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Nobody trusts anybody having nukes. That's the point of having nukes.
Hamas invaded Israel 2023
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Nobody trusts anybody having nukes. That's the point of having nukes.
Colin Parkinson
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I bet they wished they had not given theirs up on the promises given to them by Moscow.......
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You people be the judge if CUPE and Fred Hahn heard the Canadian people or understand the true meaning of what they've said.
From this foundation, we do not hesitate to condemn the terrible violence in southern Israel and Gaza that took place over this past weekend, and that continues to escalate, with no end in sight. CUPE Ontario members have shared the world’s shock and horror at the attack on Israeli civilians by Hamas fighters and at the subsequent Israeli military assault on the people of Gaza. Violence and death visited on civilians is deplorable and CUPE Ontario mourns the brutal loss of innocent lives. We offer our condolences especially to those CUPE members who have ties to Israel and Palestine, and echo calls for an immediate cease and discussions that lead to a just peace.
However, in these volatile times, the same principles that guide us also make us targets of others’ hate and intolerance. Recently, CUPE Ontario became the focus of far-right extremist hate because of our role in the counter-protests to the September 20 anti-trans demonstrations. Now we find ourselves targeted by a different set of trolls, this time a highly organized pro-Israel lobby that seeks to control the anti-Palestinian narrative fed to Canadians and intimidate any person or organization that fails to comply with its agenda.
This lobby rejects any attempt or even reference to context, nuance or appeal to even-handedness in the history of Israel/Palestine. True to form, it has targeted CUPE Ontario President Fred Hahn and CUPE 3906 for their recognition of Palestinians’ rights under international law to resist occupation through armed struggle. Support for these rights has guided the creation of CUPE Ontario’s policy against the apartheid policy of the state of Israel; that policy, often led by CUPE post-secondary locals, also forms part of our proud history of work against all forms of oppression and injustice.
These discussions are made even more challenging in our country given the one-sided media coverage and our current political environment. In news stories, Palestinians are routinely dehumanized and openly threatened with annihilation by members of Israel’s government; yet these displays of racism and threats of genocide have received no condemnation from any official quarter in Canada.
Still, CUPE Ontario and the ISC refuse to conflate the tragedy of the Israeli lives cut short since Saturday with a denial of support for Palestinians, their suffering and their rights to self-determination.
We contrast this principled stance with those of most of our elected leaders across the political spectrum. Their reactions have been uniformly disappointing, as they openly side with Israel and avoid any expressions of recognition or solidarity with Palestinians. Politicians of all stripes also selectively call for restrictions on free speech and freedom of assembly for supporters of Palestine and they happily mischaracterize pro-Palestinian rallies as pro-Hamas demonstrations. Most strikingly, tew have called for an immediate ceasefire, even as the death toll rises every hour in Gaza.
We do, however, take heart in the statement of the federal NDP, which concludes by affirming the party’s stand “all people in Israel and Palestine who yearn for peace, freedom and security.” It is this hope for a just and lasting peace that informs CUPE Ontario’s and the ISC’s calls for justice and joins us to the global solidarity movement fighting for the rights of all peoples to liberation and self-determination.
Statement from CUPE Ontario and the International Solidarity Committee on the war in Israel and Gaza
In the true tradition of trade unionism, CUPE Ontario will always choose justice over injustice, side with the powerless over the powerful, and support the colonized over the colonizer. Throughout the world, CUPE Ontario’s International Solidarity Committee (ISC) links members to workers’ global struggles so that we may stand in solidarity with all oppressed peoples.From this foundation, we do not hesitate to condemn the terrible violence in southern Israel and Gaza that took place over this past weekend, and that continues to escalate, with no end in sight. CUPE Ontario members have shared the world’s shock and horror at the attack on Israeli civilians by Hamas fighters and at the subsequent Israeli military assault on the people of Gaza. Violence and death visited on civilians is deplorable and CUPE Ontario mourns the brutal loss of innocent lives. We offer our condolences especially to those CUPE members who have ties to Israel and Palestine, and echo calls for an immediate cease and discussions that lead to a just peace.
However, in these volatile times, the same principles that guide us also make us targets of others’ hate and intolerance. Recently, CUPE Ontario became the focus of far-right extremist hate because of our role in the counter-protests to the September 20 anti-trans demonstrations. Now we find ourselves targeted by a different set of trolls, this time a highly organized pro-Israel lobby that seeks to control the anti-Palestinian narrative fed to Canadians and intimidate any person or organization that fails to comply with its agenda.
This lobby rejects any attempt or even reference to context, nuance or appeal to even-handedness in the history of Israel/Palestine. True to form, it has targeted CUPE Ontario President Fred Hahn and CUPE 3906 for their recognition of Palestinians’ rights under international law to resist occupation through armed struggle. Support for these rights has guided the creation of CUPE Ontario’s policy against the apartheid policy of the state of Israel; that policy, often led by CUPE post-secondary locals, also forms part of our proud history of work against all forms of oppression and injustice.
These discussions are made even more challenging in our country given the one-sided media coverage and our current political environment. In news stories, Palestinians are routinely dehumanized and openly threatened with annihilation by members of Israel’s government; yet these displays of racism and threats of genocide have received no condemnation from any official quarter in Canada.
Still, CUPE Ontario and the ISC refuse to conflate the tragedy of the Israeli lives cut short since Saturday with a denial of support for Palestinians, their suffering and their rights to self-determination.
We contrast this principled stance with those of most of our elected leaders across the political spectrum. Their reactions have been uniformly disappointing, as they openly side with Israel and avoid any expressions of recognition or solidarity with Palestinians. Politicians of all stripes also selectively call for restrictions on free speech and freedom of assembly for supporters of Palestine and they happily mischaracterize pro-Palestinian rallies as pro-Hamas demonstrations. Most strikingly, tew have called for an immediate ceasefire, even as the death toll rises every hour in Gaza.
We do, however, take heart in the statement of the federal NDP, which concludes by affirming the party’s stand “all people in Israel and Palestine who yearn for peace, freedom and security.” It is this hope for a just and lasting peace that informs CUPE Ontario’s and the ISC’s calls for justice and joins us to the global solidarity movement fighting for the rights of all peoples to liberation and self-determination.
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Terrorists, they are terrorists. It's clear what side they are on......
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Ukraine and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia
Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia
Don't go blaming Moscow. Like the scorpion, its in its nature.
The people that failed Ukraine are in London, Washington, Beijing and Paris.
Of that bunch some still have to be dragged to their obligations kicking and screaming.
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Sorry for the Twitter links, I don’t know how to separate the YouTube video links from Twitter.
Rescue under fire of crew of Namur APC suffering from mobility kill conducted by light infantry and what appears to be a specialist variant of a Merkva armoured recovery vehicle. Interestingly the next video in the thread is taken by Hamas allegedly of the same engagement. Very intense firefight.
Rescue under fire of crew of Namur APC suffering from mobility kill conducted by light infantry and what appears to be a specialist variant of a Merkva armoured recovery vehicle. Interestingly the next video in the thread is taken by Hamas allegedly of the same engagement. Very intense firefight.
daftandbarmy
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An 'Infantry heavy job' coming right up...
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Haven't seen this upthread yet -- SYR reportedly shelling ISR, with ISR shelling back (usual early report caveats apply) ....
www.middleeastmonitor.com
UAE warns Syrian regime against ‘interference’ in Israeli war on Gaza
The UAE has warned the Syrian regime against “any interference” in Israel’s war on Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, the Israeli Walla website reported today. The report cited sources familiar...
www.middleeastmonitor.com
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It could get interesting if the UAE or others in the region show support for Israel.Haven't seen this upthread yet -- SYR reportedly shelling ISR, with ISR shelling back (usual early report caveats apply) ....
UAE warns Syrian regime against ‘interference’ in Israeli war on Gaza
The UAE has warned the Syrian regime against “any interference” in Israel’s war on Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, the Israeli Walla website reported today. The report cited sources familiar...
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The rest of the Arab states are going to hunker down, with passive support at best. None of them wants Islamic Extremism running rampant against them.
Jordan has given the US airfields and Mil support.
But Syria is going to get smashed if this is true.
and sadly GB and the U.S. as well
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The people who wrote that statement ought first to wait for confirmation that Israel is conducting a military assault on the people of Gaza. By that, I mean deliberate attacks on non-military targets which are not excused by proper application of principles of military necessity and proportion, and in which the non-military targets have not been compromised by misuse by Hamas combatants. Obviously we already have ample proof of the attacks by Hamas on Israelis.
The people who wrote that part of the statement have left themselves wide open. There's a long history of tit for tat. But the overriding "context" is that in which Israel was supposed to be extinguished shortly after its creation, and is still supposed to be extinguished according to the political charters and statements of some of the involved parties. That followed the "context" of an attempt to extinguish European Jews, all within the "context" of centuries of anti-semitism. Israeli policy towards Palestinians that risks traveling a similar path is at least subject to change according to which political parties control the government.
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In Kosovo Clash, New Bullets and Freshly-Repaired Mortars from Serbia
Bullets seized from Serb gunmen in northern Kosovo last month were made in Serbia just last year, while mortar rounds and grenade launchers passed through Serbian state maintenance centres in 2018 and 2021, BIRN has found from analysis of markings on the extensive arsenal.
balkaninsight.com
US Urges Serbia and Kosovo to Return to Talks to End Violence
Kosovo and Serbia must return to European Union-mediated talks to defuse the risk of renewed violence after gun battle left four people dead last month, a senior US diplomat said.
www.bloomberg.com
Interview: Kosovo's Top Cop On Serbian Meddling And Why It's So Hard To Stop Weapons Smuggling
The head of the Kosovo Police, Gazmend Hoxha, spoke to RFE/RL's Balkan Service about the ongoing investigation into the recent deadly clash at an Orthodox monastery in northern Kosovo.
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A pretty decent overview/background of the history, structure and current state of Hamas from Foreign Affairs.
www.cfr.org
What Is Hamas?
The Palestinian militant group has struggled to govern Gaza and remains committed to violently resisting Israel. Its surprise attack against Israel in 2023 threatens a wider conflagration in the Midd…
www.cfr.org
daftandbarmy
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Jordan is home to over 2 million Palestinian refugees already.
I'm pretty sure they don't want anymore, which would suggest they'd be somewhat supportive of maintaining the status quo in Gaza...
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- Hamas (Harakat Al-Muqawama Al-Islamiya) (Islamic Resistance Movement)
- Hizballah
- Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
- Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
- Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command (PFLP-GC)
- Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
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Introduction to the terms of reference and listing of terrorist entities according to Canada's Anti-Terrorism Act
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So we got the usual exercise-restraint, ceasefire-please, moral-equivalence, don't-be-hasty jawboning from all the people who customarily pop up to do these things.
Some of them must have been wishing they'd waited a couple of days before laying down their markers.
Some of them must have been wishing they'd waited a couple of days before laying down their markers.
Happy Guy
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You're correct. Jordan doesn't want any more Palestinian refugees for several reasons:Jordan is home to over 2 million Palestinian refugees already.
I'm pretty sure they don't want anymore, which would suggest they'd be somewhat supportive of maintaining the status quo in Gaza...
- Cost. The camps are costly to support even with UN help
- Demographics / Politics. The Palestinian birth rate is high compared to Jordanian population. The Palestinians hold some political views which run counter to the Jordanian government which is a constitutional monarchy, however unlike the UK, King Abdullah II exercises significant political power. The Jordanian gov't is worried about the influence of the Palestinians over the Jordanian people. Monarchy - good, more democracy / freedom - bad
- Economy. Palestinians are taking jobs away from the Jordanians and if the economy falls, anger will flare up between the two populations causing civil unrest.
I would suspect that neighbouring countries with Palestinian refugees don't want any more either. It increases the drain on the gov't coffers and exponentially increases the risk of dissent and conflict within the general population.
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