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Blank rounds do this much.mcnutt_p said:... if it can train someone with basic tactics, and how to operate as a team . . .
Blank rounds do this much.mcnutt_p said:... if it can train someone with basic tactics, and how to operate as a team . . .
downinOZ said:MILES gear is a GI-NORMOUS logisitics exercise in just getting the stuff to the area, onto the people, calibrated, etc... and, IMO, not worth the effort for a two day ex.
MCG said:Blank rounds do this much.
Bomber said:no more just running up to a machine gunner and firing your couple of rounds, being declared the victor, and then taking over the captured machine gun.
â Å“The exercise had to do with house clearing â †you kick the door open and fire,â ? Mr. Lemay said.
Known under the trade name Simunition, the 5.56-calibre soft bullets are manufactured by SNC Technologies Inc.
392 said:I'm surprised no one picked up on this yet - Simunition is not 5.56, it's 9mm - hence why you have to use their upper receiver and magazines when simunition is in play.
392 said:This is NOT how you do house clearing in this day and age. As I'm sure the Op Apollo / OP Athena pers who have done raids and US pers on this board with operational experience in Iraq can attest, there are friendlies or non combatants in the buildings that are being searched or "cleared", and indiscriminate firing after "kicking" open the door can turn a so so day into a really bad one.
392 said:As far as no simunition kits available, I call BS. If 2CER can get sim kits for a troop level (platoon) exercise, then I'm sure a reserve CBG could have gotten them as well for workups to a larger multinational ex. Besides, helos are hard are not the easiest to get, so if LFAA deemed those important enough for the execution of the "mission", why not deem simunition kits as important? Sounds like the ball got dropped somewhere along the line.
devil39 said:Simunition is available in both calibres.
Michael O'Leary said:Considering the readiness of many on the boards to emphasize the importance of maintaining 'war-fighting' skills vice those variants used in peace support ops; there's nothing wrong with a little old school door kicking and house clearing. It's in mission preparation and rehearsals that troops will have confirmed to them threat levels and permissive behaviour.
devil39 said:Simunition is available in both calibres.
Michael O'Leary said:Rather then criticizing without supporting facts, perhaps you should admire how efficient the reserve unit's training capability is to organize not only these supporting activities but the annual exercise to Fort Pickett (which had IIRC 350 Canadian participants and nearly as many US participants this year) within its existing budget. Don't fall into the trap of accepting the media's negative spin, they also failed to identify and emphasize the unique accomplishments of this annual training endeavour.
purple peguin said:It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt... Then its a sport ;D .
392 said:With or without supporting facts, the fact is they still trained without the proper equipment. I am sorry if that doesn't make an ounce of difference to you, but it does to me. Too often I have seen the "let's make do with what we have" attitude with notional or improper equipment for the job. I am of the belief that if you're gonna do it, do it right or don't do it at all. I am sorry, but paintballing (regardless of location, tactics, etc.) IS NOT the same as training with the proper equipment.
mcnutt_p said:... if it can train someone with basic tactics, and how to operate as a team . . .
MCG said:Blank rounds do this much.
mcnutt,mcnutt_p said:"Maj. Chris Lemay also said the 150 soldiers who participated, most of them reservists, could have used blanks in their C-7 rifles but the operation would have been less realistic because blanks give no indication whether a target has been hit.
The exercise had to do with house clearing you kick the door open and fire, Mr. Lemay said.
With blanks, you're not sure you're doing the right thing because you don't know if you hit your enemy.
I understand what you are saying, about blank round, as we used them in Meaford and they worked. Alright they couldn't get Simunition or MILES gear.
I think that was the whole point of using paintball, yes it is not effective, but it was at the time, what they needed. At least the were not using airsoft.