You are now saying that they want a return to the "
GOOD old days" because they've said that the RSM sat at the right hand of Gawd etc??
Roy has posted the exact opposite quite frankly ... that the change is for the better, but that not all the "old" ways of doing business need to go out the window.
I am sick top death of young ones in the CF these days reverting to "dinosaur" and "old timer" comments every time someone who happens to have some TI states that times have changed, and that the paying of courtesy used to be better than it is now, etc etc. That means they want to see a disciplined and professional acting force -- it doesn't mean that they condone shit, abuse, and fear. Rather, quite the opposite in my case. If YOU earn it (shit) -- you'll get it, and it works the very same way for 'rewards.' I'm actually quite fair about that.
Sadly ... that's a fact. It has nothing to do with being Mean Old Timers and pining for yesteryear -- it's about enforcing BASIC discipline, which -- whether one likes it or not -- is
still what makes or breaks a soldier in the combat enviornment.
NO ONE in this thread has hinted that we go back to the old days of unwarranted shit & abuse. No one. Nor have they inferred it. And I'm sick and tired of the young 'uns rallying the call of "old timers" and "times have changed" whenever anyone asks why rules and regulations that STILL exist are not being enforced, especially ones so basic and easy to accomplish and uphold as saluting. What seems to be the problem?
There is ZERO wrong with the rules regarding the paying of compliments to one's Commission, so why is there such a call as to throw out the "this is the new CF" label and "times have changed" arguement?
I could see that arguement if we were calling for a return to blanket parties (and if you look really close at this VERY thread --- you'll find those Old timers you've mentioned above expressly said NO to that), but that's not what's happening here. We are asking what is so gawd-damned difficult with todays soldiers saluting a CO when they walk by or at least getting their feet off the damned desk when he walks into their office (even on civvie street one would be FIRED for an act like this -- and this IS the CF where discipline is tantamount to success)? And, as of yet -- despite their protestations of this being the "new CF" -- not a single young 'un has posted a satisfactory answer to that question. Not a one.
Oh, BTW -- did you miss this?
I can't speak for everyone, but what I met from my posts was not that I am deathly afraid of my superiors, only that sometimes they can make me a bit nervous, which makes me stand straighter and salute sharper. I don't think the CF operates on a culture of fear.
Nor do I operate on a culture of fear. If I earn my extras -- I do them. Just like my troops do. There's nothing wrong with that. And that's not "scared fearless". :