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From what ive seen there is a big difference between the College Level FF course and the PF Program. the firefighters seems more switched on as a whole... and i dont blame them... they seem to get a hell of alot more relevant hands on training... naturally there are certain things that you obviously cant do in a police foundations program, for Legal reasons... but even still... the closest thing to accual police work I did there was writing a Provincial Offence Ticket for one of my classes.... it sometimes felt like all the program was, was a big cash grab. I did learn a few things I wouldnt otherwise know, but i mean come on... our class didnt even need to pass the PREP to graduate. (granted we were the only year that happened due to the equipment being Broken...) but it was pathetic... we had Bags who couldnt even get to Stage 3 on the Shuttle Run, and who had no chance with any of the restraint sims. or Push/pull test.
to my understanding (correct me if im wrong.) but at humber the firefighter and paramedic courses require physical tests to get in, as well as once per semester. and its alot more physical then the PREP and 6.5 on the shuttle run....
also it seemed like humber Paramedic and Fire were getting hands-on Trg. with the respective services as well as ride outs and such.... all PFP got were a few movies and alot of theory, only some of which could accually be applied i think. but thats just MHO.
anywho sorry about the rant. I have no problem with alot of the firefighter and paramedic types wearing the school stuff. ive just found that too often PFP students who advertise the fact tend to do it in a negative way.
Regards
Josh
Josh,
I can agree and sypathize with a lot of what you are saying. Often times, i felt like my program was a big cash grab. I had to take calculus and physics courses in a FF program....physics i can see on the fire ground, but calculus....i cannot. I think it really depends on what program your in. Most college FF programs are 3 semesters, i was able to get acepted to one that was 3 years long, so we learned a lot of extra stuff, a lot to do with industrial FF and HAZMAT.
To answer the fitness question, the passing mark for my course was a level 10 on the beep test, our teacher would give us bonus marks to run to 12 though, so we always did that we had to do two fitness tests per semester in which a passing grade of 80 % was required in the course. I did "Gym class" every semester for three years. From my standpoint it was fantastic, our Gym teacher was sick and twisted and really pushed us to the limits.
Now, i have seen what the PF students did at my school for fitness testing and IMHO comparing it to what we did, it was a joke. Now i realize every school is different, so take it from there. We also had our own 6 acre training ground, which the school owned with a bunch of other companies in which tto burn everything imaginable. Maybe the same could be done with a College offering PF ? maybe make it like a CQB simulator or somthing ? i know a lot of Police forces use the movie simulators with the lazers and all that jazz, just a thought.
cheers
PV