High Speed Train Coming?-split from boosting Canada’s military spending"

[Czech_pivo]

This is where any possible new defense money has been allocated - a desperate legacy that Trudeau is trying to build for himself before he shuffles off to his newest teaching assignment.

Canada is getting high-speed rail

The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today announced that Canada is developing a high-speed rail network in the Toronto-Quebec City corridor.

www.pm.gc.ca

 

[Kirkhill]

This is where any possible new defense money has been allocated - a desperate legacy that Trudeau is trying to build for himself before he shuffles off to his newest teaching assignment.

Canada is getting high-speed rail

The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today announced that Canada is developing a high-speed rail network in the Toronto-Quebec City corridor.

www.pm.gc.ca

Another gimme for his SNC Lavalin donors. 4 BCAD over 6 years for engineering.

Nice work if you can get it.
Slush fund for the Liberals.
Betting that they will be back in power in 6 years.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

This is where any possible new defense money has been allocated - a desperate legacy that Trudeau is trying to build for himself before he shuffles off to his newest teaching assignment.

Canada is getting high-speed rail

The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today announced that Canada is developing a high-speed rail network in the Toronto-Quebec City corridor.

www.pm.gc.ca

It's not even High-Speed Rail, it's High-Frequency Rail. There is a subtle but important distinction

 

[PrairieFella]

It's not even High-Speed Rail, it's High-Frequency Rail. There is a subtle but important distinction

This is HSR. It's being reported as 300kmh which is firmly high speed.

 

[Czech_pivo]

This is HSR. It's being reported as 300kmh which is firmly high speed.

I'm sure that the first 30mins leaving the GTA that the train will barely crack the existing top speed of a GO Train.

 

[lenaitch]

This is HSR. It's being reported as 300kmh which is firmly high speed.

Yup. It started out as HFR between Montreal and Toronto using the abandoned Ontario & Quebec (CP) ROW between Perth and Peterborough for much of the alignment , but has scope-crept into HSR between Quebec City and Windsor. HSR changes pretty much all the rules about alighments, grades, curves, etc. I doubt many of us on here will live to see it, even if it does get off the ground.

I'm sure that the first 30mins leaving the GTA that the train will barely crack the existing top speed of a GO Train.

And that's not unusual for terminal points or major urban areas in any HSR system.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Yup. It started out as HFR between Montreal and Toronto using the abandoned Ontario & Quebec (CP) ROW between Perth and Peterborough for much of the alignment , but has scope-crept into HSR between Quebec City and Windsor. HSR changes pretty much all the rules about alighments, grades, curves, etc. I doubt many of us on here will live to see it, even if it does get off the ground.


And that's not unusual for terminal points or major urban areas in any HSR system.

And if other passenger rail projects undertaken by our venerable Governments are any indication of how this is going to go. I wouldn't be holding my breath.

GO/Metrolinx extension is an absolute shitshow right now and so is the VIA Rail planned "improvements".

This is HSR. It's being reported as 300kmh which is firmly high speed.

I work in the railroad industry, I'll believe it when I see it

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

If you wanna know how Uber serious the Govt is about HFR/HSR, just go to the careers page:

https://carrieres-careers.hfr-tgf.ca/ca/en

Tons of positions for "Indigenous Advisors", "SharePoint developers" to capture all that massive bureaucratic churn...... oh..... I guess we need a single engineer as well

A non-serious project for a non-serious nation

 

[PPCLI Guy]

If you wanna know how Uber serious the Govt is about HFR/HSR, just go to the careers page:

https://carrieres-careers.hfr-tgf.ca/ca/en

Tons of positions for "Indigenous Advisors", "SharePoint developers" to capture all that massive bureaucratic churn...... oh..... I guess we need a single engineer as well

A non-serious project for a non-serious nation

Just applied for this

Coordinator, Strategic Policy

I am over-qualified, but interested to find out more...

 

[quadrapiper]

Another gimme for his SNC Lavalin donors. 4 BCAD over 6 years for engineering.

Nice work if you can get it.
Slush fund for the Liberals.
Betting that they will be back in power in 6 years.

Alternatively, passenger rail, freight service other than long-haul bulk, and interurban/streetcar/light rail is yet another piece of infrastructure that's been neglected for decades, just as much as defence, and that arguably should have been given funding priority over aviation* and freeways**.

*Support for air access to northern communities? Yes! Comms and nav gear? Also yes! Pure capacity increases? Maybe, perhaps, if there's a really good reason why you can't make it pay for itself and there's a compelling national interest in supporting it. Showpiece terminal? Get bent, no, never, not happening, go away.

**If the justification for a given stretch of roadworks is commuters or predictable freight flows, that's not a justification for roadworks, that's justification for rail.

 

[Kirkhill]

Alternatively, passenger rail, freight service other than long-haul bulk, and interurban/streetcar/light rail is yet another piece of infrastructure that's been neglected for decades, just as much as defence, and that arguably should have been given funding priority over aviation* and freeways**.

*Support for air access to northern communities? Yes! Comms and nav gear? Also yes! Pure capacity increases? Maybe, perhaps, if there's a really good reason why you can't make it pay for itself and there's a compelling national interest in supporting it. Showpiece terminal? Get bent, no, never, not happening, go away.

**If the justification for a given stretch of roadworks is commuters or predictable freight flows, that's not a justification for roadworks, that's justification for rail.

I'm trying to figure out who my old home town of Peterborough paid off to get a high speed terminal.

I can think of a lot of rail lines, pipe lines and ports that I would rather spend that money on than a vanity project for a dead letter of a prime minister.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Trudeau was just on the news announcing a 300 kph high speed rail between Toronto to Montreal. 3 hour trip.

Given the technological hurdles, possible Canadian contractor (SNC) and upcoming election, I doubt it'll happen before I die. Which I'm hoping is more than a decade away yet.

 

[Quirky]

Trudeau was just on the news announcing a 300 kph high speed rail between Toronto to Montreal. 3 hour trip.

Given the technological hurdles, possible Canadian contractor (SNC) and upcoming election, I doubt it'll happen before I die. Which I'm hoping is more than a decade away yet.

A monorail? Where have I seen this picture before….oh yes…

 

[Fishbone Jones]

A monorail? Where have I seen this picture before….oh yes…

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Probably truer than we want to think about.

 

[lenaitch]

I'm trying to figure out who my old home town of Peterborough paid off to get a high speed terminal.

I can think of a lot of rail lines, pipe lines and ports that I would rather spend that money on than a vanity project for a dead letter of a prime minister.

I actually haven't seen the HSR proposal - which is no longer a VIA project - but, to my understanding, it is an outgrowth from the original High Frequency Rail proposal that VIA floated. It intended to utilize much of the intact abandoned corridor from Havelock to almost Perth (west of Havelock is still operated by CPKC), then up the VIA-owned subdivision to Ottawa, then down an abandoned corridor (Alexandria subdivision??) that VIA railbanked, to near Montreal. With the high speed component, only a small portion of new ROW was felt to be needed around Sharbot Lake and a new connector at Smiths Falls. Anything east of Montreal and west of Toronto was left at 'future consideration'.

It was felt to be a saleable proposal over trying to shoehorn dedicated rail into the existing CN lakeshore corridor and certainly more saleable than a greenfield route regardless of alignment.

With high speed service, I'm guessing not a lot of the original right-of-way would be suitable (grades, curves, towns, etc.). Also, I'm not sure how they have figured out how to get through Montreal.

 

[Kirkhill]

I actually haven't seen the HSR proposal - which is no longer a VIA project - but, to my understanding, it is an outgrowth from the original High Frequency Rail proposal that VIA floated. It intended to utilize much of the intact abandoned corridor from Havelock to almost Perth (west of Havelock is still operated by CPKC), then up the VIA-owned subdivision to Ottawa, then down an abandoned corridor (Alexandria subdivision??) that VIA railbanked, to near Montreal. With the high speed component, only a small portion of new ROW was felt to be needed around Sharbot Lake and a new connector at Smiths Falls. Anything east of Montreal and west of Toronto was left at 'future consideration'.

It was felt to be a saleable proposal over trying to shoehorn dedicated rail into the existing CN lakeshore corridor and certainly more saleable than a greenfield route regardless of alignment.

With high speed service, I'm guessing not a lot of the original right-of-way would be suitable (grades, curves, towns, etc.). Also, I'm not sure how they have figured out how to get through Montreal.

That track was suitable for a Dayliner and not much more. North of Peterborough it is a mix of hard rock Shield and cedar swamps.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Trudeau was just on the news announcing a 300 kph high speed rail between Toronto to Montreal. 3 hour trip.

Given the technological hurdles, possible Canadian contractor (SNC) and upcoming election, I doubt it'll happen before I die. Which I'm hoping is more than a decade away yet.

 

[QV]

I wonder how much pipeline they could lay in lieu of that rail line? Or what Canada could get on defense?

 

[MilEME09]

I wonder how much pipeline they could lay in lieu of that rail line? Or what Canada could get on defense?

Have you stopped to think how much it would add to the economy, the economic impact of getting from Toronto to Montreal in an hour?

 

[YZT580]

With high speed service, I'm guessing not a lot of the original right-of-way would be suitable (grades, curves, towns, etc.). Also, I'm not sure how they have figured out how to get through Montreal.

Through Mirabel