Iran Super Thread- Merged

[Voltigeur]

LOL I love that quote by the regretted General George S. Patton... It says a lot about the kind of man he was... a pure and steeled soldier. Well, this is a deep topic and I took a kind interest to read your newspaper references. Personnaly, what I retain from Irak and the whole US foreign policy in the Middle East is the following :

Of course there were no WMD
It's not to free Iraki from Saddam (They supported Saddam for a long time and they give a damn about atrocities)
Oil is one of the main reason
The main reason is  to extent to shere of influence of the USA, politically, militarilly and economically in the Middle East.
Oil is one of the major factor because it's going to be a scare resource in less than 50 years
China is on its way to become a superpower... the move in the middle East is linked to that just like this missile shield we are talking about...
The US are talking about Irak, Iran and North Korea... its just a way to talk to China saying : "I'm still running the show"
To sum, the whole show is about economic competition... Freedom is always the perfect cover
Iraki are not more important to the US than Sudanese, or other dying people are. They care about the geostrategic position and the resources.
Am I going to blame them... No! In Roman times, I would have been with Rome and today Im with the US... Who knows, maybe someday we are going to be those people that the chinese are sorry for on TV...LOL

 

[Gouki]

Voltigeur you are clearly a leftist liberal fool. Why don't you just run up and hug Osama, you freedom hating terrorist.

(joking btw).

 

[CivU]

"In Roman times, I would have been with Rome and today Im with the US"

The world is a difference place almost two thousands years later.  You can be a Canadian and not be with the US and not fear being conquered in an epic battle on the plains of Saskatchewan.  Siding with someone out of either fear of their power or an inferiority complex is a poor methodology for deriving a position on anything.  If you were surrounded by ten enemy soldiers would you merely cave and side with them out of the sheer domination they held over the situation?

 

[Voltigeur]

LOL Steve... Damn, if I am a leftist liberal, I wonder what you are... maybe green party

 

[48Highlander]

As for my own beliefs; you know what they are? Nothing. I consider this whole Iraq debacle just another American war. I don't like it, and I don't particularly believe in it or like George Bush. And that is it. Sure I follow the news and recent developments because I am curious about world events, but aside from what I stated, I don't give it anymore thought than that. I have better things to do than waste my time with politics and Republican/Democrat/Liberal/Conservative/etc bull****.

That tells me all I need to know.  You're not opposed to the war because of any logical reasoning, you're opposed to it because it's "just another American war".  So how can you expect me not to think of you as a fool?

 

[1feral1]

What was done to the Japanese cannot be 'justified'.   :skull:

What about the attrocities the Japanese committed against Allied PoWs? Australian, American, British and even Canadians. This also included civilian 'citizens'   including men, women and young children.

What about the insane brutal treatment of the Chinese and Koreans under Japanese rule, not forgetting the other Asian nations taken during their 'empire' expansion.

Even today the Japanese government fails to even acknowledge or even unofficially say 'sorry' for what they had done not so long ago.

Shame on them. So before you go smearing shyte on what your great nation accomplished to end a nasty and brutal World War, you had better take a long look at what Japan had done prior to the 6th and 9th of August 1945 even going back to the 1930s with their invasion of Manchuria.

At least the German government acknowledges their tarnished Nazi past, and has publically apologised time and time again. Now thats a humble and gallant thing to do, and something to be admired, and the first steps in the long process of forgivness.

Wes

 

[Voltigeur]

CiviU, my man... the world isn't so different than two thousand years ago... technology has improved all right but the deep human principles and vlaues are the same... Their is a lot of parallels you can make with the US and the Roman empire... Just pay attention to details and read between the lines... It's pretty the same ball game. All the US want is to maintain its superpower and economic control to PRESERVE THE WAY OF LIFE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. All the Roman empire did starting around 150 AD was to maintain its border and economic control to PRESERVE THE WAY OF LIFE OF ROMAN PEOPLE. And to answer your question, since I'm now a cop and a former Infantryman, you should know that I won't switch side out of fear... I am more American than Canadian in my way of thinking... it's just the way it is and I personnaly think it will be the time soon for a North American Federation... doyou really think that 30 milions canadians should stand up to 240 millions American when they speak the same language and share the same values... well almost the same values right Moose!

 

[CivU]

Stating that Canadians and Americans share the same values is a gross misunderstanding of the nation we live in.

 

[48Highlander]

Stating that Canadians and Americans share the same values is a gross misunderstanding of the nation we live in.

The only difference between us and the yanks is that we're more socialist, and we accept the monarchy.   Otherwise we may as well be part of the US.

If your opinion differs, you may wish to qualify it with some examples.

 

[Gouki]

That tells me all I need to know.   You're not opposed to the war because of any logical reasoning, you're opposed to it because it's "just another American war".   So how can you expect me not to think of you as a fool?

I have my own reasons - none of which I will ever care to explain to you. I don't care the slightest if you think I am a fool. The feeling is mutual, but it doesn't matter whatsoever.

I'm through discussing this with you.

 

[Voltigeur]

Well CIviU, thats your opinion and I respect it... However, you are the first who will bring your kids to McDonald, go to see an Hollywood movie and have a family life just like the normal American way... You will want to have a big car and a big house just like the American way and send your kids in a good school so they can have a good life just like the American way... You think canadian are special... that they are diferent and so on and so on... Damn, have you ever been in the States or talked to some moderate republican or open democrat... you would see there is difference in your way of thinking except the moose head in the back of your head. Its pretty much the same. Don't you forget that you all descend from the same ancestors. Most people in Canada are just the rest of some loyalists who fled the American Revolution... Mother Elizabeth don't give a damn about you since a long time ago so you should look south and take a good look at your Uncle Sam... I'm sure you'll find family traits.



To be or Not to be - WS

 

[Voltigeur]

Thanks 48Highlanders... always nice to have some Scotts warriors on my side

 

[Voltigeur]

Anyway, lets just sell Canada top the States so I can finally join the few, the good, THE MARINES
Semper Fi

 

[CivU]

Well if you want to compare American and Canadian values, look at the positions taken by numerous American states prior to the past election in voting against same sex marriage rights.  Presently seven provinces and one territory endorse these rights for same sex couples. 

 

[CivU]

"Mother Elizabeth don't give a darn about you since a long time ago so you should look south and take a good look at your Uncle Sam"

I don't remember that as part of my Canadian Forces swearing in ceremony.  Must have missed that passage...

 

[Gouki]

Unfortunately I've contributed to this .. but this thread is getting pretty far from what it was meant to be .. I was really enjoynig hearing the debate about the US and Iran and such before ... all this happened. So does anyone else have anymore to say about Iran..?

 

[Voltigeur]

Let Iran with Iranians, Irak with Irakis but let the Americans invade Canada. LOL

 

[48Highlander]

Well if you want to compare American and Canadian values, look at the positions taken by numerous American states prior to the past election in voting against same sex marriage rights.   Presently seven provinces and one territory endorse these rights for same sex couples.  

But what percentage of the people actually support it?

Canada:
Opposed:  44%
In favour:  53%

US:
Opposed:  55%
In favour:  30%

An 11% difference in opposition really isn't anything to get overly excited about.  The main difference is that only 3% of Canadians don't bother having or voicing an opinion as opposed to 23% of Americans.

How about looking at US opinions on gay "civil unions"?  Same concept, different name:

Opposed:  51%
In favour:  46%

Let's try not to make the Americans out to be homophobic hicks, eh?

 

[muskrat89]

Let's try not to make the Americans out to be homophobic hicks, eh?

Especially since some of us Canadians have lived here for a dozen or more years, and can speak from experience, as opposed to something we've heard or read somewhere...  :

 

[CivU]

"Especially since some of us Canadians have lived here for a dozen or more years, and can speak from experience, as opposed to something we've heard or read somewhere..."

What is this referring to?  I've lived in Canada more than a dozen years.  And last time I checked, reading up on things was hardly a negative means of informing yourself...