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Federal Budget 2024 megathread

CTV had a couple with 2 kids and one in the way. Living in a rental in BC.

They were pretty let down.

But I'm not sure what they were expecting...

Migrate. Follow the opportunity, it's what humans have done since we chased animals for food.
 
CTV had a couple with 2 kids and one in the way. Living in a rental in BC.

They were pretty let down.

But I'm not sure what they were expecting...

Migrate. Follow the opportunity, it's what humans have done since we chased animals for food.
Imma live like a pauper for a few years then move south. Don't know where exactly but south.

Where the Sun doth shine.
 
Imma live like a pauper for a few years then move south. Don't know where exactly but south.

Where the Sun doth shine.
My cousin moved to Belize 8 years ago. Loves it. Great weather, low cost, married a nice girl and does well with what he went down with. Also, no formal extradition with Canada :)
 
Small pension, probably less than 200K. I think he still does some occasional flying on a roster basis. That's it.
 
Providing it’s politically palatable for them to be seen to do so. You want to talk about boutique tax cuts for the rich? A rollback on capital gains past the first quarter million is exactly how you piss of more normal voters.
It's the economically prudent thing to do. I can see how this works politically. The government gets to pose as knights of "tax the rich", knowing that the real players are going to find ways to dilute the impact, and knowing that if they lose the election their unwise policy will be reversed, at which time they get to sing the "tax cuts for the rich" chorus.

Early after election is always the time to do the politically unpalatable stuff.

If voters are going to keep voting for the LPC or NDP knowing the way things are going, then those voters having a hard time with interest rates, inflation, and/or lackluster economic growth ought to just stop bitching, put on their best ahegao, and pretend they enjoy f*cking themselves.
 
It's the economically prudent thing to do. I can see how this works politically. The government gets to pose as knights of "tax the rich", knowing that the real players are going to find ways to dilute the impact, and knowing that if they lose the election their unwise policy will be reversed, at which time they get to sing the "tax cuts for the rich" chorus.

Early after election is always the time to do the politically unpalatable stuff.

If voters are going to keep voting for the LPC or NDP knowing the way things are going, then those voters having a hard time with interest rates, inflation, and/or lackluster economic growth ought to just stop bitching, put on their best ahegao, and pretend they enjoy f*cking themselves.
In your view what are the tangible harms of this particular policy?
 
In your view what are the tangible harms of this particular policy?
Every change in tax policy alters behaviour, and amounts to an economic disruption/distortion. In this case, it's a substantial alteration of a parameter which has been predictable for a long time.

Increases dependency on small number of high-dollar taxpayers, which makes the country's revenues more sensitive to business cycle swings.

Targets people who have the most resources and options to pursue tax avoidance/mitigation.

Probably only a temporary policy change.
 
Every change in tax policy alters behaviour, and amounts to an economic disruption/distortion. In this case, it's a substantial alteration of a parameter which has been predictable for a long time.

Increases dependency on small number of high-dollar taxpayers, which makes the country's revenues more sensitive to business cycle swings.

Targets people who have the most resources and options to pursue tax avoidance/mitigation.

Probably only a temporary policy change.
Ok, sure, but again, what tangible harms do you specifically foresee? I’m trying to get my head wrapped around what this will look like at street level.

One obvious impact, congruent with the larger housing focus of the budget, is I could see this slightly disincentivizing real estate speculation purchase of single family homes for later flipping. I don’t personally see that as a bad thing. It could cool housing prices a bit, and inject some properties into the market before the new tax takes effect.
 
A legacy of debt and dependence for future generations, it seems...

Federal budget’s scale of spending and debt reveal a government lacking self-control​


As it has done nine times before, the Trudeau government will borrow to fund some of its spending spree, resulting in a projected budget deficit of $39.8 billion this year, which is $4.8 billion higher than previously forecasted. And it doesn’t intend to stop borrowing, with annual deficits exceeding $20 billion planned for the subsequent four years. This represents a notable increase in deficits compared to what was expected in the last year’s budget. Simply put, there’s no plan for a return to balanced budgets any time soon. As a result, federal debt (net debt minus non-financial assets) is expected to climb $156.2 billion from now until April 2029.

To make matters worse, the government is also increasing the capital gains inclusion tax rate from 50.0 per cent to 66.6 per cent for capital gains realized above $250,000. This will act as a huge disincentive for individuals and businesses to invest in Canada at a time when the country already struggles to attract the very investment we need to improve productivity, economic growth and living standards. Businesses and individuals will now simply invest their capital elsewhere.

There’s a large body of research that finds low or no capital gains taxes increase the supply and lower the cost of capital for new and growing firms, leading to higher levels of entrepreneurship, economic growth and job creation—precisely what Canada needs more of today and in the future.

While the government did boast about its ability to hold the 2023/24 deficit at $40.0 billion, this had little to do with responsible fiscal management. Instead, the government enjoyed higher-than-anticipated revenues of $8.3 billion, but repeated its all too frequent and ill-advised approach of spending that money and wiping out any chance to reduce the deficit.

Growing federal debt leads to higher debt interest costs, all else equal, which eat up taxpayer dollars that could otherwise have provided services or tax relief for Canadians. For context, the government now spends more ($54.1 billion) on debt interest as on health-care transfers to the provinces ($52.1 billion). Accumulating debt today also increases the tax burden on future generations of Canadians who are ultimately responsible for paying off this debt. Research suggests this effect could be disproportionate, with future generations needing to pay back a dollar borrowed today with more than one dollar in future taxes.

But again, it didn’t have to be this way. As we pointed out before the budget, had the government simply limited the growth in annual program spending to 0.3 per cent for two years, it could have balanced the budget by 2026/27 and avoided significant debt accumulation.

Instead, the government chose to increase annual program spending by an average of 4.4 per cent over the next two years and kick the debt problem down the road for another government to solve. Simply put, the government’s fiscal strategy is not all that different from an overzealous child that eats all their Halloween candy in one night even though they fully understand it won’t end well.

Yet for all this spending and debt, living standards have not improved for Canadians. In fact, inflation-adjusted GDP per person was actually lower at the end of 2023 than it was nine years prior in 2014. And going forward, the OECD predicts Canada will record the lowest growth rates in per-person GDP up to 2060 of any industrialized country—meaning countries such as New Zealand, Italy, Korea, Turkey and Estonia would all surpass Canada with higher living standards.

 
Is this a joke
Agreed. It must be a joke, he jus forgot to include an emoji saying as much...


Having Trudeau step down only to be replaced by Freeland wouldn't do them any good, nor would the government start to produce better results.

Freeland is a Finance Minister who doesn't understand finance, and she's somehow also the Deputy PM.


If our finances are a mess & our government is a joke, replacing the #1 turd with the #2 turd isn't a solution. I have a hunch there's a good chance she'd actually be worse...
 
Agreed. It must be a joke, he jus forgot to include an emoji saying as much...

Having Trudeau step down only to be replaced by Freeland wouldn't do them any good, nor would the government start to produce better results.

Freeland is a Finance Minister who doesn't understand finance, and she's somehow also the Deputy PM.

If our finances are a mess & our government is a joke, replacing the #1 turd with the #2 turd isn't a solution. I have a hunch there's a good chance she'd actually be worse...
Hold my beer!

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Ok, sure, but again, what tangible harms do you specifically foresee? I’m trying to get my head wrapped around what this will look like at street level.

One obvious impact, congruent with the larger housing focus of the budget, is I could see this slightly disincentivizing real estate speculation purchase of single family homes for later flipping. I don’t personally see that as a bad thing. It could cool housing prices a bit, and inject some properties into the market before the new tax takes effect.
If we could wrap our heads around the probable - particularly unintended - consequences at street level, we'd be on the short list of fiscal policy quants of some finance department headhunter. Single family homes might only be a rounding error compared to other assets.

People making decisions inflected by quirks of tax policy aren't making decisions based entirely on the market fundamentals (ie. is it advantageous to sell or buy right now?) That's the problem.

This government should have foregone the income tax cut it gave to lower income earners, and probably should have increased income taxes in all brackets above the first in line with the deficit spending it set out to undertake in 2015. They've avoided paying for their honey-do lists for almost a decade.
 
They've avoided paying for their honey-do lists for almost a decade.
With the introduction of the carbon tax, the government increased its revenues by several factors.

(I am assuming this, but have nowhere near the understanding of how national finances practically work like you & some other folks here have)

How has the government racked up so much debt, and avoided paying for their "Sunny ways" for so long...with the roughly $30B they've collected from the carbon tax alone?
 
CTV had a couple with 2 kids and one in the way. Living in a rental in BC.

They were pretty let down.

But I'm not sure what they were expecting...

Migrate. Follow the opportunity, it's what humans have done since we chased animals for food.
The opportunities tend to be in the least affordable places.

It's all well and good to find a "cheap" home in SK, MB, PEI, etc., but what jobs exist there that a person can afford to buy the afore mentioned "cheap" home? What specialty training and experience is required for the jobs? "Migrate" sounds a lot like "learn to code"...

That said, the couple you mentioned likely should have been smart enough to know the LPC and NDP weren't going to come riding to the rescue. If they had a solution it would have been announced well before the budget.
 
The opportunities tend to be in the least affordable places.

It's all well and good to find a "cheap" home in SK, MB, PEI, etc., but what jobs exist there that a person can afford to buy the afore mentioned "cheap" home? What specialty training and experience is required for the jobs? "Migrate" sounds a lot like "learn to code"...

That said, the couple you mentioned likely should have been smart enough to know the LPC and NDP weren't going to come riding to the rescue. If they had a solution it would have been announced well before the budget.
Depending on the community you move to, it can be tough getting decent work if you aren’t from there and locally networked.
 
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