Nikola Canada said:
Yeah, because Buddhism is all about violence and child marriage...
There are Budhists out there who advocate for those things, so using her premise and your qualifiers.. they are too. But, I do not personally believe that. Just because some people in a religion advocate for certain things within that religion, does not, in any way, mean that is what that religion is about.
Well I'm glad you are such an expert on the topic, one who knows something the majority of muslims don't even know! I guess they are all just ignorant of your true understanding of their religion.
Where did I ever claim to be an expert? I am not one, but I am friends or on friendly terms with 20+ different Muslim scholars, who I argue are experts. I have the ability to contact scholars on multiple continents and many more countries, if I need to, to double check my information.
From what I can tell, her main reformational focus is against "theologically sanctioned violence" for offenses such as homosexuality, adultery, blasphemy, apostasy, as well as the scriptural justification for what we call terrorist attacks. If removing these things from Islam would make all muslims "non-muslim" in your opinion, that really speaks volumes.
In Islam, there are certain things that you have to believe in to be considered Muslim. I do believe in another post on this site I have an expanded opinion on this particular point, I suggest you go read it.
She clearly names Muslim scholars who are trying to reform Islam from within, and also clearly states that the majority of Muslims are peaceful. She just rightly points out that the theological basis for the "fundamentalists" are very much justified by the foundational materials of Islam (ie the Quran and the Hadith).
See my other posts on her, she is using verses out of context and some hadiths that I believe do not even exist to make her arguement. So yea if you only use one sentence of a paragraph or half a sentence, or one paragraph from a page etc, it becomes very easy to twist things. But, that does not make it right.
Yes, and so if they are all evil does that make it ok? Basic logical fallacy. Saying that many of the bad things within islam are also within Christianity or Judaism doesn't justify the fact that Islam sanctions bad things. In fact that's a given, since they are all Abrahamic religions and basically the same in essence.
I do believe I have never said that 'bad' things exist in Judaism, Christianity and Islam. I believe you are arguing that, I am arguing that her using isolated verses and hadiths out of context etc etc can make anything look bad, but that does not make it bad.
Based on your posts, I sincerely question the validity of your self-declared reconciliation.
Okay that is fine, but Shayk Omar Subedar, Mufti Abu Layth, Mufti Aasim Rashid, Mufti Ebrahim Desai, Shayk Atabek Shukrov, Shayk AbdurRaheem, Shayk Yasir Qadhi etc etc all hold the same view that it can be reconciled. So I hardly think they are wrong.
From what I recall, you're an ex-baptist who converted to Islam and you live in BC, Kamloops to be specific. Aren't there only like a few hundred Muslims there?
600 or so counting the students. Not entirely sure the exact number
I think there are about 80-90 thousand Muslims in all of BC. I highly doubt you have the authority to speak about a proper interpretation of Islam.
I do not and neither do you.
But who am I? Just a kid born and raised in the heart of Toronto (where there are over 425,000 Muslims), grew up in a very Muslim area (and I mean like hundreds of people walking around in niqab and thawb to and from giant mosques), went to school with mostly Muslims all my life, had many as friends and from all over the world too (mostly Pakistan, India, Somalia, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, and Iraq). Met and befriended tons of Muslims at the University of Toronto (also from all over the Muslim world, this time from UAE, Saudi, Oman, Yemen, and Jordan).
Cool. I have friends from all those areas too and more, what is the point?
I have traveled 11 American states and 3 Provinces just to talk to and meet Muslims. I did give some speeches, host dinners etc. It was in the form of Tablighi Jamat, I have posted about them before here I think.. if I haven't I can make a post about it.
I even converted at one point myself (long story). I got a Muslim name (Abdurrahman, basically the same name you got), prayed 5 times a day, studied classical and modern standard Arabic,
Cool, which style of Arabic did you study for the classical stuff? Which style of prayer did you learn?
all that jazz. But you know what, the deeper I got into it the more I realized I made a mistake.
Interesting, what Islamic texts did you study to create this opinion?
I started to realize that many of the Muslim kids I met at UofT didn't want to go back to their countries, fearing they would be killed for the things they did in university. I realized how many of them literally feared for their lives over things like being gay, doing drugs, making fun of Islamic topics such as the history of the texts and the prophet.
I think I have covered this already.. can you please go back an read it. Either in this thread or the other Islam thread. If not look up Shayk Atabek Shukrovs position on these things. He explains the position on many things from the time of the Prophet up until now in deep detail and explains the different perversions sometimes.
There were many things like that which pushed me away, but the main one was the realization that so many Islamic countries banned age of consent laws as "un-Islamic" because in Islam the age of consent is when a girl hits puberty (ie when she has her period, ie between the ages of 8-15. Some scholars even say that the first sign of puberty is when the breasts develop, which is often 2 years before a girl has her period). That was the final straw for me, and I've completely done a 180 on the topic of Islam since then.
So since you were able to allegedly find a couple nut job scholars, who are claiming some thing or another it means the whole religion is flawed? That is an extremely low burden of proof to hate an entire religion with.
I sincerely hope you do the same, and until then, I hope you're waiting a LOONG time for that medical.
So Muslims have no place.. in your version of the Canadian Armed Forces? Mind explaining yourself, I almost did not reply at all due to your tone and this comment. I am Muslim and I fully intend on joining the armed forces in Canada, I will gladly do what is asked to keep Canada free and all people welcome and respected here.
Sorry if this is not coherent, I am busy. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you are having a rough day. Grab a coffee and get back to me mate.
Abdullah