EV's, Gas/Oil, and The Future- another swerve split from- JT Hints Boosting Canada’s Military Spending

[ytz]

But Africa is all mud huts and will never drive EVs....

There are around 100,000 EVs in Ethiopia so far.

The Ethiopian government estimates that number will more than quadruple by 2032. That’s largely because the national government took the extraordinary step earlier this year of banning the import of all gas-powered passenger vehicles — becoming the first nation in the world to do so.

It also effectively slashed the customs tax on imported cars: The tax on gas vehicles was up to 200% before they were banned, while the import tax for fully assembled EVs is just 15%, according to the country’s finance ministry.

It’s part of a government-led effort to get more EVs on the streets.

And most importantly why they are doing this:

Ethiopia is leaning hard into EVs in part because importing fuel is expensive, and 96% of the country’s electricity comes from clean hydropower – a dual win for the country’s finances and the environment.

Source: Ethiopia banned gas-powered car imports. Now EV growth is spiking | CNN

Exactly as I said. Imported fuels are a liability. And every country that can reduce imports will.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Noticed you didn't bring up the financial incentive the Govt forced upon their people to make it happen.

You seem to have a burning desire to prove your superiority , not that you're necessarily wrong, but you are easy to tune out.

 

[ytz]

Noticed you didn't bring up the financial incentive the Govt forced upon their people to make it happen.

Given that I quoted it out of the article, how exactly did I "not bring it up"?

You seem to have a burning desire to prove your superiority , not that you're necessarily wrong, but you are easy to tune out.

What I have a desire to do is counter the prevailing narrative here. In this case, the ridiculous idea that because everybody lives in mud huts in Africa (as seen on deployment) that nobody there will ever drive EVs. I pointed out that there was an economic rationale for governments to push EVs to reduce expensive imported energy. There's nothing forcing you to read my posts. Though clearly it got under your skin enough to respond.

 

[suffolkowner]

and where pray tell will all these happy campers find electrical outlets for their cars. In much of Africa they are still making charcoal to use as a heat and cooking source because there is no power to their homes. Sorry, no power to their street. Sorry again, no power, except for a diesel powered generator that is operating only during limited hours for their entire village. Also, with a gross income of less than a few dollars a day, even a 10000 dollar vehicle is beyond their reach. As for the Chinese price, it will be like their bank loans for development: great rates until they have to committed and then they will foreclose.

I dont know why anyone would make charcoal for cooking when one can use a solar oven. I have two and they work very well. Its very strange the choices we make sometime

 

[Good2Golf]

What I have a desire to do is counter the prevailing narrative here. In this case, the ridiculous idea that because everybody lives in mud huts in Africa (as seen on deployment) that nobody there will ever drive EVs. I pointed out that there was an economic rationale for governments to push EVs to reduce expensive imported energy. There's nothing forcing you to read my posts. Though clearly it got under your skin enough to respond.

How are EVs doing in AFG?

 

[ytz]

I dont know why anyone would make charcoal for cooking when one can use a solar oven. I have two and they work very well. Its very strange the choices we make sometime

Lack of awareness, education, etc. Practical inertia. How many things do we do that are illogical but common practice just because "that's how it's always been done"?

 

[ytz]

How are EVs doing in AFG?

No idea. How many markets do we need to investigate to satisfy your strawman?

And since we're going to talk about Afghanistan....my interest in renewables started on my PG on exchange in the US at NPS. I had combat vets in my program doing theses on EVs and renewables. Why? Cause nobody understands better how much a solar panel on a FOB saves lives like one of those guys.

https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2011/01/17/133006575/solar-powered-marines-see-gains-in-afghanistan

But of course, to you lot, they must all be hippies.

 

[Good2Golf]

No idea. How many markets do we need to investigate to satisfy your strawman?

What strawman? That Canada should be locking down petroleum and going 100% EV now, so it’s more like….brrr …Africa?

You’re the one saying that others are mis-applying their deployed/OUTCAN experiences. Yet now you shy away from addressing how EVs are progressing in an exemplar location where many CAF members were deployed?

From the upthread stream, it seems like your trying to convince the group here that Canada should be more like India and Ethiopia because they have such high EV take-up rates.

 

[ytz]

From the upthread stream, it seems like your trying to convince the group here that Canada should be more like India and Ethiopia because they have such high EV take-up rates.

Hardly. I have not once said we should be like India or Ethiopia. If you believe I have said otherwise, pull the quote. I have said, we should understand the interests of oil importing countries. Their demands drive what we do with our economy. And that was in response to the idea that third world countries will never deploy EVs.

 

[Good2Golf]

Hardly. I have not once said we should be like India or Ethiopia. If you believe I have said otherwise, pull the quote. I have said, we should understand the interests of oil importing countries. Their demands drive what we do with our economy. And that was in response to the idea that third world countries will never deploy EVs.

“…drive what we do with our economy…?”

Seriously?

Why would Canada care about what any country other than the US does importing Canadian oil? Even if we’re generous and add in China and all of Europe, what do the Indias and Ethiopias and others you refer to, really matter? Do you think that the “Other Asia Pacific” sector is going to influence Canada’s export of oil?

 

[ytz]

Do you understand how demand for globally traded commodities drives investment in Canada?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Do you understand how demand for globally traded commodities drives investment in Canada?

Oh, boy. Shots fired….

Where is the popcorn?

 

[Quirky]

EV sales in Canada have dropped off since the initial uptake, cities can’t build chargers fast enough or keep them running and auto manufactures are building more hybrids and traditional IC. Good luck with that 2030 EV only sales mandate.

 

[suffolkowner]

EV sales in Canada have dropped off since the initial uptake, cities can’t build chargers fast enough or keep them running and auto manufactures are building more hybrids and traditional IC. Good luck with that 2030 EV only sales mandate.

we all know PP is going to cancel the EV mandate its a non issue along with any other Trudeau idea that starts after the next election

Im sure EV sales would be fine if we let the fox into the hen house. If all the worlds automobile manufacturers want to vacate the field to the Chinese well I think thats a mistake but theres nothing i can do about it

Electrical chargers I see all the time being installed in homes plus at every mall and gym

 

[Brad Sallows]

Electrical chargers I see all the time being installed in homes plus at every mall and gym

It's not the chargers and EVs that's the problem. The available electrical energy is the problem.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

EV sales in Canada have dropped off since the initial uptake, cities can’t build chargers fast enough or keep them running and auto manufactures are building more hybrids and traditional IC. Good luck with that 2030 EV only sales mandate.

Tesla built a nest of 12 chargers here in North Van, I seen it used twice since it was built. I think this is why he fired his Charging team.

 

[suffolkowner]

It's not the chargers and EVs that's the problem. The available electrical energy is the problem.

we used to pay manufacturers to run night shifts. Now we manufacture nothing

 

[Good2Golf]

Do you understand how demand for globally traded commodities drives investment in Canada?

Do you mean in terms of how that interacts with a demotivating tax regime and deliberately restrictive federal natural resource divestment framework?

Edit to add: So with Ethiopia banning gas-powered car imports in favor of EVs as you note…

Source: Ethiopia banned gas-powered car imports. Now EV growth is spiking | CNN

Exactly as I said. Imported fuels are a liability. And every country that can reduce imports will.

Does this mean that Ethiopia will stop import Canadian oil worth….checks references…$399?

Crude Petroleum in Ethiopia | The Observatory of Economic Complexity

Find the latest exports, imports and tariffs for Crude Petroleum trade in Ethiopia.

oec.world

 

[YZT580]

I dont know why anyone would make charcoal for cooking when one can use a solar oven. I have two and they work very well. Its very strange the choices we make sometime

because they don't have 450 dollars to spend on a solar oven maybe? The wood for charcoal is free for the gathering.

 

[YZT580]

Given that I quoted it out of the article, how exactly did I "not bring it up"?



What I have a desire to do is counter the prevailing narrative here. In this case, the ridiculous idea that because everybody lives in mud huts in Africa (as seen on deployment) that nobody there will ever drive EVs. I pointed out that there was an economic rationale for governments to push EVs to reduce expensive imported energy. There's nothing forcing you to read my posts. Though clearly it got under your skin enough to respond.

it is intriguing that you responded to one of my posts with a " you don't have to be so nasty" type remark yet your tone throughout is extremely condescending. How do you expect to convince others of your theories and evidence if they simply put you on ignore? Just asking.