Freedom Convoy protests [Split from All things 2019-nCoV]
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You're kind of ignoring that fact that the situation with COVID has changed, and people don't vote on one issue usually. Omicron has altered people's tolerances for restrictions.... Remember back around the election when they were telling us Christmas would be saved by getting vaccinated?
I suppose if you ignore the actual reality of the party system in Parliament that makes sense, but in the real world there are party whips, and the fact the rump parties can't afford another election right away. That means the PM has considerably more power than one vote.
While some think that might be funny. Consider it when we’ve just seen O’toole ousted as leader from his party or when Warara, Chong and Lemieux (I only remember Chong from that and had to look it up) led a backbencher revolt against Harper. Boris Johnson is having/had similar issues over COVID measures.
meni0n
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If it was such a huge issue, everyone and their mother would be calling their MPs demanding whatever these occupiers are asking for. You will also be seeing huge crowds everywhere, but you're not. It's a tiny minority.
Brad Sallows
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Protest and revolution are part of democracy; sometimes the path to democracy. Arguing that protests are anti-democratic isn't a strong tack to take.
The Pandemic is and was a huge issue.
Nobody likes mandates. But most accepted them as the way out of this. It doesn’t mean they were happy about it.
When the protest is against democracy then I would argue that it is.
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Sure, but we have democracy, unless you want to make an argument we don't? I never said protests are anti-democratic. I said illegally occupying streets, borders, waving nazi flags and harassing locals over wearing of masks and then making demands/threats to get what you want is not part of the democratic process. Some of the demands of these people was to depose the current government and install their committee to run the country. I don't understand how people here can support them. I guess hating the Liberal government is more important than preserving the country. How can you have worn the uniform and had the Canadian flag on your shoulder and then cheer on these occupations/protests that are led by the likes of white supremacists like Pat King.
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Brad Sallows
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Look up "preference cascade". I suppose most people are sitting quietly waiting to see how things work out for the early adopters of fewer restrictions. If so, what we're seeing is the early, relatively polite, warning - the one that should prompt authorities to heed the old advice "the greatest problems are most easily solved while they are small".
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I mean there is this too... He's junk no doubt about that. But who is ready to take his place ? Who is offering the alternative ?
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Democracy, on one hand, and rule of law and "peace, order and good government," on the other, are two different things.
I think we have some serious governance problems. If we fix those at forthcoming national, provincial and local elections, then our democracy will be just fine. If we elect better governments then they will, in turn fix the the very evident failures in the area of "peace, order and good government."
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Anyone wants a do-over of the last election.
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We don't have a true democracy.
I can't vote directly on issues. I vote through a proxy but even then I can only hope they vote the way I want them to vote. If they don't I can't fire him. I need to wait 4 years to vote for a new one, even then I might not get my choice.
If the proxy I vote for votes against the party wishes then the person I voted for can be fired from the party. Lots of rea$ons for them not to vote against the party wishes.
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At this point we would get the same resultAnyone wants a do-over of the last election.
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There is no perfect system. True democracy exists in small groups that all have a voice. Tribes and anything that allows for consensus governance.
Large successful Nations cannot effectively achieve that. They can only make the best of what they have and attempt to achieve what they can.
We lack a true professional ruling class. But many would balk at having that sort of thing. It’s an interesting concept though. Plato examined it. He was not impressed by democracy as he thought it would ultimately lead to Tyranny.
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One would think it would be an even bigger majority, given the opposition doesn’t even have the leader who would campaign against Trudeau!
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Protesting is a part of democracy. Revolution? Depends what kind ....
And the way many have been talking, they seem to think that a shovel could beat Trudeau but here we are…One would think it would be an even bigger majority, given the opposition doesn’t even have the leader who would campaign against Trudeau!
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Even if the house votes a non-confidence motion, unless liberals break ranks and cause internal strife in the party, it will be more of the same.One would think it would be an even bigger majority, given the opposition doesn’t even have the leader who would campaign against Trudeau!
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