Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread

[cavalryman]

Right back into arguments that have been debunked over and over again.

http://grist.org/climate-energy/the-medieval-warm-period-was-just-as-warm-as-today/

All hail the propaganda of Big Enviro  >

*cavalryman genuflects before the image of a giant watermelon*  [Xp

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

*cavalryman genuflects before the image of a giant watermelon*  [Xp

You are supposed to worship the Great-Black-Kettle-in-the-Sky, you apostate you!

 

[Loachman]

"Global Proxies"...

Right.

Nobody's proven that previous warm periods have been any less global than this one, either.

All of the warmista dogma has been thoroughly debunked, too.

 

[a_majoor]

So Big Oil caused the Mediaeval Warm Period and controls solar activity?

Powerful juju indeed.

Don't forget Big Oil also casued the collapse of the Bronze Age Empires across the Middle East as well....

 

[cavalryman]

Don't forget Big Oil also casued the collapse of the Bronze Age Empires across the Middle East as well....

Wow!  Is there nothing Big Oil can't do?  Where is its altar so I may worship It?

 

[a_majoor]

Wow!  Is there nothing Big Oil can't do?  Where is its altar so I may worship It?

Apparently they are going to give all of us big cheques to hang on our walls... I've got my spot picked out already >

 

[Kat Stevens]

Big Oil was also behind the eruptions of Vesuvius, Krakatoa, Mt St Helens.  All that wonderful holy carbon puked into the air at once, it must have been rapturous!

 

[Loachman]

Mount St Helens certainly made for some lovely sunsets at least as far as Fredericton/Gagnam, for several weeks.

Thanks for that, Big Oil!!!

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I particularly enjoyed the asteroid that Big Oil made hit the Earth 65 million years ago.

If not for that, we would be serving our lizard overlords, right now.

Thanks, Big Oil! 

 

[PuckChaser]

Big Oil needed that asteroid to create oil in the first place, so they sent Bruce Willis back in time to set off a nuclear weapon on one to change its course to hit us. He didn't make it back, but they made a lovely montage with Aerosmith in his memory.

 

[George Wallace]

And if Mother Nature had listened to all those Environmentalists and left the oil in the ground, we would not have to be cleaning up her oil spill in the Oil Sands of Alberta.

Too bad Quebec didn't get into the act and suck up the oil oozing to the surface off the  Îles de la Madeleine and transport it to Levis for purification.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Big Oil needed that asteroid to create oil in the first place, so they sent Bruce Willis back in time to set off a nuclear weapon on one to change its course to hit us. He didn't make it back, but they made a lovely montage with Aerosmith in his memory.

Wow- Big Oil is all powerful. I mean, time travel with nuclear weapons and Bruce Willis is child's play, but booking Aerosmith- Wow. :bowdown:

 

[cavalryman]

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

While the global warming alarmists have done a good job of spreading fright, they haven’t been so good at hiding their real motivation. Yet another one has slipped up and revealed the catalyst driving the climate scare.

We have been told now for almost three decades that man has to change his ways or his fossil-fuel emissions will scorch Earth with catastrophic warming. Scientists, politicians and activists have maintained the narrative that their concern is only about caring for our planet and its inhabitants. But this is simply not true. The narrative is a ruse. They are after something entirely different.

If they were honest, the climate alarmists would admit that they are not working feverishly to hold down global temperatures — they would acknowledge that they are instead consumed with the goal of holding down capitalism and establishing a global welfare state.

Have doubts? Then listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

So what is the goal of environmental policy?

“We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,” said Edenhofer.

 

[biernini]

In case anyone was interested in the source of those quotes by Edenhofer free from such slanted editorializing here you go.

The reply just before that controversial "redistribution" quote?

Basically it’s a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet – and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 – there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.

Sounds like grave concern for the global temperatures to me, less so someone "consumed with the goal of holding down capitalism and establishing a global welfare state."

 

[a_majoor]

I'm going to repost the entire article so the context is clear, even the context of attempting to prevent the use of inexpensive, easy to use energy. And the statements by multiple people are all reinforcing the same point; this is an attempt to control the global economy, not the global climate. And of course the hypocrasy of the "some for me, none for thee" carbon emissions schemes between the third and first world also make the "goals" of climate change alarmists pointless, China alone pumps out more emissions of all sorts than the combined totals of many first world nations:

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare
The climate alarmists want the public to think they are trying to avoid a burnt world, but what they really want is something altogether different. (AP)
3/29/2016

Fraud: While the global warming alarmists have done a good job of spreading fright, they haven’t been so good at hiding their real motivation. Yet another one has slipped up and revealed the catalyst driving the climate scare.

We have been told now for almost three decades that man has to change his ways or his fossil-fuel emissions will scorch Earth with catastrophic warming. Scientists, politicians and activists have maintained the narrative that their concern is only about caring for our planet and its inhabitants. But this is simply not true. The narrative is a ruse. They are after something entirely different.

If they were honest, the climate alarmists would admit that they are not working feverishly to hold down global temperatures — they would acknowledge that they are instead consumed with the goal of holding down capitalism and establishing a global welfare state.

Have doubts? Then listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

So what is the goal of environmental policy?

“We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,” said Edenhofer.

For those who want to believe that maybe Edenhofer just misspoke and doesn’t really mean that, consider that a little more than five years ago he also said that “the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.”

Mad as they are, Edenhofer’s comments are nevertheless consistent with other alarmists who have spilled the movement’s dirty secret. Last year, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, made a similar statement.

“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said in anticipation of last year’s Paris climate summit.

“This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”

The plan is to allow Third World countries to emit as much carbon dioxide as they wish — because, as Edenhofer said, “in order to get rich one has to burn coal, oil or gas” — while at the same time restricting emissions in advanced nations. This will, of course, choke economic growth in developed nations, but they deserve that fate as they “have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community,” he said. The fanaticism runs so deep that one professor has even suggested that we need to plunge ourselves into a depression to fight global warming.

Perhaps Naomi Klein summed up best what the warming the fuss is all about in her book “This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. the Climate.”

“What if global warming isn’t only a crisis?” Klein asks in a preview of a documentary inspired by her book. “What if it’s the best chance we’re ever going to get to build a better world?”

In her mind, the world has to “change, or be changed” because an “economic system” — meaning free-market capitalism — has caused environmental “wreckage.”

This is how the global warming alarmist community thinks. It wants to frighten, intimidate and then assume command. It needs a “crisis” to take advantage of, a hobgoblin to menace the people, so that they will beg for protection from the imaginary threat. The alarmists’ “better world” is one in which they rule a global welfare state. They’ve admitted this themselves.

 

[Loachman]

China alone pumps out more emissions of all sorts than the combined totals of many first world nations

Leonardo di Caprio, Al Gore, and David Suzuki, combined, are not far behind either.

 

[cavalryman]

Leonardo di Caprio, Al Gore, and David Suzuki, combined, are not far behind either.

An inconvenient truth indeed.  >

 

[George Wallace]

An interesting article what lead to this movement:

Reproduced under the Fair Dealings provisions of the Copyright Act.

Climate Alarmist Admits The Real Motive Behind Warming Scare: Redistribution Of Wealth
Technocracy
News and Trends
MARCH 29, 2016

Original editorial from: INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY MARCH 29, 2016
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________
TN Note: This article is right on the money. Climate alarmists are thoroughly disingenuous when they cloak their true goals of global redistribution of wealth. This is nothing short of a complete replacement of Free Enterprise and Capitalism in favor of Technocracy – aka Green Economy and/or Sustainable Development.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________


Fraud: While the global warming alarmists have done a good job of spreading fright, they haven’t been so good at hiding their real motivation. Yet another one has slipped up and revealed the catalyst driving the climate scare.

We have been told now for almost three decades that man has to change his ways or his fossil-fuel emissions will scorch Earth with catastrophic warming. Scientists, politicians and activists have maintained the narrative that their concern is only about caring for our planet and its inhabitants. But this is simply not true. The narrative is a ruse. They are after something entirely different.

If they were honest, the climate alarmists would admit that they are not working feverishly to hold down global temperatures — they would acknowledge that they are instead consumed with the goal of holding down capitalism and establishing a global welfare state.

Have doubts? Then listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

So what is the goal of environmental policy?

“We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,” said Edenhofer.

For those who want to believe that maybe Edenhofer just misspoke and doesn’t really mean that, consider that a little more than five years ago he also said that “the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.”

Mad as they are, Edenhofer’s comments are nevertheless consistent with other alarmists who have spilled the movement’s dirty secret. Last year, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, made a similar statement.

“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said in anticipation of last year’s Paris climate summit.

“This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”

The plan is to allow Third World countries to emit as much carbon dioxide as they wish — because, as Edenhofer said, “in order to get rich one has to burn coal, oil or gas” — while at the same time restricting emissions in advanced nations. This will, of course, choke economic growth in developed nations, but they deserve that fate as they “have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community,” he said. The fanaticism runs so deep that one professor has even suggested that we need to plunge ourselves into a depression to fight global warming.

Perhaps Naomi Klein summed up best what the warming the fuss is all about in her book “This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. the Climate.”

“What if global warming isn’t only a crisis?” Klein asks in a preview of a documentary inspired by her book. “What if it’s the best chance we’re ever going to get to build a better world?”

In her mind, the world has to “change, or be changed” because an “economic system” — meaning free-market capitalism — has caused environmental “wreckage.”

This is how the global warming alarmist community thinks. It wants to frighten, intimidate and then assume command. It needs a “crisis” to take advantage of, a hobgoblin to menace the people, so that they will beg for protection from the imaginary threat. The alarmists’ “better world” is one in which they rule a global welfare state. They’ve admitted this themselves.

More on LINK.

Original article in: INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

 

[Kilo_302]

You're all right, carbon DOESN'T absorb heat. And vaccinations give you autism. Yeehaw!


Morons.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

You're all right, carbon DOESN'T absorb heat. And vaccinations give you autism. Yeehaw!


Morons.

Well, you finally did it. Once more, without provocation, you've decided that no one but you can be right. Then to add emphasis to your statement you call the members here morons for not submitting to your creed.

You've been warned repeatedly. Moved yourself up the Warning Ladder to where you have no rungs left.

The site will no longer abide by your constant flaunting of the rules.

You are now Banned.