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I’m sure an “abduly86” will come soon…
Hamas invaded Israel 2023
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Troll farm refresh.
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I'm not denying that abduly was known for "rolling hand grenades", but he did engage 'sometimes', and while no one here (myself included) shared his position on these matters, he nonetheless provided a much needed alternative perspective on the situation. While I'm not saying this removal was "a mistake", I think him being removed will increase the likelihood of this thread becoming nothing more than an echo chamber.
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Oh you're leaving too?
Quirky
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There are plenty of other forums, you’re free to leave.
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There's plenty of folks here who disagree with Israel's actions, support for Ukraine, etc and debate with good faith. The moderation staff has access to much more information on users and his account didn't pass the smell test. He was given plenty of rope privately and coached on forum behaviour. Quite honestly he's lucky he was allowed back after threatening to dox forum users.
Even Soldier35 actively debated despite being a likely Russian state sponsored troll, Abduly did not. We should have never needed to move it to the political area, but Abduly caused that so we could apply the politics thread rules.
You're more than welcome to take a stand and not make it an echo chamber. I'd suggest that perhaps the only reason it could become an echo chamber because a majority support the opposite side of the issue from Abduly, not because we're banning dissenters. Ifyou want a real echo chamber, head over to r/CanadianForces.
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Deal. I will now play devil's advocate in this thread.
Colin Parkinson
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No virgins for you then, Allah Snackbar!
FJAG
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Now we’ll have more time to discuss toques, gloves and Army PRes restructure.
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Yea, but most of the people that poked the bear are now dead. What's left of Hamas is in tatters; it's no longer a consolidated enemy. The IDF is no longer even fighting an insurgency, they're fighting against a hydra of ragtag clusters of Hamas. The distinction between a Hamas fighter, a Hamas supporter, and a pure civilian is growing thinner and thinner. Every time they bomb and kill a Hamas fighter, they kill or injure a non-combatant, and create a half dozen more Hamas converts in the process. Israel isn't fighting this war smartly any more. Bombing a school full of civilians to get a senior member of Hamas while claiming you are working toward a cease fire is inhuman and insane.
They are the bear that got poked, for sure, but it turns out that bear is sentient and highly intelligent, and it's chosen to sit on it's attacker and slowly crush it to death, bone by bone.
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I will argue that most of the current generation of Gazans are a write off in regards to peace. Most are so indoctrinated that regardless of what Israel does, they will want to attack them. In the near term enough Hamas killed will allow other players to emerge. Apparently there are 5 powerful families there, allowing them to start taking the reigns in governing and aid distribution will help stabilize the place. They will get power and money and it will be in their interest to keep the nuttery to a minimum.
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Can you blame them?
The original BDA from the strike was 20 - so I take issue with a school full of civilians narrative - we’ve seen repeated instances where Hamas just throws out BS numbers and for whatever reason media seem to drink it up.
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I will agree. Once the indoctrination begins at a young age it is very difficult to undo the programming. IF you want peace in the ME start by telling young people on BOTH sides there are alternatives. NOW.
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Interesting...
According to military assessments, Hamas operatives are struggling to remain inside tunnels as the long war drags on and are therefore increasingly moving to above-ground sites, while hiding among innocents.
The IDF also said two days ago that it had struck Hamas command and control centers in schools in the Daraj and Tuffah neighborhoods. On Monday it said the commander of Hamas’s Sheikh Radwan Battalion was killed in an airstrike at a school in Gaza City.
IDF rejects Hamas claim of over 90 dead after strike on terror operatives at Gaza school
According to military assessments, Hamas operatives are struggling to remain inside tunnels as the long war drags on and are therefore increasingly moving to above-ground sites, while hiding among innocents.
The IDF also said two days ago that it had struck Hamas command and control centers in schools in the Daraj and Tuffah neighborhoods. On Monday it said the commander of Hamas’s Sheikh Radwan Battalion was killed in an airstrike at a school in Gaza City.
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Of course they reject the narrative. Just as HAMAS embellishes their civilian casualty numbers, the IDF does as well, just in the opposite direction. Both factions need to maintain international support for their cause, but instead of putting their soldiers in harms way, the Israeli cowards instead just drop a bomb, civilian casualties be dammed.
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If they took out the word “coward” would it change the meaning?Cowards... Wow. Taking that devils advocate role seriously
Taking it out of “Israel vs Hamas” and into a broader LOAC situation: If a belligerent uses a typically-protected structure (thus losing its protection under LOAC) and the other belligerent strikes it, does it absolve them of CIVCAS fallout?
No, of course not.
A belligerent party hiding among civilians bears responsibility hiding among civilians or abusing the protective status of, and g, religious, medical, or cultural sites. Those sites lose their protected status.
Regardless of whether a site had and lost protected status, or never had any special status, a belligerent party launching an attack they they know or expect will cause civilian casualties is accountable for being able to defend the military necessity, discrimination, and proportionality of the strike and limiting civilian harm to the extent reasonably achievable. Civilians can be struck and killed if it’s necessary in order to hit a valid military objective and the means of doing so aren’t excessive. We’ve had to deal with this too.
I’m not commenting on this specific attack because I don’t have the facts and don’t consider either side trustworthy to offer them. Just speaking to the legal framework generally.
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