SUPERPOWER: Ian Bremmer explains America's choices in the 'period of geopolitical creative destruction'
ELENA HOLODNY
May 19, 2015
Washington hasn't had a defined foreign policy strategy for the last quarter-century, but now it's time for America to take a look at the options and make a choice, argues Eurasia Group president Ian Bremmer in his new book, "Superpower."
During the Cold War, America had a defined policy — and everybody knew what it was. Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, the world was still safe enough for Washington to get away with not having a clear strategy.
However, in today's increasingly dangerous and unstable geopolitical environment, that's no longer an option.
"America has not had a [post-Soviet] foreign policy strategy," Bremmer told Business Insider in a sit-down interview. "We've chosen to be risk averse and reactive. You look at the Gulf Summit with the leaders not coming. You look at Netanyahu. You look at the Russians. The Chinese have the AIIB. All of this.
"And now the point is: How is America going to react to all of this?"
There are three specific foreign policy options for the US, according to him:
Indispensable America — US exceptionalism on a global scale. Indispensable America is the idea that Americans care about and actively work to make the world safer — especially because this ensures the safety of the American people.
Furthermore, if America won't play the role of the world's policeman, then no one will — and that could lead to a much more dangerous world.
Moneyball America — running America like a company. Moneyball America takes a calculated look at what America is spending money on, how to minimize costs, and how to maximize the benefits.
Independent America — American values do matter, but the way to promote them is by investing in and focusing on the US rather than policing the world around. Once you build up and improve America, you will inevitably project American values across the world.
Basically, "'Indispensable' is going with your heart, 'Moneyball' is going with your wallet, and 'Independent' is going with your head," according to Bremmer.
Business Insider and Ian Bremmer discussed America's current role in the world, how the geopolitical environment has changed since the fall of the Soviet Union, and how that affects the choices America has in the future.
This interview has been lightly edited and rearranged for clarity.
Business Insider: You write that America has three choices. However, as you trace through Bill Clinton's, George W. Bush's, and then Obama's foreign policies, it seemed as though many of their policies were a product of the world that they were leading in. To what degree would you say that it's external factors that actually shape US foreign policy? To what degree do we have a choice?
Ian Bremmer: Well, it's funny because all of my previous books were about big global structural countries. I'm not someone who likes to talk about just blaming Obama. Because you also ask, what about Congress? What about the American public? China? Russia? Europe? There are lots of reasons why we're in the thicket geopolitically that we are.
But, the fact of the matter is, the US president has a lot of flexibility on foreign policy. As much as Congress may say that they want to play more of a role, they really can’t. I mean if we do or don’t do an Iran deal, that’ll be largely on the basis of Obama. The reaction that we’ve had on Russia/Ukraine has been influenced very significantly by Obama.
I happen to believe that we are entering into this period of geopolitical creative destruction. The last time we’ve seen something like that was after WWII. I believe that this is a
G-Zero environment. I believe that despite the fact that the United States is the world’s only superpower. I do not believe that this will be an American century, nor do I believe it will be a Chinese century. I think we’re done with centuries.
There’s just too much volatility.
But I absolutely believe that in an environment where there’s much more volatility, where there’s much more geopolitical conflict — that’s one where the decisions made by the American president happen to be one of the most significant factors that you can control. And the most significant one that we can control.
It’s been obvious that for the last 25 years we’ve abdicated. We’ve not had a foreign policy strategy. We’ve chosen to be risk averse and reactive. And when the Soviet Union first collapsed, that was fine, because we’re the only game out there.
But we’re sitting here in 2015 and the American economy is rebounding, and unemployment’s down, and Obama's approval ratings on foreign policy are in the toilet, and the international reaction to this has been bad.
You look at the Gulf Summit with the leaders not coming. You look at Netanyahu. You look at the Russians. The Chinese have the AIIB. All of this stuff. And the point is: how is America going to react to all of this.
I did not write this book as a pure exercise. I actually believe that the Americans have choices. And those choices will not necessarily shape the entire world in our image, but those choices will absolutely affect the trajectory of the United States in a global environment that is much more geopolitically uncertain. And I think that it behooves our president to do that.
It’s not that I fear that we’re not going to do anything — it’s not that I fear another eight years of incoherent “Question Mark America." What I fear is another two, or four, or six years of "incoherent America" and then there’s a crisis. Then there’s a — God forbid — another 9/11, or there’s a massive cyber attack, or Europe implodes, or China does something really assertive — whatever it is.
What worries me then is Americans, absent a strategy, are going to overreact — just like we did with Ebola, just like we did with 9/11, just like we do with everything — we overreact. And we would be overreacting without a strategy, in an environment
not like 9/11 (where America is on top of the world), but where actually the world is blowing up.
BI: If we look at the major world leaders Obama, China's Xi Jinping, and Russia's Vladimir Putin — they all have very different strategies in their foreign policies. Obama, as you write in your book, defines a lot of his policies in negative terms ("we're not going to put troops on the ground, for example). Xi tends to keep a blank face. And then you have Putin, who's always in the public eye and very aggressive. How do you think these strategies have played out and how do you think they will continue to play out?
Bremmer: So I think that the only country in the world with a global strategy right now is China — and I think that that should unnerve us. I think that China has decided that militarily they cannot compete with the United States over the medium term, maybe even in the long term. Outside of Asia they can’t. I think [former Australian Prime Minister] Kevin Rudd understands this very clearly and I agree with him.
But the Chinese do want to compete with us economically globally. They want to compete with our standards, they want to compete with our influence, they want to compete with our architecture that we’ve created, and they’re doing that through the BRICS Bank, and the AIIB, and through the Silk Road Initiatives — you name it. Over a trillion dollars being spent. No one else comes close. And it’s a real strategy. It will certainly be overreach in some places, but overall, I suspect it will work.
Russia is in decline. Their president is extremely upset about that. He has hit upon a policy of aggressiveness that works very well domestically, and he wants to project power. And he wants to particularly do it militarily in a way that the Chinese would never do. Or certainly, would find very counter productive today.
So the Russians are the ones who want make sure that we know that their navy can be right in Latin America, and that’s just fine by them. Their fighter pilots, their bombers will have their nukes right on there. And they don’t care if they find sort of with just line of sight. No radar at all, that sort of stuff.
And obviously the Russians are much more willing to take risks and to make mistakes as a consequence of that. Putin personally is playing a very different game.
Do you think it's that the Russians are willing to take risks, or rather that they aren't great at strategizing?
Bremmer: No, I think they’re willing to. Putin is thinking much more tactically than he is thinking strategically. But I think that to the extent that he’s think strategically, he’s more willing to accept risks because he sees that a more risk averse posture over the last twenty years has led to incremental gains from the United States and allies that don’t really respect the Russians very much — in a way that they respect China quite a bit.
So you look at anything from sending an ambassador over to Russia who meets with the opposition on the first day — we’d never do that, the American ambassador to China wouldn’t do that because we think that China’s too important. NATO enlargement, missile defense, Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, energy exploitation from the Caspian to the West, and now Ukraine.
A lot of this is just — it’s not that we want Russia to decline, it’s just that we don’t care. It’s not really important.
Putin is tactical and risk accepting. Obama is tactical and risk averse, which you see in Syria. He makes the misstep on the red line, and then he does everything possible, ties himself in knot contortions, that clearly hurt him strategically, to avoid getting sucked into Syria. And he’s done this in Iraq, and he’s done this with the Iran deal, and he’s done this in lots of different ways — even in Russia. Some of those policies have been okay, like Iran — so far. But some have been disastrous — like Syria, and like Russia.
Risk aversion in a world that’s becoming much more dangerous, and you’re the largest power out there, is not a recipe for success. Because again the problem is that not just that Americans think that Obama’s doing the worst on foreign policy of all other issues. It’s also, when I talk to foreign ministers from every country around the world, every one of our allies — they’ll all tell you privately: “My God. What does America stand for? Like, what do you guys want?” And they all want to hedge as a consequence of that.