Infantry Rifle Company Wpns Dets

[Pikache]

As for the notes on the 60mm......the Rangers put out an interesting article on "getting the 60mm back into the fight." And the 60mm Mk 19 Cdn is the longest ranging weapon in the current Inf Coy arsenal (be it Mech or Light). The fact is that we fail to fully untilize it.

And train troops to use it. IIRC, Res DP2A, 60mm mortar is not taught. My course was the only one.

 

[HollywoodHitman]

rumour has it that the Eryx is on its way out of the inventory. Too much $$$ to train on it, and not as effective as other, cheaper systems currently available......Anyone heard anything similar?

TM

 

[Cooper]

The 60mm mortar in the light role it taught on BIQ both reg and reserve. I'm not sure where one learns it in the SF role.

 

[KevinB]

The DP2A IPSWQ teaches the 60mm using the bipod and C2 sight - it does not getting into (and I think it will become a huge deficiency) using it in the indirect role - due to my background - I have done it and it is tough to explain to others that yes I am indeed using my bayonet as an aiming stake for the 60 has none integral to its kit...

As soon as the Mortar skills fade (81MM) from the Inf Bn's the 60 in the bipod will just be another heavy system to carry.


FWIW the 2x C6 /PL doctrine is followed - and even in 1VP which is mechanised...

 

[devil39]

pbi:  

this is the one we are looking at right now.   Great for mech, will likely suck to hump in a dismounted role
http://www.hqmc.usmc.mil/factfile.nsf/0/9867a7c6f72a0ad08525627c006cb4ef?OpenDocument

this is the type I believe we should be looking for for a Light force that is supposed to come to fruition in the "Army of Tomorrow", note light weight, and can be converted to a .50 cal!
http://www.gdatp.com/products/lethality/xm307/xm307.htm

KevinB

Correct.   We are going to lose a lot of flexibility as we lose those old 81mm skill sets, both basic and advanced.

 

[Steel Badger]

Can someone send me a link to the new Pl org.

Sorry I am asking q's that have already been answered here,

But are the Regular Force Bns carrying 2 GPMG's per PL as an offical increase to their TOE.

 

[ArmyRick]

Personally I think we should add a second C6 to the platoons, retire the gustav and stand up large company weapons detachment to include Javelin ALAWS (if we get it) and 60mm mortars.

 

[devil39]

Personally I think we should add a second C6 to the platoons, retire the gustav and stand up large company weapons detachment to include Javelin ALAWS (if we get it) and 60mm mortars.

We've added a second C6 to the Platoons in practice and it is proposed to be doctrine.

Carl G is good to have with some of the other ammo natures, it can accomplish things Javelin will not.

Proposed new Light orbat is 146 with Pl Wpn Dets and a Coy wpns platoon.   ALAWS is proposed to be a Coy wpn.

 

[pbi]

Devil: that XM-307 is one kick -a** looking piece of kit!! We should buy it on look-cool factor alone! Cheers.

 

[HollywoodHitman]

LCF - Determines the overall combat effectiveness of a troop........Just kidding......But it helps!!!

 

[couchcommander]

What's the cost per unit of the XM307 (and for that matter the rounds, last I heard the air bursting 25MM was horrendously expensive)?

 

[Matt_Fisher]

Devil: that XM-307 is one kick -a** looking piece of kit!! We should buy it on look-cool factor alone! Cheers.

The other really sweet thing about the XM-307 is that it is designed to be converted into a .50 calibre machine gun. 

Now if you were to couple that XM-307 with a stabilized Remote Weapons Station on a LAV-III Stryker APC (not the Canadian LAV-III APC/Kodiak), you've got a very capable APC that can transport a full infantry section that has decent firepower and protection, with a reduced vehicle weight, center of gravity, visual signature, and most importantly COST.

 

[RCPalmer]

My impression of the intent for the company wpns det was to provide additional firepower for the light infantry companies (though the mech units will lilkely need ALAWS too).  I think that we are primarily looking at weapon systems that can be manpacked (with at least a limited amount of ammunition), or maybe mounted on a light vehicle if the situation allows for it.  Both the MK 19 and XM-307 seem to be highly capable systems, but the weight of the ammo needs to be a prime consideration as well, or a unit's mobility will suffer. Perhaps the .50 cal is still the best compromise (not that its exactly light either).

 

[Steel Badger]

With respect to IPC10's post:

With the "upsizing" of the COY and PL Wpns dets, had DAD thought about increasing the veh requirement for COY HQ.
The old Light INF COY COMD aide mem indicated that the Coy det had an additional LS to make the Dets "Tool Box" apporach work.

How has this been addressed in the new proposal?

In regards to the new Sup Pls in light inf coys:

Does anyone have any leads on the actual break down of the PL? HQ +3 Wpn Sect perhaps?
And are they intended to be general tasked as MOR, MG and recce or Armour Def?


As well......iare the RCR and R22ER also using 2 GPMG per PL as std?


Cheers

 

[foerestedwarrior]

For a bit of a shift in topic, what about ideas on the Direct Fire Support companies that are being tossed around for the new Light Infantry Battalion doctrine.  Any thoughts.  I liked the American use of light vehicles with a mix of TOW, M-2, and M-19 as something to build off of.

My unit has been tasked as just that for 32 CBG. We have to have one full platoon, though our funding will close to double. We have adreped, C6, .50, TOW, G-Wagons. aaaa xmas lists.

 

[bruno]

hello i think that it is a good ideal if the canadian army look into to having a company mortar section (I mean as in the americian section size. a grouping of 2 or more squads but less then a full platoon.)( yes i am an americian)the mortar section would have 2  south africian m 6 60mm mortars. it would have a section leader with a mortar computer an asst. section leader radio operater with radio to receive fire request. 2 mortar teams  with 4 men team leader, gunner, asst. gunner and ammo/sec. man.

 

[ArmyRick]

In light infantry organizations, I am very much in favor of a weapons platoon (In LAV Coy, I think the LAV fire power is good enough, the javelins they can be packed 1 per platoon in a LAV).

I would have 3 sections in the company weapons platoon if it were up to me. There would be a mortar section (2 x 60mm mortars), a missile section (2 x javelins) and a COY MG section using 2 additional C6s (Maybe eventually the XM307).

 

[bruno]

i am sorry i ran out of time on my reply as for the carl gustavs and eryx should be replace with the us navy spike missile (that is the little missile develop by the the navy for the marines and seals it is not be confused with the rafeal spiked missile ) it was develop to replace at-4 and smaw with a low cost missile for light armor, mon armored vehicles, sand bag bunkers, and improvied fight positions with 2 to an infantry section 1 rifle man with launcher and 3 reloads the other 3 men in fire team each has one reload. the section vehicle will have either/ or m242 25mm chain gun, m2 fifty cal. mg., mk19 40mm agl, or m307 25mm agl. with spike atgms or quad usn spike in a ows 25r turret or mini samson mg, agl turret. 

 

[GAP]

i am sorry i ran out of time on my reply as for the carl gustavs and eryx should be replace with the us navy spike missile (that is the little missile develop by the the navy for the marines and seals it is not be confused with the rafeal spiked missile ) it was develop to replace at-4 and smaw with a low cost missile for light armor, mon armored vehicles, sand bag bunkers, and improvied fight positions with 2 to an infantry section 1 rifle man with launcher and 3 reloads the other 3 men in fire team each has one reload. the section vehicle will have either/ or m242 25mm chain gun, m2 fifty cal. mg., mk19 40mm agl, or m307 25mm agl. with spike atgms or quad usn spike in a ows 25r turret or mini samson mg, agl turret.   

How about a little sentence structure and the odd Cap....reading this and trying to distinguish what you are trying to say is brutal....thanks.

 

[vonGarvin]

Je pense que Bruno est francophone.