Germany begs Canada to continue
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No. This is more appropriate:Captain Sensible said:
- http://www.car.ee/galleries/techart-porsche-polizei/ee/ ;D
(BTW: Our police is in the process of changing there color from green back to blue.)
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ironduke57 said:
Now you've gone and done it! Zipperhead cop is going to be wanting one of those now!! ;D
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TCBF said:
Yes, completely. But it will take some time. Some part´s plan to start the change in 2011 and later. Other´s have already finished the change.(Example from Hamburg(left old, right new): (edit
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You wouldn't think that if one had you down in a choke-hold with his truncheon. Die Polizei were never known for their tender graces.Genetk44 said:I don't mean to be rude....but the new uniform on the right just makes me think ...."bus driver"
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Sound´s like you have some experience in this. ;DCaptain Sensible said:
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The Canadian military needs to keep its presence in Kandahar. Though the Germans need to step up there game in Afghanistan.
No they don't - I will say it again:
WE GOT STUCK IN KANDAHAR BECAUSE WE COULD NOT MAKE UP OUR MINDS!
We dithered while other countries picked their missions - we got what was left.
Our fault - not NATO's.
Perhaps they are laughing at the irony of this happening after we did not pull our weight on the Central Front since 1970.
WE GOT STUCK IN KANDAHAR BECAUSE WE COULD NOT MAKE UP OUR MINDS!
We dithered while other countries picked their missions - we got what was left.
Our fault - not NATO's.
Perhaps they are laughing at the irony of this happening after we did not pull our weight on the Central Front since 1970.
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TCBF said:
That's only partially correct. We got stuck with the PRT in Kandahar because we dithered. We decided to go heavy in the province afterwards - a Canadian decision.
The Germans do need to step up - they've contributed nothing substantial to the real effort thus far, as many, many posts on this forum indicate. My distain for them knows no bounds.
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- The above is a much more accurate statement than mine.
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Teddy Ruxpin said:
- I modestly disagree. We drove NATO nuts for years by nickle and diming our "forward deployed" forces in Europe. Now that they use the same arguments, not much we should say.
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TCBF said:
Yes, but there's a difference. Without diminishing what happened during the Cold War, Afghanistan is currently where the rubber meets the road and where NATO is engaged in a shooting war. There's a difference between making a political decision that there wasn't a significant enough of a Soviet threat to forward deploy Canadian troops in large numbers, and failing to step up when the Alliance is engaged in combat operations and when Allies are paying the price. Had the Soviets come across the Czech border, would we have pulled the brigade back to France and awaited events?
Elsewhere on this site (I'm far too lazy this morning to find it) are Der Spiegal articles detailing German obfuscation, vacillation, and inactivity in theatre: the "glee" at avoiding a southern deployment; the manoeuvring to avoid even a modicum of involvement in Kandahar; the criminal inactivity in the North - on and on.
Sadly, IMHO (and I can quote example after example from time on operations), the German Army of today is not the West German Army of the Cold War, nor is their political leadership. Compared to Canada, they still have enormous resources, yet have failed miserably to step up.
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The real tragedy is the political failure of NATO. Europeans won't step up
if all we can talk about in the press is stepping down. The Canadian mission
could actually fail because of a lack of information getting to the voting public.
The NATO mission could fail if Canada makes the wrong example in stepping out.
This would be a most unfortunate way for Canada to show leadership.
A shoe was lost for want of a nail........?
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TCBF said:
Precisely what I had a senior German officer tell me... It sounds plausible. There were plenty of Russian-speakers and Croatians with the Battle Group during my time with them too.
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