Hearing (Merged) Including Hearing Tests and Hearing Categories

[PMedMoe]

Did you read this thread (or search) before you posted?

Enrollment Medical Standards

H - Hearing (Auditory Acuity)
    H1 to H4  ( H1 is standard hearing or above, H4 is poor)
    You must be H1 or H2 to be enrolled.
    For more information click here:
    http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/55464.0.html

 

[Fishbone Jones]

There's plenty of threads on the subject, including the one above, available with a simple search in the general forums. Start with the word hearing.

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[jack44]

Hi, I have applied for the marine electrician trade and did the cfat, interview and physical already, I was told I scored high on the cfat and interview but during the physical I was at the H3 level for hearing and H2 is the standard. But I have been told by many people that due to the trade I've applied for and the fact that I would be enetering as semi-skilled I would be accepted. can anyone tell me if this is true?

 

[Roy Harding]

I'm moving your thread to a different board - you'll see the notice after I've done it.

Try these links (I didn't read all of them - I just did a search on "Hearing" in the Recruiting threads and picked a few that looked likely):

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/37674/post-311436.html#msg311436

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/32508.0.html

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/64213.0.html

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/22733.0.html

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/33297.0.html

Best of luck to you.


Roy Harding
Milnet.ca Staff

 

[dustinm]

Hi, I have applied for the marine electrician trade and did the cfat, interview and physical already, I was told I scored high on the cfat and interview but during the physical I was at the H3 level for hearing and H2 is the standard. But I have been told by many people that due to the trade I've applied for and the fact that I would be enetering as semi-skilled I would be accepted. can anyone tell me if this is true?

Unfortunately in cases like this the standard party line is to say "Go see the CFRC", and for good reason. Nobody here can hazard any more than a guess as to whether they'll accept you, and we don't want to give you incorrect or fanciful information which might dash or raise your hopes unnecessarily.

It might be frustrating waiting, but it would be more frustrating trying to make decisions based on wrong information.

I wish you good luck, however!

 

[PMedMoe]

I can say one thing with relative certainty, regardless of whether you are semi-skilled or not, if you do not meet the trade standard, you will not be accepted for that particular trade.

 

[jack44]

yes that is true i guess it has been a very annoying wait to find out.  And I do meet the trades hearing standard but not the standard of enrolment, which I find kinda of confusing

 

[Eye In The Sky]

yes that is true i guess it has been a very annoying wait to find out.  And I do meet the trades hearing standard but not the standard of enrolment, which I find kinda of confusing

Yes it is confusing.  I am not Medical/Health Services, nor do I play any on TV, but I did find a few links for you.

CFP 134 - Medical Standards

Chapter 3, Para 10 covers the Common Enrolment Medical Standards stuff you are talking about.

The rest of the links are, well...self-explanatory I think.  Hope this helps some.  *Note - some of the info on the links may be dated/not current.  Annex E, for example is dated 2005 IIRC.  CFRCs will have the current data, IMO.

 

[dustinm]

And I do meet the trades hearing standard but not the standard of enrolment, which I find kinda of confusing

My best guess is that the Trade Standard exists so that injured soldiers whose hearing is damaged (for instance) beyond the level of the enrollment standard but who could otherwise perform their job effectively are able to continue to make positive contributions to the Forces.

 

[medicineman]

My best guess is that the Trade Standard exists so that injured soldiers whose hearing is damaged (for instance) beyond the level of the enrollment standard but who could otherwise perform their job effectively are able to continue to make positive contributions to the Forces.

Correct. 

MM

 

[philr1960]

Hearing selection is strange i scored well in 500 1000  3000 4000 6000 and 8000 hertz. But because i missed on right side in 2000 hertz range looks like im screwed blue and tatooed. Unless this is a temp thing due to gun shot in inclosed space then i might still have a chance.

 

[PMedMoe]

Unless this is a temp thing due to gun shot in inclosed space then i might still have a chance.

I don't even want to know......    :

But yes, it could be temporary.

 

[philr1960]

LOL sorry for not explaining gun shot was at an outdoor shooting range. Green flag was up stuck my head into shelter. Just as some moron who i guess didnt see flag or dosnt understand colors pulled trigger on m1 gerand. Due to shelter haveing 3walls sound was amplified looks like im paying for my blunder and his.

 

[asadmalik87]

I am a frequent browser of these forums and have a question with my current application, hopefully someone can advise me!

Just to summarize my current application with the CF, I applied for DEO Aerospace control Officer about 6 months ago and have successfully completed the interview and background/reference check. Right now the only thing that is holding me back from being merit listed is the hearing portion of my medical.

To be more specific about my hearing issues, I am being listed as H3, as ONE tone on my right ear is listed at 40db (as opposed to 30db which would put me at H2 hearing and clear my medical). My ENT specialist assured me that this very minor "hearing loss" will not affect me. He even offered to write a letter to the medical staff stating that my hearing would not affect my daily tasks as an Aerospace Controller, however after speaking to the RMO at the recruiting office I don't think it would help as he told me that if my hearing test does not show that i am within the H2 range that I will NOT pass the medical.

So my question is, after 6 months of the application process, I will not be merit listed because of the 10db on one tone of my right ear? has anyone had any minor issues like this in the past that were successfully appealed? What should i do?

 

[ModlrMike]

What should i do?

Move on! They're called STANDARDS for a reason.

 

[xo31@711ret]

As Mike has said...move on. I did recruiting medicals (as Mike) from 02 to 06 full time in the regs. Been doing it 'part time' since with the reserves since. Your ENT specialist / doctor may be a professional but I doubt he's ever worn a uniform or understands why the 'high' medical standard for the military. Not trying to sound like a pr**k, but if your a H3, you're a H3, no matter how 'small' or 'minor' a hearing deficit you think it is. Right now you think it's minor ( it's not for the military); what's the deficit going to be in 5 years; 1 year from now?  If an exception is made for you, what about the next person with say a 'minor' deficit of +45d on one tone in one ear? And yes, I'm no doctor or air contoller but I think a hearing deficit may be detrimental to the trade. And no, a hearing aid doesn't cut it.

 

[medicineman]

I'd have to say that a third ditto is unlucky for you, but the common enrolment standard is H2 - no if's, and's or but's.  I too have done Recruit medicals, albeit not as long as Mike or ex031, but haven't seen a successful challenge if the the audiogram was confirmed as such by the specialist, no matter what he thinks should be ok.  I'll say it again: "it's not personal, it's just business".  These are the standards, they are where we put our feet down and say "I'm sorry, but you can't do this job".  If we didn't, we'd have everyone and their great great uncles getting in when they really shouldn't.

MM

 

[TCBF]

- This is a noisy business, no matter what you do.  All of us will suffer some degree of hearing loss.  To start out as an H3 with no awareness of cause (previous industrial employment or Jethro Tull cranked up too loud on the headphones) may indicate a propensity for hearing loss. Yep - some of us are more genetically inclined to suffer hearing loss from noise than others.  Sad but true.

 

[SupersonicMax]

On the other hand, I don't believe the audiogram is the best way to test someone's hearing... 

I always have (audio) hallucinations in there....

 

[armyvern]

On the other hand, I don't believe the audiogram is the best way to test someone's hearing... 

I always have (audio) hallucinations in there....

Obviously, you're special.