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Election 2011

Nobody ever said democracy was pretty... we may not like who get elected but Democracy is about choice and if the NDP and Jack Layton emerge as a significant force from this election than we shall live with the consequences... whether they are good or bad.

I have a feeling the numbers are incredibly inflated, and I have a feeling the NDP and the Liberals are going to end up splitting the vote in a lot of Ontario ridings allowing the Conservatives to sneak in
 
And a reminder, there are lots of parties running for office; you just didn't hear about them yet. Those damn Communists are vote splitting between the Communists and the Marxist-Leninists again, no wonder the CPC has a chance to go up the middle, gain seats and govern.... ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_parties_in_Canada

Political parties currently represented in the House of Commons

    Bloc Québécois (founded in 1991) - Quebec sovereignty, social democratic
    Conservative Party of Canada (founded in 2003) - conservative
    Liberal Party of Canada (founded in 1867) - liberal
    New Democratic Party (founded in 1961) - social democratic

[edit] Other parties registered with Elections Canada

    Animal Alliance Environment Voters Party of Canada (founded in 2005) - environmentalist, animal liberationist
    Canadian Action Party (founded in 1997) - populist, anti-globalization
    Christian Heritage Party of Canada (founded in 1987) - social conservative
    Communist Party of Canada (founded in 1921) - communist
    Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist) (founded in 1970) - communist/Marxist-Leninist influenced by Maoism and the ideas of Enver Hoxha
    First Peoples National Party of Canada (founded in 2005) - Aboriginal rights advocacy
    Green Party of Canada (founded 1983) - Green
    Libertarian Party of Canada (founded in 1975) - libertarian
    Marijuana Party of Canada (founded in 2000) - pro-marijuana legalization
    Rhinoceros Party (founded in 2006) - Satirical party
    Pirate Party of Canada (founded 2009) Copyright, Privacy, Network neutrality, Open government
    Progressive Canadian Party (founded in 2004) - progressive conservative, Red Tory
    United Party of Canada
    Western Block Party (founded 2005) - western separatist and paleoconservative/libertarian conservative

[edit] Parties that are eligible to be registered with Elections Canada

None at this time.
[edit] Unregistered parties that have been active in recent years

    Freedom Party of Canada (founded 2001, formerly Unparty)
    Nationalist Party of Canada (founded 1977)
    National-Socialist Party of Canada (founded 2006)
    Newfoundland and Labrador First Party (founded in 2007) - Newfoundland and Labrador advocacy
    People's Political Power of Canada (founded in 2006)- feminist, centrist, populist
    Sex Party (founded 2005) [1]
    Work Less Party (founded in 2007) - Labour rights
    Online Party of Canada
 
Thucydides said:
And a reminder, there are lots of parties running for office; you just didn't hear about them yet. Those damn Communists are vote splitting between the Communists and the Marxist-Leninists again, no wonder the CPC has a chance to go up the middle, gain seats and govern.... ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_parties_in_Canada

Political parties currently represented in the House of Commons

    Bloc Québécois (founded in 1991) - Quebec sovereignty, social democratic
    Conservative Party of Canada (founded in 2003) - conservative
    Liberal Party of Canada (founded in 1867) - liberal
    New Democratic Party (founded in 1961) - social democratic

[edit] Other parties registered with Elections Canada

    Animal Alliance Environment Voters Party of Canada (founded in 2005) - environmentalist, animal liberationist
    Canadian Action Party (founded in 1997) - populist, anti-globalization
    Christian Heritage Party of Canada (founded in 1987) - social conservative
    Communist Party of Canada (founded in 1921) - communist
    Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist) (founded in 1970) - communist/Marxist-Leninist influenced by Maoism and the ideas of Enver Hoxha
    First Peoples National Party of Canada (founded in 2005) - Aboriginal rights advocacy
    Green Party of Canada (founded 1983) - Green
    Libertarian Party of Canada (founded in 1975) - libertarian
    Marijuana Party of Canada (founded in 2000) - pro-marijuana legalization
    Rhinoceros Party (founded in 2006) - Satirical party
    Pirate Party of Canada (founded 2009) Copyright, Privacy, Network neutrality, Open government
    Progressive Canadian Party (founded in 2004) - progressive conservative, Red Tory
    United Party of Canada
    Western Block Party (founded 2005) - western separatist and paleoconservative/libertarian conservative

[edit] Parties that are eligible to be registered with Elections Canada

None at this time.
[edit] Unregistered parties that have been active in recent years

    Freedom Party of Canada (founded 2001, formerly Unparty)
    Nationalist Party of Canada (founded 1977)
    National-Socialist Party of Canada (founded 2006)
    Newfoundland and Labrador First Party (founded in 2007) - Newfoundland and Labrador advocacy
    People's Political Power of Canada (founded in 2006)- feminist, centrist, populist
    Sex Party (founded 2005) [1]
    Work Less Party (founded in 2007) - Labour rights
    Online Party of Canada

The NDP are Communist ::)

The voters just don't realize it because they don't see Communist in the name. Most voters are ignorant. They vote on how the politicians are dressed, their inflated, UNSUBSTANTIATED rhetoric, their looks and all the absolute bullshit that the MSM feeds the public. Politics has nothing to do with policy and everything to do with 'I'd like to have a beer with this guy'. If I had to guess, I'd say less than 25% of voters listen to the platform. It's about who looks good, sounds good, or who my Dad voted for.

We NEED the NDP to get elected, so we can go through a nationwide calamity like we did in Ontario and BC when the NDP was in charge. It is guaranteed that the NDP would cease to be a national party after taxpayers see the havoc and discord that party would sow, while they bankrupt the country both fiscally and morally. Remember Rae in Ontario and Dosanjh in BC how they trashed everything both provinces stood for. Now they are close to the levers of Federal power. Zebras don't change their stripes, but they do join coalitions to trash everything we've accomplished in the last five years. Never mind what they will do to the CF. If you didn't like Chretien calling you Boy Scouts, wait till Layton turns you into Girl Guides.


edit for spelling and a bunch of other shit
 
I sometimes agree with Andrew Coyne, but not this time, not with this analysis, which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from MacLeans:

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/04/28/a-price-must-be-paid-but-by-whom/
A price must be paid—but by whom?
Andrew Coyne decides his ballot question, and who he will vote for

Andrew Coyne

Thursday, April 28, 2011

Voting is a kind of jury duty, and like the jury system, derives much of its strength from the participants’ lack of specialized knowledge of the subject. A specialist can become jaded, or obsessed with finer points; the public has the benefit of distance. My own experience as a political writer confirms this. I will frequently get exercised about this or that controversy, and wonder why the public is not of the same mind. But the public is called upon to judge not only this controversy, but a great number of issues of varying weights, and in the fullness of time, as that particular issue takes its place among the others, it often does not seem quite as all-important to the public as it had earlier seemed to me. And most of the time the public is right.

To vote is to distill a complex array of different, possibly conflicting considerations into one: the parties, the leaders, the local candidates, plus whatever issues are pertinent to you, and the parties’ positions on each. Which makes that perennial journalistic search for the “ballot-box question” such a preposterous enterprise. Every single voter will have his own ballot-box question, or questions. I cannot tell you what yours is, or should be. I can only tell you mine.

For me there are two issues of overwhelming importance in this election. The first is the economy, not only in its own right but for what it means for our ability to finance the social programs we have created for ourselves. The second is the alarming state of our democracy: the decaying of Parliament’s ability to hold governments to account, and the decline, not unrelated, in Parliament’s own accountability to the people.

I can eliminate two options off the top. While both the NDP and the Greens offer appealing proposals for democratic reform, I can’t bring myself to vote for either. It isn’t only their policies—the enormous increases in spending and taxes, the ill-judged market interventions—but their personnel. Simply put, neither party is ready for government.

So the choice for me is between the Conservatives and the Liberals. And as I have wrestled with it, the ballot question that has occurred to me is this: would the Liberals do more harm to the economy than the Conservatives would do to democracy? Or perhaps: would the Liberals harm the economy more than the Conservatives would? Would re-electing the Conservatives do greater harm to our democracy than electing the Liberals? And: which concern should weigh more heavily in the balance?

I give the nod to the Conservatives on the economy, though not by a wide margin. I think their instincts are generally sounder. But their readiness to play politics keeps getting in the way. So while they have a good record in some areas—cutting corporate taxes, opening trade talks with Europe and India, abolishing tariffs on intermediate goods and introducing tax-free savings accounts among them, as well as their deft handling of the banking crisis—it has to be balanced against the politically driven plunge into deficit, the bailout of the auto industry, the cuts in GST rather than income taxes, and an approach to foreign investment that can only be described as whimsical.

The same caution applies to their platform. I don’t doubt they can cut $4 billion out of annual program spending by 2015, without harm to needed services; my only concern is whether they will. Their unwillingness to spell out what they would cut does nothing to allay that concern. More positively, they do seem to have nailed their colours to cutting corporate tax rates. But how much more could both personal and corporate rates be cut if they did not persist in doling out tax credits and subsidies to favoured constituencies?

The Liberal platform, on the other hand, is more consistent, at least in economic policy terms: it is wrong-headed in every respect—higher spending, higher taxing, more meddlesome generally. Its saving grace is that it is only half-heartedly so. The Liberals would raise corporate taxes, but more for show than anything else: lifting rates back to the 18 per cent they were last year is the wrong way to go, but hardly the apocalypse. They aren’t going to get anything like the $6 billion in revenue they claim from these, but neither do they need it. The $5.5 billion in extra spending they propose is barely two per cent of program spending, and would not on its own threaten the country’s fiscal position.

And that’s what it would take to really worry about what the Liberals would do to the economy in the short term. When it comes to taxes or regulations, it takes a long time for even the stupidest government policy—for example, the Liberals’ proposal to shower selected “Canadian Champion Sectors” with subsidies—to really harm the economy. It’s macroeconomic policy that can really run you onto the rocks: running massive deficits, or letting inflation get out of hand. Call me naive, but I do not think the Liberals would do either—even in combination with the NDP. If anything, I suspect they would be at pains to prove their fiscal-conservative credentials, for fear of financial markets’ wrath.

Still, there are differences in long-term direction between the two platforms that are worth considering. Though neither party seems inclined in the short term to brake the torrid growth in health care spending, the broad brush of Tory policy is better suited to spurring the long-term productivity growth that alone can pay for it. And while the Tories’ regulation-heavy approach to reducing greenhouse gas emissions is in principle more costly, per megatonne, than the Liberals’ cap and trade scheme, the overall costs are likely to be less: because the Liberals are likely to bungle their plan, and because the Tories are unlikely to pursue theirs. Sensible policy will await the return of a carbon tax to political respectability.

So that’s the economy. And on democracy? Here the choice is starker—not because I invest any great hopes in the Liberals, but because the Tory record is so dreadful. To be sure, they introduced the Accountability Act on taking office: incomplete, loophole filled, but progress nonetheless. And they have made fitful efforts to reform the Senate, when not packing it with their own strategists, fundraisers and toadies.

But the long train of offences against democratic and parliamentary principle—from proroguing Parliament, twice, to evade Parliament’s reach; to withholding documents essential to parliamentary oversight, even in defiance of Parliament’s explicit demands; to intimidating parliamentary officers and politicizing the bureaucracy; to such breaches of trust as the Emerson and Fortier appointments, the taxation of income trusts, and the evisceration of their own law on fixed election dates—are simply unforgivable.

Add to that the coarse, vicious brand of politics, the mindless partisanship for which the Tories have become known: equal parts terrorizing their own MPs and demonizing their opponents. And add to that the extreme centralization of power in the Prime Minister’s Office, the trivialization of even cabinet posts as sources of independent authority, never mind the barracking of committees . . . Enough.

But much of this went on when the Liberals were in office, too, didn’t it? Yes. That’s just the point. To compare the Harper Tories to the Chrétien Liberals, and to the Mulroney Tories before them, and to the Trudeau Liberals before them, is hardly to excuse them: quite the opposite. The decline of democratic politics may have begun under the Liberals, but it has continued under the Tories. And it will accelerate if there is no price to be paid at the ballot box for such behaviour.

And yet, although the Liberals have tried to make accountability an issue in this election, they have signally failed. Does this mean the public has spoken? Perhaps once again I’ve attached too much importance to a single issue, at the expense of the big picture.

I don’t think so. The Liberals never gave the public much reason to translate their misgivings about the Conservatives into votes for them: a particular imperative, given their own record in office. It’s not enough just to implore people to “rise up.” You have to give them some hope that things will get better. But instead of the sort of large, concrete, attention-grabbing proposals that would really stamp the issue on the public mind, the democratic reform chapter of the Liberal platform is notably thin: reform of question period, a study of online voting, a vague nod to empowering committees.

So I will continue to make the case that we have a duty to perform as voters. Any election is in part a trial of the incumbents. Do we, the jury, find them guilty or not guilty, in this case of offences against democracy? And if we find them guilty, there has to be a penalty.

But what about the economy? In punishing the government, do we risk punishing the country? No. Economies have enormous recuperative powers: as Adam Smith said, “there is a great deal of ruin in a nation.” We can afford a period of Liberal silliness. What we cannot afford is the continuing slide of Parliament, and parliamentary democracy, into disrepair. Conventions once discarded, habits of self-government once lost, are much harder to regain.

If we return the Conservatives with a majority, if we let all that has gone on these past five years pass, then not only the Tories, but every party will draw the appropriate conclusions. But if we send them a different message, then maybe the work of bringing government to democratic heel, begun in the tumult of the last Parliament, can continue. And that is why I will be voting Liberal on May 2.

Actually, I agree with most of what Cohen says, but I take issue – serious issue – with this part:

”But the long train of offences against democratic and parliamentary principle—from proroguing Parliament, twice, to evade Parliament’s reach; to withholding documents essential to parliamentary oversight, even in defiance of Parliament’s explicit demands; to intimidating parliamentary officers and politicizing the bureaucracy; to such breaches of trust as the Emerson and Fortier appointments, the taxation of income trusts, and the evisceration of their own law on fixed election dates—are simply unforgivable.”

Proroguing Parliament, twice, to evade Parliament’s reach
That is the main reason (albeit not the only one) prorogation is an integral part of our parliamentary system: to allow the government of the day to suck back and reload, so to speak. The fact that the opposition, the media and many, many Canadians don't like it does not make it any less acceptable.

Withholding documents essential to parliamentary oversight, even in defiance of Parliament’s explicit demands
This, making documents available to members, is a tradition in the making. I believe the Conservatives are fighting change at the behest of the bureaucracy. The bureaucracy is, I also believe, partially right – we need to establish some rules, as already exist in e.g. The UK and the USA, to “clear” MPs to receive and consider some, maybe even most, government documents.

Intimidating parliamentary officers and politicizing the bureaucracy
I do not believe that the Harper Conservatives are guilty of either. Some parliamentary officers disagree with the government and the government disagrees right back – that is not intimidation, that's debate. The politicization of the bureaucracy began under the Liberals and the worst thing that we can say about Harper's Conservatives is that they have not stopped it.

Breaches of trust as the Emerson and Fortier appointments, the taxation of income trusts, and the evisceration of their own law on fixed election dates
Neither Emerson nor Fortier were, in any reasonable way, breaches of trust: floor crossings are an old and even honourable part of our parliamentary tradition as are appointments of senators to cabinet. Taxing income trusts was, indeed, a broken promise but we should celebrate, even commend a change of mind when it makes good policy sense. The fixed election date promise, now almost a custom, is, at best, a gimmick, but Coyne is correct, it is a broken promise.

I respect Coyne and I respect his right to choose the Liberals and to encourage you and me to do the same, but I reject some of his reasons, which I find to be flimsy, at best.
 
Part of the income trust saga was rapidly changing circumstance.  Chartered banks were considering de-incorporating and re-establishing as trusts.  Seriously, how happy would Iggy and Layton be if chartered banks paid no corporate income tax.
 
Perhaps what Coyne left out, that Conservatives are more likely to kill off the $$$subsidy that keeps his magazine afloat, had something to do with his decision.

Once you get a liplock on a public teat, the sense that you are entitled to your entitlements overwhelms your common sense.

Have fun voting Andrew and don't feel guilty about cashing those big fat taxpayer cheques.
 
Like many others on this site don't buy into the storyline of the NDP turning their poll numbers into a massive shift in support away from the Conservatives.  I think that their support is highly concentrated in a number of urban areas which also have traditionally high(er) Liberal and Bloc support.  I personally believe that most of their gains will come at the expense of those parties rather than from the Conservatives. 

Vote splitting on the left may allow the Conservatives to gain a few seats by coming up the middle but I don't see enough seats going that way to translate into a big Conservative win.  Voter turnout I feel will be the big factor on Monday.  In particular traditional Liberal voters.  If they choose to stay home in fairly large numbers then I think the Conservatives may be able to pull off a majority. 

Another minority however isn't looking as bad as I originally feared at the start of the campaign.  The Bloc losing a significant number of seats (either to the NDP outright or to the Conservatives due to vote splitting) is a good thing to my mind.  The less influence they have in the House the better (even if they're being replaced by socialist members). 

A major shake-up between the Liberals and the NDP on the Centre-Left is also a good thing to my mind.  Putting the two parties closer to parity in support may encourage them to merge in order to prevent vote-splitting from keeping the Conservatives in perpetual power.  In the long term this will give a clearer choice for voters between different visions for the country.

I also have hope that a badly shaken Liberal party (likely with a leadership change coming) will be in no mood to try to immediately defeat a Conservative minority and will rather put their efforts into rebuilding instead.  I doubt they'll be too eager to hand over the keys of power to Jack Layton (pride won't allow it!) and they won't have much legitimacy to try to take control themselves with their support greatly reduced.

 
E.R. Campbell said:
Proroguing Parliament, twice, to evade Parliament’s reach
That is the main reason (albeit not the only one) prorogation is an integral part of our parliamentary system: to allow the government of the day to suck back and reload, so to speak. The fact that the opposition, the media and many, many Canadians don't like it does not make it any less acceptable.

Very true. Further, to string the Conservatives up for proroguing is hypocritical on the part of the Liberals. How readily they seem to forget that Jean Chretien also prorogued parliament to avoid dealing a few issues that weren't likely to end favourably for him. Hell, some even applauded Chretien for his cleverness in doing so. Not only that, but he deliberately called a premature election three years into a majority term where the gov't wasn't in danger of losing confidence simply because it would benefit him to do so at that juncture. It's the PM's prerogative to ask the GG for one when he/she sees fit but that was just unnecessary.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Proroguing Parliament, twice, to evade Parliament’s reach
That is the main reason (albeit not the only one) prorogation is an integral part of our parliamentary system: to allow the government of the day to suck back and reload, so to speak. The fact that the opposition, the media and many, many Canadians don't like it does not make it any less acceptable.

Mr. Campbell, I concur. 

Those who conduct due diligence prior to commenting responsibly on the issue are not those who would be surprised that in the Canadian public record, the politician with the worst record for proroguing government is....





....Bob Rae.


#1 - Dec 19, 1991  to  April 6, 1992
#2 - Dec 10, 1992  to  April 13, 1993
#3 - Dec 9, 1994    to  April 28, 1995

...for a total of 375 days.  That makes Mr. Harper pale in comparison.



Those who attempt to paint PM Harper as a morally corrupt politician trying to detach the electorate from due process through excessive proroguement are on shaky moral ground.


Regards
G2G




 
GR66 said:
Like many others on this site don't buy into the storyline of the NDP turning their poll numbers into a massive shift in support away from the Conservatives.  I think that their support is highly concentrated in a number of urban areas which also have traditionally high(er) Liberal and Bloc support.  I personally believe that most of their gains will come at the expense of those parties rather than from the Conservatives.
 

If you look at the riding projections here:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JP4g-fooiuc/TblbW-vuZyI/AAAAAAAAE-g/VGlVx-daRr0/s1600/11-04-28+Ridings.PNG

The NDP is only leading in two seats outside of Quebec that they currently don't hold, and 8 inside Quebec. A net gain of 10 seats.


Vote splitting on the left may allow the Conservatives to gain a few seats by coming up the middle but I don't see enough seats going that way to translate into a big Conservative win.  Voter turnout I feel will be the big factor on Monday.  In particular traditional Liberal voters.  If they choose to stay home in fairly large numbers then I think the Conservatives may be able to pull off a majority. 

Another minority however isn't looking as bad as I originally feared at the start of the campaign.  The Bloc losing a significant number of seats (either to the NDP outright or to the Conservatives due to vote splitting) is a good thing to my mind.  The less influence they have in the House the better (even if they're being replaced by socialist members). 

A major shake-up between the Liberals and the NDP on the Centre-Left is also a good thing to my mind.  Putting the two parties closer to parity in support may encourage them to merge in order to prevent vote-splitting from keeping the Conservatives in perpetual power.  In the long term this will give a clearer choice for voters between different visions for the country.

I also have hope that a badly shaken Liberal party (likely with a leadership change coming) will be in no mood to try to immediately defeat a Conservative minority and will rather put their efforts into rebuilding instead.  I doubt they'll be too eager to hand over the keys of power to Jack Layton (pride won't allow it!) and they won't have much legitimacy to try to take control themselves with their support greatly reduced.

Agreed. If the Liberals give up the opposition in favour of the NDP, I don't see them joining a coalition. If Iggy can't sit in the big chair, he's likely not going to want to play.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
The fixed election date promise, now almost a custom, is, at best, a gimmick, but Coyne is correct, it is a broken promise.

I beg to differ. The strength of that promise can only truly be tested by a majority government.
 
You guys are going to see this a few times over the weekend and so I thank you all in advance for your patience.

This web site will be a "news portal" on election night - rather like the TV networks. They, the TV networks and, for example, the newspaper web sites, are forbidden by law from broadcasting results until the polls close in BC. Those "news portals" that break the rules are subject to criminal charges and large fines.

Anyone who sees a post that appears to be in contravention of the law is asked to report the post immediately and then take no further action.

We thank you for your cooperation and patience.

At 2200 EST on Monday you may fire away.

The Staff


Edit to update time to 2200 EST, per Elections Canada
 
Because I enjoy fun with numbers I worked up three scenarios for 3 May 11:

                                               
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Scenario 1:                          33          150          70              55        -
Scenario 2:                          38          135          63              70        2
Scenario 3:                          35          120          65              85        3

Coalition probabilities

Scenario 1: Low – a coalition would require explicit BQ support and both the Liberals and NDP know that it will be seen, by most Canadians, as illegitimate – a coalition of both losers and separatists – and that the parties to it will be punished at the next election. The Conservatives will claim (Iand many Canadians will agree) that they “won” the right to govern, for at least a year, by increasing their majority.

Scenario 2: Medium – a coalition might be formed without explicit BQ support, a lot depends on the two “Others” and on the Liberals' death wish. I think the Liberals will buy in if the Dippers offer them a reasonable share of cabinet seats, even, maybe esepecially Finance Minister. Canadians would likely find it acceptable because many of them will have repudiated the Conservatives on 2 May 11.

Scenario 3: High, in theory – a coalition is very probable because it does not require BQ support and Canadians will have soundly, but not completely, repudiated the Conservatives; but
                    Low, in practice – the NDP is unlikely to offer the Liberals many, if any, seats at the cabinet table, and the Liberals know that they will, likely, be permanently displaced as a major, national party if they let
                    Jack Layton into 24 Sussex Drive because Layton will keep very, very few of his promises and will govern, largely, in a responsible manner at the behest of the bureaucracy and the provinces and big labour.
 
Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from ThreeHundredEight.com, is the latest projection:

http://www.threehundredeight.blogspot.com/
CANADIAN POLITICS AND ELECTORAL PROJECTIONS

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April 29, 2011 Projection - Conservative Minority Government

FRIDAY, APRIL 29, 2011
New Democrats up, Liberals and Bloc down

Three new national polls (not including this morning's EKOS) and a stunning 10 new riding polls have been added to the projection. It has created quite a bit of movement, but still not as much as I'd like to see. Nevertheless, the New Democrats are growing by leaps and bounds and are starting to knock-off Conservative seats in British Columbia and even Quebec.

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Nationally, the Conservatives are down 0.2 points to 36.7% but they have gained one seat. They are now projected to win 144 in total. The Liberals are down again by 0.4 points to 25%, while the New Democrats are up 0.9 points to 23.8%. The Liberals have dropped four seats and are now projected to win 70, while the NDP is up six seats to 53.

The Bloc Québécois is at 7.2% nationally and has dropped two seats to 41. That is still a high number considering they are now projected to be at 29.9% support in Quebec. While this is the result of the slow movement of my projection model, I think it will also end up capturing the problem the NDP will face getting the vote out and keeping it there in Quebec.

Note that I will be doing another update here on ThreeHundredEight tomorrow, with my final projection being put up on this site on Sunday

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The Conservatives are wobbling, but they are still firmly in the lead. They've dropped about a third of a point in British Columbia, Alberta, and Quebec, but have gained that much in Atlantic Canada while being stable in the Prairies.

A drop of 0.7 points in Ontario, however, hurts the party. They are now about where they were in 2008, making new seat gains difficult as the Liberals are also about at their 2008 level of support.

In fact, Ontario is the only part of the country where the Liberals are not in free fall. They've dropped big out West, are down another 0.2 points in Quebec, and are close to losing the lead to the Tories in Atlantic Canada.

The Bloc continues to suffer and has dropped below 30% support in Quebec.

The New Democrats, on the other hand, are up 2.2 points in the province to 29.6%. That is their best result in the country. They also gained 0.7 points in Ontario and 0.9 points in British Columbia. They still have some room for growth.

Eight seats have changed hands.

In North Vancouver, the Conservative incumbent Andrew Saxton is now projected to retain his seat. It had been held by the Liberals in the projection for the entire campaign. Also in British Columbia, the New Democrats are now projected to win Surrey North, a Conservative riding. Jasbir Sandhu is the NDP candidate there.

In Atlantic Canada, former Nova Scotia NDP leader Robert Chisholm is now projected to win Dartmouth - Cole Harbour from the Liberals, while former PC cabinet minister John Ottenheimer is ahead again in Random - Burin - St. George's.

And in Quebec, the New Democrats have wrested Portneuf - Jacques-Cartier from independent, Conservative-endorsed MP André Arthur, a state of affairs confirmed by today's CROP poll. The New Democrats have also taken Laval - Les Îles from the Liberals (François Pilon is the NDP candidate) and two seats from the Bloc: Laval (José Nunez-Melo) and Châteauguay - Saint-Constant (Sylvain Chicoine).


First: the Conservatives have stopped their own version of free-fall; they appear to have started to rebound ... maybe.

Second, for the first time ThreeHundredEight.com “demotes” the BQ to fourth party status.  :nod:  Here, if these numbers hold, is how the HoC would look when Parliament reconvenes:

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Projected Canadian Parliament
Source:
http://www.threehundredeight.blogspot.com/

Here, also reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from WilfredLaurier University's LISPOP, is their latest projection:

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  Other
    32          147        60              69          -

 
Any coalition that becomes the government will purchase favor with Canadians using tax dollars. Bribes.

The consequences will not even be thought about. Attitude: That's in the future. Maybe things will straighten out. But everything is alright now. Gimme.

Same rational as recruiting armies. Attitude: Won't happen to me.

I think Quebec may possible screw the ROC again. They have realized that the Bloc will not get them into government. Electing the NDP gets them into government. Now Quebec is in the drivers seat and the NDP is beholding.

Quebec bled the Liberals and Conservatives dry. The formed their own party, bled it dry. Now it is the NDP's turn.

Canada is not bled dry yet, but Quebec is darn well trying.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Because I enjoy fun with numbers I worked up three scenarios for 3 May 11:

                                               
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Scenario 1:                          33          150          70              55        -
Scenario 2:                          38          135          63              70        2
Scenario 3:                          35          120          65              85        3

Coalition probabilities

Scenario 1: Low – a coalition would require explicit BQ support and both the Liberals and NDP know that it will be seen, by most Canadians, as illegitimate – a coalition of both losers and separatists – and that the parties to it will be punished at the next election. The Conservatives will claim (Iand many Canadians will agree) that they “won” the right to govern, for at least a year, by increasing their majority.

Scenario 2: Medium – a coalition might be formed without explicit BQ support, a lot depends on the two “Others” and on the Liberals' death wish. I think the Liberals will buy in if the Dippers offer them a reasonable share of cabinet seats, even, maybe esepecially Finance Minister. Canadians would likely find it acceptable because many of them will have repudiated the Conservatives on 2 May 11.

Scenario 3: High, in theory – a coalition is very probable because it does not require BQ support and Canadians will have soundly, but not completely, repudiated the Conservatives; but
                    Low, in practice – the NDP is unlikely to offer the Liberals many, if any, seats at the cabinet table, and the Liberals know that they will, likely, be permanently displaced as a major, national party if they let
                    Jack Layton into 24 Sussex Drive because Layton will keep very, very few of his promises and will govern, largely, in a responsible manner at the behest of the bureaucracy and the provinces and big labour.
And I enjoy playing with political scenarios:

I like what you did, but you ignored an important possibility in your scenarios 2 and 3: A Conservative/dippers coalition government.

Politics is the art of the possible: Even in the UK, Brown as the incumbent Prime Minister was asked  to try and form a government of coalition first.

Harper could garner three to five years of stable governing on the economics/defence/law and order agenda (yes, even with a possible free vote on the registry), while being able to claim limitations on his actions on the social side by his "partner". Meanwhile, with the gains made, the Dippers could use the opportunity to act responsibly in government and show the Canadians that they can actually govern.

In such a colaition, the Dippers could be offered posts like Environment, Heritage, Intergovernmental, Citizenship and Immigration, Veterans affairs, with junior portfolios in Health, arts and culture and international development, perhaps even in Human Resources.

Well? Everything's possible in a weirdly split minority government.
 
Rifleman62 said:
Any coalition party that becomes the government will purchase favor with Canadians using tax dollars. Bribes.

Fixed that for you.
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
And I enjoy playing with political scenarios:

I like what you did, but you ignored an important possibility in your scenarios 2 and 3: A Conservative/dippers coalition government.

Politics is the art of the possible: Even in the UK, Brown as the incumbent Prime Minister was asked  to try and form a government of coalition first.

Harper could garner three to five years of stable governing on the economics/defence/law and order agenda (yes, even with a possible free vote on the registry), while being able to claim limitations on his actions on the social side by his "partner". Meanwhile, with the gains made, the Dippers could use the opportunity to act responsibly in government and show the Canadians that they can actually govern.

In such a colaition, the Dippers could be offered posts like Environment, Heritage, Intergovernmental, Citizenship and Immigration, Veterans affairs, with junior portfolios in Health, arts and culture and international development, perhaps even in Human Resources.

Well? Everything's possible in a weirdly split minority government.


Good point OGBD but how about a Conservative-Liberal coalition with similar sharing offers, maybe even offer the Liberals Foreign Affairs?

 
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