turning petty criminals into police snitches has backfired terribly. No doubt we will learn that the perpetrators of tonight's horror at London Bridge were known to police, like the Manchester Arena suicide bomber and most of the perpetrators of large-scale terrorist acts in Europe during the past several years. (Update: "At Least One London Bridge Terrorist Was a 'Known Wolf'") The remedy is time-tested and straightforward. We merely require the will to apply it.

Why the terrorists are winning the intelligence war

Yet another criminal known to security services has perpetrated a mass killing, the Tunisian Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel. Why did the French police allow a foreign national with a criminal record of violence to reside in France? Apart from utter incompetence, the explanation is that he was a snitch for the French authorities. Blackmailing Muslim criminals to inform on prospective terrorists is the principal activity of European counter-terrorism agencies, as I noted in 2015. Every Muslim in Europe knows this.

The terrorists, though, have succeeded in turning the police agents sent to spy on them and forcing them to commit suicide attacks to expiate their sins. This has become depressingly familiar; as Ryan Gallagher reported recently, perpetrators already known to the authorities committed ten of the highest-profile attacks between 2013 and 2015.

The terrorists, in other words, are adding insult to injury. By deploying police snitches as suicide attackers, terrorists assert their moral superiority and power over western governments. The message may be lost on the western public, whose security agencies and media do their best to obscure it, but it is well understood among the core constituencies of the terrorist groups: the superiority of Islam turns around the depraved criminals whom the western police send to spy on us, and persuades them to become martyrs for the cause of Islam.
These attacks, in other words, are designed to impress the Muslim public as much as they are intended to horrify the western public. In so many words, the terrorists tell Muslims that western police agencies cannot protect them. If they cooperate with the police they will be found out and punished.  The West fears the power of Islam: it evinces such fear by praising Islam as a religion of peace, by squelching dissent in the name of fighting supposed Islamophobia, and by offering concessions and apologies to Muslims. Ordinary Muslims live in fear of the terror networks, which have infiltrated their communities and proven their ability to turn the efforts of western security services against them. They are less likely to inform on prospective terrorists and more likely to aid them by inaction.

The terrorists, in short, are winning the intelligence war, because they have shaped the environment in which intelligence is gathered and traded. But that is how intelligence wars always proceed: spies switch sides and tell their stories because they want to be with the winner. ISIS and al-Qaeda look like winners in the eyes of western Muslim populations after humiliating the security services of the West.

As a result, western European Muslims fear the terrorists more than they fear the police. The West will remain vulnerable to mass terror attacks until the balance of fear shifts in the other direction.

As the Prussian army drove into France during the 1870 war with France, Germany’s Chancellor Otto von Bismarck sought the advice of the American military observer, none other than Phil Sheridan, whose cavalry had burned out the farmers of the Shenandoah Valley in the last stages of the conflict. What should Bismarck do about French snipers and saboteurs from villages along the Prussian route of march? Sheridan told Bismarck to burn the villages, leaving the people “with nothing left but their eyes to weep with after the war.” That, and hang the snipers, Sheridan threw in.

Like Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, who burned a great swath through Georgia and the Carolinas, Sheridan believed that war is won not just by killing soldiers but by denying them support from a broader civilian population. There’s nothing particularly clever about this insight. One learns from James Lee McDonough’s new biography of Sherman how ordinary the great man was–a competent military officer without a minute’s combat experience before the war began, then an honest but unsuccessful banker. When the war came Sherman came close to a nervous breakdown, trying in vain to convince his masters that they would have to kill 300,000 Southern soldiers and devastate the Confederacy to win the war. He then distinguished himself in combat at Shiloh in 1863 and went on to become the scourge of the Deep South.

The Union always had more men and more resources; what it lacked was generals with the stomach for the job. That meant not only the grisly war of attrition waged by Grant, another middling commander with absolute resolve, but also retaliation against civilians: When snipers fired on Union soldiers from Tennessee or Kentucky villages, Sherman expelled residents, burned houses, and laid waste to crops. There are lessons here for what we used to call, quaintly, the Global War on Terror.

Destroying ISIS, al-Qaeda and other Muslim terror groups is not particularly difficult, far less difficult than Sherman or Sheridan’s task during the Civil War. It simply requires doing some disgusting things. Western intelligence doesn’t have to infiltrate terror groups, tap phones, mine social media postings and so forth (although these doubtless are worth doing). Muslim communities in the West will inform on the terrorists. They will tell police when someone has packed up and gone to Syria, and when he has returned. They will tell police who is talking about killing westerners, who has a suspicious amount of cash, who is listening to broadcasts from Salafist preachers.

They will tell western security services everything they need to know, provided that western security services ask in the right way. I mean in Phil Sheridan’s way. Like the victorious Union generals of the Civil War, the West does not have to be particularly clever. It simply needs to understand what kind of war is is fighting.

Most Muslims are peaceful people who disapprove of terrorism, but many are not. Opinion polls show a large and consistent minority  of 20% to 40% approves of at least some form of terrorism. Support for ISIS generally is low, but much higher for Hezbollah, Hamas and other terrorist groups. By any reasonable count there are a few hundred million Muslims who in some way approve of terror, although very few of them would take part in terror attacks. But they are the sea in which the sharks can swim unobserved. They may not build bombs, but they will turn a blind eye to terrorists in their midst, especially if those terrorists are relations. They also fear retaliation from the terrorists if they inform.

The way to win the war is to frighten the larger community of Muslims who passively support terror by action or inaction–frighten them so badly that they will inform on family members. Frightening the larger Muslim population in the West does not require a great deal of effort: a few thousand deportations would do. Western intelligence services do not even have to deport the right people; the wrong people know who they are, and so do many of their neighbors. The ensuing conversation is an easy one to have. “I understand that your nephew is due for deportation, Hussein, and I believe you when you tell me that he has done nothing wrong. I might be able to help you. But you have to help me. Give me something I can use–and don’t waste my time by making things up, or I swear that I’ll deport you, too. If you don’t have any information, then find out who does.”

This approach to quashing insurgency has worked numerous times in the past. It is not characteristic of peacetime life in western democracies, to be sure, but neither was Phil Sheridan’s ride through the Shenandoah. We prefer to think about winning hearts and minds. Winning the hearts and minds of a people, though, isn’t difficult once they fear you.
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Thucydides said:
Reprise on how to "turn" the population to our side. Certainly nothing we have tried to date seems to have worked:

https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2017/06/03/counter-terror-lessons-from-americas-civil-war/
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Yes, lets apply the violence associated with a total war that killed nearly a million people to incidents that barely register on the richter scale.  The authors thesis is phenomenally stupid. 

This article also ignores the fact that Western Governments have been far more successful at terrorizing Muslims than any Islamic Fundamentalist could ever hope to be.

Religion is always a presence in conflict; however, it isn't the root cause.  That title is reserved exclusively for money and power. 

Take the military blinders off and have a look at the shit we do in the World, everyone has blood on their hands. 

The best we can do is stop the blind hatred, treat everyone with the respect and dignity they deserve.

Nah lets go put the torches to the entire city of Brampton, colloquially known as "Brown Town" by certain folks in the GTA.  Meanwhile, we will suck the tit of a Saudi Prince to save a nickel at the pumps.

The amount of holier than thou, self-absorbed monologue I see and hear everyday disgusts me. 

Here is an idea, next time you see a Muslim walking down the street say hello to them, buy them a cup of coffee, heck maybe even spend time getting to know one, you might be surprised to find out they are actually good people.


 
Meanwhile, in Australia earlier this week while we were all watching London (all links to various Aussie media) ...
More via Google News here.

Meanwhile, in a story associated with the bad guy highlighted above, a win for the good guys ...
"An audacious plot by Islamic extremists for a massive terrorist suicide attack at the Holsworthy Barracks was foiled by a massive surveillance operation by police in 2009.  Investigators at the time believed that had the plot to shoot as many people as possible at one of Australia's biggest army bases succeeded it would have been the worst-ever terrorist attack on home soil.  They managed to thwart the deadly plan for a shooting rampage at the barracks in Sydney's southwest, where thousands of army troops and a major anti-terrorist unit was based, after a lengthy surveillance campaign led to multiple arrests after raids in Melbourne in August 2009.  Yacqub Khayre was one of five men who stood trial in 2010 over the plot but he and one of his co-accused, Abdirahman Ahmed, were acquitted by the Victorian Supreme Court ..."
 
milnews.ca said:
Meanwhile, in Australia earlier this week while we were all watching London (all links to various Aussie media) ...
More via Google News here.

Meanwhile, in a story associated with the bad guy highlighted above, a win for the good guys ...
"An audacious plot by Islamic extremists for a massive terrorist suicide attack at the Holsworthy Barracks was foiled by a massive surveillance operation by police in 2009.  Investigators at the time believed that had the plot to shoot as many people as possible at one of Australia's biggest army bases succeeded it would have been the worst-ever terrorist attack on home soil.  They managed to thwart the deadly plan for a shooting rampage at the barracks in Sydney's southwest, where thousands of army troops and a major anti-terrorist unit was based, after a lengthy surveillance campaign led to multiple arrests after raids in Melbourne in August 2009.  Yacqub Khayre was one of five men who stood trial in 2010 over the plot but he and one of his co-accused, Abdirahman Ahmed, were acquitted by the Victorian Supreme Court ..."
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Fake news, guns aren't allowed in Australia.
 
NJ DHS:  ISIL & AQ's been pushing simple attacks on crowds lately ...
Since the beginning of May, al-Qa’ida, as well as its affiliate al-Qa’ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), and ISIS have disseminated new propaganda, encouraging homegrown violent extremists (HVEs) to target large gatherings and outdoor events in the United States during the summer months.
  • In an audio statement released on May 13, Hamza bin Ladin—a son of deceased al-Qa’ida leader Usama bin Ladin—directed followers to AQAP’s English-language magazine, Inspire, which offers tactical guidance to sympathizers, such as choosing low security targets and case studies on past attacks. Hamza also encouraged sympathizers to use “patience” and to “take [the] lead in inflicting losses.”
  • On May 6, AQAP leader Qasim al-Rimi released the group’s first Inspire Address, instructing HVEs in the United States to carry out “easy and simple attacks.” Rimi also encouraged sympathizers to act “the same as our brother Omar Mateen did, he took an AK47 and headed towards their gathering,” referring to the Orlando shooting in June 2016.
  • On May 4, ISIS published the ninth edition of its English-language online magazine, Rumiyah, advising followers to choose “ideal target locations,” which include movie theaters, restaurants, concert halls, and public swimming pools
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U.N.'s latest take:  "Despite pressure and losses, ISIL remains potent threat, UN political chief warns Security Council"
After losing control on population centres and declining financial strength, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL/Da'esh) terrorist group is more focused than ever before on “enabling and inspiring” attacks outside of conflict zones, the top United Nations political official said today.

“The threat from ISIL has been intensified by its use of the Internet and social media to disseminate propaganda online to a wide international audience,” Jeffrey Feltman, the UN Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs, told a Security Council meeting on threats to international peace and security caused by terrorist acts.

“Although the volume of such messages has declined in the past 16 months, the threat persists as supporters outside Syria and Iraq collect and re-distribute this propaganda,” he added.

In Europe, for example, ISIL has used its online presence to encourage supporters to mount attacks in their countries of residence. “This has led to multiple attacks, including in Belgium, France, Germany, the Russian Federation, Sweden, Turkey, and the United Kingdom,” noted Mr. Feltman, adding that while some of those extremists had been labelled “lone actors,” investigations demonstrate that the perpetrators often received support or resources from facilitators and, in a number of cases, were in direct contact with ISIL enablers.

He also noted a decrease in the flow of foreign terrorist fighters and in the overall number of ISIL fighters during the last 16 months but returnees and the relocation of fighters from the conflict zones to other regions now present a considerable – and an increasingly transnational – threat to international security.

At same time, Mr. Feltman also warned that ISIL continues to fund affiliates, while urging them to become more self-sufficient and proactive in developing internal revenue streams ...
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More @ link, in meeting summary & attached report
 

Attachments

Mo' bad guys for the U.S.'s bad guy list ...
The Department of State has designated Mohammad Shafi Armar, Oussama Ahmad Atar, and Mohammed Isa Yousif Saqar Al Binali as Specially Designated Global Terrorists (SDGTs) under Section 1(b) of Executive Order (E.O.) 13224, which imposes sanctions on foreign persons determined to have committed, or pose a significant risk of committing, acts of terrorism that threaten the security of U.S. nationals, or the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States. As a consequence of these designations, U.S. persons are generally prohibited from engaging in transactions or dealings with Armar, Atar, and Binali, and all of their property and interests in property subject to United States jurisdiction is blocked.

Mohammad Shafi Armar is a leader and head recruiter in India for the Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) and Specially Designated Global Terrorist (SDGT) group, ISIS. He has cultivated a group of dozens of ISIS sympathizers who are involved in terrorist activities across India, such as plotting attacks, procuring weapons, and identifying locations for terrorist training camps.

Oussama Ahmad Atar is a senior leader of ISIS’s external operations efforts and has established a network to carry out attacks in Europe. He was a leading coordinator of the November 2015 Paris attacks and March 2016 attacks in Brussels. The Belgian-Moroccan national was responsible for recruiting, training, and sending at least some of the individuals to Paris to launch the November 2015 attacks, which killed and injured hundreds, including Americans. He also recruited and mentored two of the bombers involved in the March 2016 Brussels attacks that killed 32 and left many more wounded.

Mohammed Isa Yousif Saqar Al Binali is a senior member of ISIS. Binali departed Bahrain to join the terrorist group in 2014 and has since appeared in multiple ISIS propaganda videos calling on Bahrainis, specifically members of Bahrain’s security forces, to join ISIS ...
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... with a bit more granular detail from the Treasury Department here:
The following individuals have been added to OFAC's SDN List:

AL BINALI, Mohammed Isa Yousif Saqar (a.k.a. AL-BINALI, Mohamed Isa; a.k.a. ALBINALI, Mohammad Isa; a.k.a. AL-BINALI, Mohammed; a.k.a. AL-BINALI, Mohammed Isa; a.k.a. "Abu Al Silmi"; a.k.a. "Abu Isa Al Salmi"; a.k.a. "Abu Issa Al-Selmy"); DOB 09 Mar 1991; POB Manama, Bahrain; nationality Bahrain; Gender Male (individual) [SDGT].

AL-KUBAYSI, 'Umar (a.k.a. AL-KUBAYSI ARHAYM, Umar Mahmud; a.k.a. AL-KUBAYSI, Umar Mahmud Rahim; a.k.a. AL-QUBAYSI, Umar Mahmud Rahim; a.k.a. ARHAYM, 'Umar Mahmud; a.k.a. RAHIM, 'Umar Mahmud), al-Qaim, al-Anbar Province, Iraq; DOB 01 Jan 1967; nationality Iraq; Gender Male (individual) [SDGT] (Linked To: ISLAMIC STATE OF IRAQ AND THE LEVANT).

ARMAR, Mohammad Shafi (a.k.a. ARMAR, Mohammed Shafi; a.k.a. ARMAR, Safi; a.k.a. ARMAR, Shafi; a.k.a. "Anjan Bhai"; a.k.a. "Chote Maula"; a.k.a. "Yousouf al-Hindi"; a.k.a. "Yousuf-Al Hindi"; a.k.a. "Yusuf al-Hindi"), Syria; DOB 1989 to 1991; POB Bhatkal, Karnataka, India; Gender Male (individual) [SDGT].

ATAR, Oussama Ahmad (a.k.a. ATAR, Oussama; a.k.a. ATAR, Usama; a.k.a. ATTAR, Usama), Raqqa, Syria; DOB 1983 to 1985; POB Belgium; nationality Belgium; alt. nationality Morocco; Gender Male (individual) [SDGT] ...
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Here in Canada ...
A 29-year-old Quebec man has been found guilty of attempting to leave Canada to commit terrorist acts.

Ismael Habib is the first adult tried under a section of Canada's Anti-terrorism Act enacted by the former Stephen Harper government in 2013.

During the ​trial, it was revealed that Habib told an undercover RCMP officer posing as a crime boss peddling fake passports that it was his "duty" to fight jihad alongside ISIS in Syria.

He also confessed to whipping a prisoner on a 2013 trip to Syria. Those confessions were taped by RCMP officers.

In a decision read out Monday afternoon in Quebec Court, Judge Serge Délisle questioned Habib's testimony that he had left Canada in 2013 seeking to be with his family.

Délisle said that was inconsistent with how he went online looking for girlfriend ...
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Some more Allah-ackbaring. Police officer stabbed in the back and neck.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40360428
 
Jarnhamar said:
Some more Allah-ackbaring. Police officer stabbed in the back and neck.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40360428
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The thing I don't get is, if Allah is so Akbar, why does he need these numpties to do his dirty work? I mean, the Judeo-Christian version took responsibility for the job with the great flood, with an almost 100% success rate. If I was all Akbar, I think I'd rather deploy my own Interdimensional Ballistic Lightning Bolts than entrust the job to a bunch of mental defectives.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Some more Allah-ackbaring. Police officer stabbed in the back and neck.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40360428
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Latest from the FBI ...
FBI Statement on Incident at Flint's Bishop International Airport

This morning, law enforcement officers from a number of organizations, including the FBI’s office in Flint, Michigan, responded to Flint’s Bishop International Airport after receiving the report of a stabbing of an airport police officer who is presently considered to be in stable condition.

The suspect was taken into custody at the airport and is currently being questioned by law enforcement officers.

The FBI, with our local, state, and federal law enforcement partners, is jointly investigating this incident to determine the nature and motive for the attack. We are aware of reports that the attacker made statements immediately prior to or while attacking the officer, but it is too early to determine the nature of these alleged statements or whether or not this was an act of terrorism.

Based on the information that we have at this time, we believe this to be an isolated incident. We currently have no specific, credible information that there is a threat to the Flint community.

If you have any information about this incident, please call the FBI’s Detroit Field Office at (313) 965-2323 or submit information at tips.fbi.gov.
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... and NBC News:
An officer for Bishop International Airport was stabbed Wednesday in a possible terror-related incident in Flint, Michigan, sources told NBC News.

The attacker allegedly shouted "Allahu akbar" before stabbing Lieutenant Jeff Neville, who was bleeding from the neck, sources and witnesses at Bishop International Airport said.

Neville is a member of the airport's Department of Public Safety and a retired Genesee County Sheriff’s Department lieutenant.

Law enforcement officials said the suspect is from Quebec and has a Canadian passport ...
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Prepare the "the 9-11 guys didn't come in via Canada" disclaimer ...
 
I called the Ackbarring, "spouting gibberish"  to my wife.  She explained that if you say it 3 times right before you snuff it, you get into Paradise.  Goes to explain all the gibbering in any of their videos where it seems to be a contest on who can say it the most and fastest...
 
FBI Statement on Incident at Flint's Bishop International Airport

This morning, law enforcement officers from a number of organizations, including the FBI’s office in Flint, Michigan, responded to Flint’s Bishop International Airport after receiving the report of a stabbing of an airport police officer who is presently considered to be in stable condition.

The suspect was taken into custody at the airport and is currently being questioned by law enforcement officers.

The FBI, with our local, state, and federal law enforcement partners, is jointly investigating this incident to determine the nature and motive for the attack. We are aware of reports that the attacker made statements immediately prior to or while attacking the officer, but it is too early to determine the nature of these alleged statements or whether or not this was an act of terrorism.

Based on the information that we have at this time, we believe this to be an isolated incident. We currently have no specific, credible information that there is a threat to the Flint community.

If you have any information about this incident, please call the FBI’s Detroit Field Office at (313) 965-2323 or submit information at tips.fbi.gov.

It must be an isolated incident. If you wanted to cause mass casualties in Flint, you'd mess with the water supply. Oh, wait.
 
US media is reporting that the guy entered the USA legally from Canada:

CNN _
The suspect, Amor Ftouhi, a 50-year-old native of Canada, ......
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FOX -
The Canadian citizen was motivated to come to the airport and conduct this act of violence out of a "hated of the United States," according to FBI Special Agent Gelios. He legally entered the U.S. at Lake Champlain in New York on June 16, and then made his way to Flint, according to Gelios.
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More Allah-ackbaring but with a happy ending.
Dummy tries to blow himself up at an airport in Brussels (aledgedly targeting soldiers) but just turns himself into a flaming marshmallow.

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/06/brussels-bomber-immigrant/
 
Jarnhamar said:
More Allah-ackbaring but with a happy ending.
Dummy tries to blow himself up at an airport in Brussels (aledgedly targeting soldiers) but just turns himself into a flaming marshmallow.

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/06/brussels-bomber-immigrant/
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Own goal!
 
Rifleman62 said:
US media is reporting that the guy entered the USA legally from Canada:

CNN _
The suspect, Amor Ftouhi, a 50-year-old native of Canada, ......
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FOX -
The Canadian citizen was motivated to come to the airport and conduct this act of violence out of a "hated of the United States," according to FBI Special Agent Gelios. He legally entered the U.S. at Lake Champlain in New York on June 16, and then made his way to Flint, according to Gelios.
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... with more initial details in the attached Complaint ... (source)
 

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