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Navy Sank Wrong 'Pirate' Ship: Official

A supposed Somali pirate vessel fired upon and sunk by an Indian warship last week off the Somali coast was actually a Thai fishing trawler that had been hijacked earlier, a maritime agency said Wednesday.

http://news.aol.ca/article/navy-sank-wrong-pirate-ship-official/434730/
 
Over a hundred dead. Several hundred hostages are held at two hotels. The NSG "Black Cats" are preparing to move in. Alot of chaos. The Indian Army is moving into the city as well.

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/video_streaming.php
 
Australian news sources are saying an 24 yr old Australian woman on the first day of her 11 week holiday has been wounded in the thy while eating at a cafe, and sadly, another Australian has been MURDERED by these cowards.  The name of our citizen killed has not yet been released.

OWDU
 
daftandbarmy said:
Oops:

Navy Sank Wrong 'Pirate' Ship: Official

A supposed Somali pirate vessel fired upon and sunk by an Indian warship last week off the Somali coast was actually a Thai fishing trawler that had been hijacked earlier, a maritime agency said Wednesday.

http://news.aol.ca/article/navy-sank-wrong-pirate-ship-official/434730/

Eh, people make mistakes. Poor Thailand ha.

Eh, People make mistakes. ha

And about the Indian Navy, its to be expected.. I think the next few decades are going to show many shifts in power. Hopefully all for the best..
 
Canadians among Mumbai hostages: Indian officials
Updated Thu. Nov. 27 2008 9:27 AM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Indian officials have confirmed Canadians are among the hostages being held by suspected Islamic militants in Mumbai, India.

Co-ordinated attacks in at least 10 locations across the city left 104 people dead and more than 300 injured Wednesday night.

The Associated Press reported Thursday morning that Deputy Home Secretary Bitan Srimali confirmed Canadians, along with Americans, British, Italian, Swedes, Yemenis, New Zealanders, Spaniards, Turks, Israelis and a Singapore national were among those being held.

Neither Foreign Affairs in Ottawa nor the High Commission in Delhi have confirmed that Canadians were being held, however.

On Wednesday, Foreign Affairs said it believed no Canadians had been injured or killed in the attacks.

However, India's NDTV spoke with a travel agent who claimed that five of his Canadian clients were trapped inside the Oberoi Trident hotel. That report had not been confirmed.

Canadians concerned about relatives in the Mumbai-area can call:

Foreign Affairs hotline - in Canada: 1-613-996-8885
Foreign Affairs hotline - outside Canada: 1-800-387-3124
Meanwhile, tension and fear continued to grip Mumbai on Thursday as hostages, as well as dead bodies, began to emerge from the Oberoi Trident luxury hotel as Indian commandos worked to free captives -- many of them believed to be foreigners -- after a series of attacks on Wednesday.

Militants still appeared to be occupying the Oberai and a number of other locations in the city.

The suspected Islamic militant members of a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen staged a co-ordinated attack, with groups of armed men invading two five-star hotels, a busy restaurant popular with foreigners, a train station and Jewish centre, along with five other locations.

They appeared to be targeting foreigners, with some reports claiming the militants were seeking British and U.S. citizens.

Phil Smith, a reporter with Reuters, was outside the popular Oberoi Trident Thursday morning.

He told CTV's Canada AM that some hostages had been released and a military siege was underway -- and that there appeared to be a lot of hostages still inside the hotel.

"A group of commandos went into this hotel at about 4:30 p.m. this afternoon and it looked like they were about to start some sort of operation and that looks like it's underway right now," Smith said.

"Basically it's a series of explosions and gunfire...there's definitely something going on."

He said the sun was beginning to set in Mumbai, and it was likely that Indian authorities were attempting to have the hotel cleared before dark.

At the Taj Mahal Palace and Tower hotel, another landmark in Mumbai, explosions and exchanges of gunfire could be heard on Thursday, Smith said.

"It looks like you might have a situation there where the hostages might be out but some of the militants may still be in the hotel and the army is clearing them out. We don't know that for sure, but that's the best guess," he said.

CTV's South Asia Bureau Chief Paul Workman, reporting from Delhi, said Mumbai is used to violence, but not on this scale.

"There have been a lot of attacks in the city ...for many years. I think it will bounce back but I think the country itself is in shock that people using relatively crude weapons -- grenades and handguns -- could essentially take the whole city hostage and cause so much havoc."

He said there appears to have been no warning of the attacks, which most experts believe were carried out by a domestic terror group rather than al Qaeda operatives.

A similar group, the so-called Indian Mujahideen, has carried out its own attacks over the past year, though mostly using bombs rather than armed attackers, and not specifically against tourists, as in Wednesday's attacks, Workman said.

"Nobody seems to know very much about this group, although the feeling is that these are Indian Muslims, part of a largely radicalized section of the community," Workman said.

"Here in India there are a lot of upset and angry Muslims here, it is a minority, it feels discriminated against and that there is great economic disparity."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081127/mumbai_follow_081127/20081127?hub=TopStories

 
B.C. family mourns relative's death in Mumbai
Updated Thu. Nov. 27 2008 8:01 AM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

A B.C. family is mourning the death of a relative killed in yesterday's terrorist strikes in Mumbai, India.

Jasmine Bhurji, who has relatives in Surrey, B.C., was gunned down at a hotel where she worked as a manager. The news has devastated her family, who learned of the death from her brother in India.

Her aunt, Satinder Bhui, told CTV British Columbia that she can't believe her 21-year-old niece is dead. "We are a very close-knit family," she said.

"She must have been in pain."

Her husband, Nirbhye Bhui, told CTV's Canada AM on Thursday his daughter was extremely close to her cousin.

"They were exchanging emails almost regularly," he said, adding that family gatherings will never be the same without his niece.

"She would enliven the atmosphere wherever she was," he said.

Her family said they've been told she was one of the first ones shot by gunmen who stormed locations throughout India, including luxury hotels and a train station. At least 100 people were killed and more than 300 injured.

The Mumbai attacks have shocked Indo-Canadian communities across the country.

Hundreds of people gathered at a Toronto-area Hindu temple last night to watch for updates about the attacks and pray.

"As a Hindu, it hurts, my heart bleeds," Amar Erry, president of the Vedic Cultural Centre in Markham, Ont., told CTV Toronto.

For some, emotions of pain were mixed with feelings of anger.

"It's really disgusting to know what's going, and it's a really cowardly act on innocent people," he said. (Erry said?

"Everybody is concerned and everyone is quite angry and disgusted about this."

Canada's foreign affairs minister called the attacks "cowardly" and "savage."

"Canada strongly condemns the savage terrorist attacks in Mumbai, which have left hundreds of innocent civilians injured or killed," Lawrence Cannon said in a press release.

"These cowardly attacks are truly appalling."

Anyone concerned about relatives who may be in Mumbai may call the Foreign Affairs hotline at 1-613-996-8885. The hotline number outside Canada is 1-800-387-3124.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081127/canada_mumbai_081127/20081127?hub=TopStories

 
Canadians among hostages in Mumbai: report
Last Updated: Thursday, November 27, 2008 | 8:39 AM ET
CBC News
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A police officer stands guard after shootings at a railway station in Mumbai on Wednesday. (Reuters)

Canadians were reportedly among the hostages being held in Mumbai following the series of attacks at a number of targets across India's financial capital that have left more than 100 people dead.

Deputy Home Secretary Bitin Srimali told the Associated Press Thursday that among the foreigners held captive were Americans, Britons, Italians, Swedes, Canadians, Yemenis, New Zealanders, Spaniards, Turks, a Singaporean and Israelis.

So far, Canada's Foreign Affairs Department and the High Commission in New Delhi have not confirmed that Canadians were among the hostages.

If Canadians are looking for information on relatives in Mumbai, they can contact the Department of Foreign Affairs at 1-613-996-8885 from inside Canada or 1-800-387-3124 from other countries.

Meanwhile, some hostages have been rescued from Mumbai's Taj Mahal Palace & Tower, one of two luxury hotels stormed by gunmen in the attacks.

"People who were held up there, they have all been rescued," Maharashtra state police Chief A.N. Roy told the NDTV news channel. "But there are guests in the rooms, we don't know how many."

Commandos garbed in black rushed the Taj Mahal early Thursday as the sound of gunshots reverberated through the area.

It was unclear if all hostages had been freed from the hotel. Gunfire and explosions could be heard from inside the building. Flames were also spotted billowing outside a window.

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A gunman is seen with a rifle outside the Chatrapati Shivaj Terminal railway station in Mumbai. (Maharahstra Times/Associated Press)

More than 100 people were reportedly still trapped inside their rooms. Ambulances were seen driving up to the entrance of the hotel, and journalists were made to move even farther back from the area.

Soldiers outside the hotel said Indian security forces have been moving slowly, from room to room, looking for gunmen and booby traps. In the afternoon, bodies and hostages were taken out of the building.

At the nearby Trident/Oberoi Hotel, at least 20 to 30 people were still apparently being held hostage, according to a senior India Home Ministry official.

M.L. Kumawat, special secretary for internal security at the Home Ministry, said that the 21st to the eighth floors in the Oberoi had been cleared by security agencies.

Police were later seen escorting several hostages out of the hotel.

One of the self-proclaimed gunmen earlier told India TV that seven attackers were holding hostages inside the Oberoi.

"We want all Mujahedeens held in India released, and only after that, we will release the people," a man identified as Sahadullah told India TV.

"Release all the Mujahedeens, and Muslims living in India should not be troubled."

4 militants killed, up to 9 arrested

At least 104 people were killed and 314 injured in the attacks, a senior official at the Maharashtra state Home Ministry, Pradeep Indulkar, said Thursday morning. An organization calling itself Deccan Mujahedeen claimed responsibility for the attacks.

Most of the dead were Indian nationals. Fourteen police officers, including the chief of the anti-terror squad, along with six foreigners, were also killed.

Police said they had shot dead four gunmen and arrested nine suspects.

Multiple locations across the city, including a packed train station, a popular tourist restaurant and a hospital, were targeted in a series of bloody rifle and grenade attacks.

Gunmen also laid siege to the headquarters of the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch. Around 10:30 a.m., a woman, a child and an Indian cook were seen being led out of the building by police, said one witness

"The well-planned and well-orchestrated attacks, probably with external linkages, were intended to create a sense of panic, by choosing high profile targets and indiscriminately killing foreigners," Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said in a television address.

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Sharda Janardhan Chitikar, left, is consoled by a relative as she grieves the death of her two children as she waits for their bodies outside St. Georges Hospital in Mumbai on Thursday. (Gurinder Osan/Associated Press)

'They just fired randomly'
Americans and Britons appeared to be the target of the hotel attacks, witnesses have said. Most of the people killed, however, died in the attack on Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus train station as gunmen fired indiscriminately on waiting passengers.

One witness who watched as four young men dressed in black T-shirts and jeans and carrying rifles began shooting indiscriminately into the station's crowd trembled as he recounted the scene Thursday morning.

"They just fired randomly at people and then ran away. In seconds, people fell to the ground," Nasim Inam said between sobs, noting the attackers looked no older than 25.

"They were so young. They were young boys," said Inam. "I was standing behind. I was just behind. If they had turned around, it would have been me."

In similar attacks several kilometres away, gunmen disguised in police uniforms and driving a hijacked police van opened fire on crowds gathered around two hospitals.

"We felt the ground shake and heard the explosions," said Manish Tripathi, who escaped that attack unhurt.

"We heard a car speed up behind us. It was a police van, but the men inside were firing at us."

As the gunmen unleashed a hail of bullets into the crowd, "men were screaming that they had lost their fingers. There was blood all over," he said.

"Some were shot in the leg, some on the shoulder or hand. I feel they are still screaming."

Pakistan condemns attacks
Officials in neighbouring Pakistan also condemned the attacks and reaffirmed their disdain for the work of terrorists.

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Police officers inspect a car after they shot dead two suspected gunmen in Mumbai late Wednesday night. (Associated Press)

"Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, while strongly condemning the incidents of violence in Mumbai, has expressed deep sorrow over the loss of precious lives," the Pakistani government said in a statement.

India has previously accused elements in Pakistan of supporting Islamist militants battling Indian forces in the disputed Kashmir region and of complicity in bomb attacks elsewhere in India.

Mumbai, a sprawling city of 18 million inhabitants, has been repeatedly targeted by attacks blamed on Muslim militants and underworld figures since 1993.

The most recent attacks prior to Wednesday occurred in July 2006, when a series of co-ordinated bomb blasts on commuter trains during the city's morning rush hour killed nearly 190 people and injured more than 700.
 
CANADA CONDEMNS COWARDLY ATTACKS IN MUMBAI
27 November 2008
Ottawa, Ontario


Prime Minister Stephen Harper issued the following statement today:

"Canada condemns in the strongest terms the despicable and cowardly attacks in Mumbai, India. On behalf of all Canadians, I wish to express our deep and profound sympathy and condolences to the families and loved ones of those killed and injured by these heinous acts of violence, including many in Canada. These attacks targeted people from India and around the world. They were attacks on values we hold dear, and we share your loss.

As a fellow democracy, Canada stands firmly with the Government and people of India in your fight against terror and as you face with resolve one of the darkest times a country can ever experience. We offer our support as you work to restore order and bring to justice those responsible for these cowardly attacks against innocent people.

The Government of Canada is working closely with Indian authorities to find and assist any Canadians and their families who might be affected by these attacks. Our consular staff in Ottawa and on the ground in Mumbai are working tirelessly to this end."


 
My condolences for the families of those involved and my best wishes for a safe return of those being held.

May this attack put more resolve into our efforts against those who use Terror as a Wpn. (as I wrote this, asked myself how else can you use terror, feeling it is part of our emotions, using it against others though............)
 
The response by the Mumbai city government,state and national governments has been Katrina like. Their crisis management was non existant. Lots of lessons learned here.
 
tomahawk6 said:
The response by the Mumbai city government,state and national governments has been Katrina like. Their crisis management was non existant. Lots of lessons learned here.

Though it is still early in the analysis. There is allot to be said for " those who fail to plan, plan to fail"
 
Yeah, I heard a pundit this morning say that each level of government has its own security/intelligence body with no central coordination.  If so, I imagine that will soon change.
 
Shec said:
Yeah, I heard a pundit this morning say that each level of government has its own security/intelligence body with no central coordination.  If so, I imagine that will soon change.

Someone refresh my memory here, wasn't this one of the same problems identified in the USA after 9/11?

Condolences to all families that have lost a member and I hope for the best for the remaining hostages.
 
Find those responsible, then bill them and their families for absolutely EVERYTHING. The clean up, the repairs, the funerals, compensation for families, medical bills, court expenses, prison expenses. EVERYTHING. When they have been financially ruined forever, they should spend the rest of their lives in jail. Strip their family names from history. They no longer exist.
 
And the Indians suddenly respond HARD by sending troops to raid the hotels to rescue the hostages.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081127/ap_on_re_as/as_india_shooting

MUMBAI, India – A state official says the siege has ended Mumbai's Taj Mahal hotel and the last three gunmen there have been killed.

An official with the Maharashtra state home department, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, said there were no further details.

A state official also said eight hostages have been freed from the Mumbai headquarters of Jewish outreach group.
At least 119 people were killed and 288 injured when suspected Islamic militants attacked 10 sites in Mumbai.

Black-clad Indian commandoes raided two luxury hotels to try to free hostages Thursday, and explosions and gunshots shook India's financial capital a day after the attacks.

About 10 to 12 gunmen remained holed up inside the hotels and a Jewish center, a top Indian general said. The remaining gunmen appeared to have been killed or captured, Maj. Gen. R.K. Hooda told New Delhi Television.

Authorities said 119 people died and 288 were injured when suspected Islamic militants — armed with assault rifles, hand grenades and explosives — launched a highly coordinated attack against 10 sites in the city Wednesday night.

Officials said eight militants were also killed.

Dozens of people were being held hostage at the hotels, as well as a nearby Jewish center, by the well-trained and heavily armed gunmen, authorities said.

While hostages trickled out of the hotels throughout the day, witnesses said many bodies remained inside and the two-day siege showed few signs of ending quickly. Several bodies were carried out of the five-star Taj Mahal Palace and Tower hotel.

The attackers had specifically targeted Britons and Americans inside the hotels, witnesses said.

Dozens of people were also apparently still hiding in their hotel rooms, terrified by occasional bursts of gunfire and explosions, as well as fires burning in parts of both hotels, and waiting for authorities to get them to safety.

After dusk Thursday, police brought hostages out of the Oberoi, one of the city's best-known five-star hotels.

One man, a who identified himself as a Pole but did not give his name, told reporters he had seen many bodies inside, but refused to give more details, saying he had promised police not to discuss details of the rescue operation.

The Maharashtra state home ministry said 84 people had been freed from the Oberoi — 60 of them hostages — and dozens more were still trapped inside.

Police said they were going slowly to protect the captives.

A previously unknown Islamic militant group claimed responsibility for the carnage, the latest in a series of terror attacks over the past three years that have dented India's image as an industrious nation galloping toward prosperity.

Among the dead were at least four Australian and a Japanese national, according to the state home ministry. An Italian, a Briton and a German were also killed, according to their foreign ministries.

The most high-profile target was the Taj Mahal hotel, a landmark of Mumbai luxury since 1903, and a favorite watering hole of the city's elite.

Police loudspeakers declared a curfew around the hotel Thursday afternoon, and commandos ran into the building as fresh gunshots rang out from the area. Into the night, brief exchanges of gunfire and explosions could be heard coming from the building.

The attackers, dressed in black shirts and jeans, stormed into the hotel about 9:45 p.m. Wednesday and opened fire indiscriminately.

Dalbir Bains, who runs a lingerie shop in Mumbai, was about to eat a steak by the hotel pool when she heard gunfire. She ran upstairs, taking refuge in the Sea Lounge restaurant with about 50 other people.

They huddled beneath tables in the dark, trying to remain silent as explosions went off.

"We were trying not to draw attention to ourselves," she said. The group managed to escape before dawn.

The gunmen also seized the Mumbai headquarters of the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch. Around 10:30 a.m., a woman, a child and an Indian cook were seen being led out of the building by police, said one witness.

Chabad spokesman Moni Ender in Israel said there were eight Israelis inside the house, including Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg and his wife.

Among those foreigners still held captive in all three buildings were Americans, British, Italians, Swedes, Canadians, Yemenis, New Zealanders, Spaniards, Turks, French, Israelis and a Singaporean.

At least three top Indian police officers — including the chief of the anti-terror squad — were among those killed, said Roy.

The United States and Pakistan were among the countries that condemned the attacks.

In Washington, President George W. Bush offered Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh "support and assistance" as he works to restore order in the populous and growing Southwest Asian nation, according to White House press secretary Dana Perino.

The motive for the onslaught was not immediately clear, but Mumbai has frequently been targeted in terrorist attacks blamed on Islamic extremists, including a series of bombings in July 2006 that killed 187 people.

An Indian media report said a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen claimed responsibility for the attacks in e-mails to several media outlets. There was no way to verify that claim.

Magnus Ranstorp, a terrorism specialist with the Swedish National Defense College, said there are "very strong suspicions" that the coordinated Mumbai attacks have a link to al-Qaida.

He said the fact that Britons and Americans were singled out is one indicator, along with the coordinated style of the attacks.

India's prime minister blamed "external forces."

"The well-planned and well-orchestrated attacks, probably with external linkages, were intended to create a sense of panic, by choosing high profile targets and indiscriminately killing foreigners," Singh said in address to the nation.

Indian navy spokesman Capt. Manohar Nambiar said navy officers had boarded a cargo vessel that had recently come to Mumbai from Karachi, Pakistan. Hours later, he said nothing suspicious had been found on board and the ship had been released.

Mumbai, on the western coast of India overlooking the Arabian Sea, is home to splendid Victorian architecture built during the British Raj and is one of the most populated cities in the world with some 18 million crammed into shantytowns, high rises and crumbling mansions.

Among the other places attacked was the 19th century Chhatrapati Shivaji railroad station — a beautiful example of Victorian Gothic architecture — where gunmen sprayed bullets into the crowded terminal, leaving the floor splattered with blood.

"They just fired randomly at people and then ran away. In seconds, people fell to the ground," said Nasim Inam, a witness.

Other gunmen attacked Leopold's restaurant, a landmark popular with foreigners, and the police headquarters in southern Mumbai, the area where most of the attacks took place. Gunmen also attacked Cama and Albless Hospital and G.T. Hospital.

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Associated Press writers Ramola Talwar Badam, Erika Kinetz and Jenny Barchfield in Mumbai, Raphael G. Satter in London and Cristian Salazar in New York contributed to this report.
 
A geopoltical analysis on possible ramifications of the crisis in Mumbai:

Red Alert: Possible Geopolitical Consequences of the Mumbai Attacks  From STRATFOR (Open Access)
November 27, 2008 0434 GMT    http://www.stratfor.com/

Summary
If the Nov. 26 attacks in Mumbai were carried out by Islamist militants as it appears, the Indian government will have little choice, politically speaking, but to blame them on Pakistan. That will in turn spark a crisis between the two nuclear rivals that will draw the United States into the fray.

Analysis
Militant Attacks In Mumbai and Their Consequences

At this point the situation on the ground in Mumbai remains unclear following the militant attacks of Nov. 26. But in order to understand the geopolitical significance of what is going on, it is necessary to begin looking beyond this event at what will follow. Though the situation is still in motion, the likely consequences of the attack are less murky.

We will begin by assuming that the attackers are Islamist militant groups operating in India, possibly with some level of outside support from Pakistan. We can also see quite clearly that this was a carefully planned, well-executed attack.

Given this, the Indian government has two choices. First, it can simply say that the perpetrators are a domestic group. In that case, it will be held accountable for a failure of enormous proportions in security and law enforcement. It will be charged with being unable to protect the public. On the other hand, it can link the attack to an outside power: Pakistan. In that case it can hold a nation-state responsible for the attack, and can use the crisis atmosphere to strengthen the government’s internal position by invoking nationalism. Politically this is a much preferable outcome for the Indian government, and so it is the most likely course of action. This is not to say that there are no outside powers involved — simply that, regardless of the ground truth, the Indian government will claim there were.

That, in turn, will plunge India and Pakistan into the worst crisis they have had since 2002. If the Pakistanis are understood to be responsible for the attack, then the Indians must hold them responsible, and that means they will have to take action in retaliation — otherwise, the Indian government’s domestic credibility will plunge. The shape of the crisis, then, will consist of demands that the Pakistanis take immediate steps to suppress Islamist radicals across the board, but particularly in Kashmir. New Delhi will demand that this action be immediate and public. This demand will come parallel to U.S. demands for the same actions, and threats by incoming U.S. President Barack Obama to force greater cooperation from Pakistan.

If that happens, Pakistan will find itself in a nutcracker. On the one side, the Indians will be threatening action — deliberately vague but menacing — along with the Americans. This will be even more intense if it turns out, as currently seems likely, that Americans and Europeans were being held hostage (or worse) in the two hotels that were attacked. If the attacks are traced to Pakistan, American demands will escalate well in advance of inauguration day.

There is a precedent for this. In 2002 there was an attack on the Indian parliament in Mumbai by Islamist militants linked to Pakistan. A near-nuclear confrontation took place between India and Pakistan, in which the United States brokered a stand-down in return for intensified Pakistani pressure on the Islamists. The crisis helped redefine the Pakistani position on Islamist radicals in Pakistan.

In the current iteration, the demands will be even more intense. The Indians and Americans will have a joint interest in forcing the Pakistani government to act decisively and immediately. The Pakistani government has warned that such pressure could destabilize Pakistan. The Indians will not be in a position to moderate their position, and the Americans will see the situation as an opportunity to extract major concessions. Thus the crisis will directly intersect U.S. and NATO operations in Afghanistan.

It is not clear the degree to which the Pakistani government can control the situation. But the Indians will have no choice but to be assertive, and the United States will move along the same line. Whether it is the current government in India that reacts, or one that succeeds doesn’t matter. Either way, India is under enormous pressure to respond. Therefore the events point to a serious crisis not simply between Pakistan and India, but within Pakistan as well, with the government caught between foreign powers and domestic realities. Given the circumstances, massive destabilization is possible — never a good thing with a nuclear power.

This is thinking far ahead of the curve, and is based on an assumption of the truth of something we don’t know for certain yet, which is that the attackers were Muslims and that the Pakistanis will not be able to demonstrate categorically that they weren’t involved. Since we suspect they were Muslims, and since we doubt the Pakistanis can be categorical and convincing enough to thwart Indian demands, we suspect that we will be deep into a crisis within the next few days, very shortly after the situation on the ground clarifies itself.

 
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India's National Security Guard commandos take positions from an adjoining building of Nariman Bhawan, where suspected militants have taken hostage Jewish families, at Colaba, Mumbai, India, Thursday, Nov. 27, 2008.

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Indian Rapid Action Force (RAF) personnel sit on the staircase of the Air India building near The Trident Hotel in Mumbai.

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An Indian soldier takes position outside Nariman House in Mumbai. India's premier said those behind coordinated attacks against Mumbai were based "outside the country" and warned "neighbours" who provide a haven to anti-India militants.
(AFP/Sajjad Hussain)



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A terrorist gunman walks at the Chatrapathi Sivaji Terminal railway station in Mumbai, India, Wednesday, Nov. 26, 2008.
 
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Hemant Karkare, chief of the police anti-terrorist squad in Mumbai, speaks on a mobile phone at a temple in Mumbai July 17, 2007. Karkare was killed during attacks in the financial hub on November 26, 2008, Indian television channels reported.

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Army personnel take position at the Gateway of India that stands in front of Taj Hotel in Mumbai November 27, 2008.
REUTERS/Arko Datta (INDIA)


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National Security Guard (NSG) commandos carry bomb-defusing equipment near the Taj hotel in Mumbai November 27, 2008.
REUTERS/Stringer (INDIA)


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An Indian army sniper climbs up scaffolding near The Taj Mahal Hotel in Mumbai on November 27.
(AFP/Indranil Mukherjee)


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Indian Central Reserve Police Force soliders patrol outside Nariman House, the scene of one of a string of coordinated attacks in Mumbai on November 27, 2008. Prime Minister Gordon Brown has condemned the attacks in Mumbai that have killed more than 100 people as "outrageous".
(AFP/Sajjad Hussain)
 
Mumbai has been the focus of several islamist attacks including an attack on the rail station and the locals didnt see any improved reaction by the security forces. Basically if it hadnt happened before there wasnt a plan.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Terrorists_may_have_hijacked_Porbander_fishing_boat/articleshow/3766632.cms

AHMEDABAD: A fishing trawler that went missing on November 14 may have carried the terrorists to Colaba coast to hold Mumbai hostage on Wednesday, 
police sources told TOI.

This boat - Kuber - belongs to a fisherman from Porbander, Vinod Masani, who has been detained by Porbander police for interrogation. Indian Coast Guard spotted the boat with the body of captain Amarsing Naran, 30, in it. Four crew from Navsari and Junagadh districts are still missing. The Coast Guard is also looking for another missing boat which could have been used by terrorists.

It is suspected that this trawler was captured by the terrorists on high seas to be used as their transport vehicle to reach Gateway of India from Karachi port.

Sources in Porbander confirmed that the boat was traced by a Chetak helicopter of Mumbai Coast Guard some 20 nautical miles off Porbander.

This boat had set sail for Jakhau in Kutch near India-Pakistan border for fishing on November 14. Usually these boats return from fishing within 10 days but this one did not. The fisheries department was alerted about this on November 24. Kuber, with a 118 HP marine engine, had five crew members on board. It has a maximum speed of seven to eight nautical miles per hour. The boat is 45x15x11 feet in size and costs Rs 30 lakh. It can carry up to 20 tonnes.

Porbander district headquarters' Coast Guard is interrogating Vinod Masani and his brother Hiralal, who has the power of attorney for the boat. It is also suspected that the Pakistan Marine Agency helped the terrorists hijack the trawler. The missing crew include Balwant Prabhu, 45, Mukesh Rathod, 20, and Natu Nanu, 20, of Navsari and Ramesh Nagji, 37, of Junagadh.

Porbander SP Dipankar Trivedi said, "We are in the process of interrogating some people.'' The suspicion is that terrorists used the trawler to reach Mumbai's marine borders and then used two inflatable boats to reach Colaba.

Junagadh IG I M Desai said, "We have no confirmed information, but know about a fishing boat from Porbander that was missing.''

A massive manhunt was launched off the Mumbai coast on Wednesday by Coast Guard, Navy, marine wing of Mumbai Police and Customs after it became  evident that most, if not all, of the terrorists had arrived in the city through sea route.

Coast Guard's IG (Western Region) Rajendra Singh said three helicopters, two Dorniers, three large ships, two smaller vessels were involved in the search operation.

About eight terrorists came in from the sea off Badhwar Park in Colaba in geminicraft (inflatable boat) with a 20-HP engine around 9pm on Wednesday. A police officer of the Cuffe Parade police station said fishermen near the jetty got suspicious as they deserted the boat and headed towards the road. "When the fishermen stopped them, they said, ‘ humko tension hai ’ and pointed their weapons,'' said the police officer.

Another officer of the Cuffe Parade police station said, "The fishermen told us they were about 10-12 men. They split into two groups. While one group went towards CST and other towards Colaba. The engine and chasiss number of the Yamaha motor engine used for the boat has been scrapped, so as to make it difficult to trace the place of purchase.''

A retired IPS officer said the fishermen had also called the police, but they came late. An official said boats deserted by terrorists have been found in Colaba and off Chowpatty.

Meanwhile, a merchant vessel, MV Alpha, suspected to have ferried the terrorists, was intercepted on the high seas by Navy and Coast Guard warships on Thursday evening. Though some reports said the Vietnamese-registered MV Alpha had been given the "clean chit'', a senior Naval officer told TOI the ship was still being investigated after it was boarded by naval and Coast Guard personnel on the high seas off Gujarat's coast. "A probe will take some time. The vessel's crew and manifest are being checked,'' he said.

Earlier, launching a surveillance with warships, Dornier aircraft and copters, armed forces began a hunt for "a mother ship'' which could have carried the perpetrators of the terror strikes since three inflatable Zodiac gemini boats were found abandoned at the dock near the Gateway of India.

"MV Alpha, which came to Mumbai from Saudi Arabia on November 19 and left on Wednesday night, was found to be suspicious. It had sailed around 50 nautical miles away Mumbai by 7 am on Thursday,'' said an officer.

A naval Veer-class guided missile corvette INS Vipul and a Coast Guard T-81 fast-attack craft were soon launched, along with two Dornier medium-range maritime reconnaissance aircraft, to track and intercept MV Alpha.

Simultaneously, a Leander-class frigate INS Vindhyagiri was also diverted from its routine patrol at sea to hunt for the merchant vessel. Moreover, the IAF scrambled maritime-strike Jaguar fighters from Jamnagar to patrol the region. All this activity came amid indications that the aim was to block any attempt by a "suspect'' ship to reach Pakistan.

"Ten Army columns (around 1,000 soldiers) and four units of marine commandos were deployed in and around the Taj Mahal and Trident hotels. An aerial and land surveillance at the approaches to the Mumbai harbour was also conducted, with antecedents of all vessels in and around the region being checked,'' said an official.

 
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