Scarlet said:
I've been lurking on these boards for a few weeks now, because I have an interest in joining the reserves. But thanks for making a generalization about me based on my posts in this one thread. And for your information, I started a thread in the combat arms about women in reconnaissance.
I made no generalization, I simply pointed out that the 3 posts listed under your "last posts" were all in threads dealing explicitly with gender relations. As such, the inference that you may have come here through a google pertaining to said topic is not without its base.
I find it interesting that you're painting feminism with the same brush stroke as the KKK. Although I won't deny that there have been many radical feminists who may soured feminism for many, your arguments, while interesting, don't have much ground. "Female perpetuated domestic abuse"? Where are you getting this from? And where is your data to back these numbers up?
If you're interested, I can provide you with the paper this bibliography is taken from. Most have a difficult time believing that domestic abuse isn't an asymmetrically male phenomenon, especially women. The predominantly female class I presented the paper to didn't want to believe it either but it becomes difficult when any methodologically sound study ever conducted on both genders in domestic abuse has found that women and men are smacking each other around with virtually even frequency. There's asymmetry where homicide is concerned, but your general run-of-the-mill spouse-beating is an equal-opportunity sport.
Fekete, John. 1995. Moral Panic: Biopolitics Rising. 2nd Ed. (Montreal: Robert Davies Publishing).
Foo, L. and Margolin, G. 1995. "A Multivariate Investigation of Dating Aggression". Journal of Family Violence. 10.
Grandin, E. et al. 1997. "Couple Violence and Psychological Distress". Canadian Journal of Public Health. 88.
Greene, Kelly and Marion Bogo. 2002. "The Different Faces of Intimate Violence: Implications for Assessment and Treatment". Journal of Marital and Family Therapy. 28.
Hamby, Sherry L. and David B. Sugarman. 1999. "Acts of Psychological Aggression Against a Partner and their Relation to Physical Assault and Gender". Journal of Marriage and Family. 61.
Health Canada. 1999. Husband Abuse: An Overview of Research and Perspectives. (Ottawa: Health Canada).
McNeely, R. L. and Gloria Robinson-Simpson. 1988. "The Truth about Domestic Violence Revisited: A Reply to Saunders". Social Work. 33.
Murty, Susan A et al. 2003. "Physical and Emotional Partner Abuse Reported by Men and Women in a Rural Community". American Journal of Public Health. 93.
Schafer, John et al. 1998. "Rates of Intimate Partner Violence in the United States". American Journal of Public Health. 88.
Sommer, Reena. 1994. "Male and Female Perpetrated Partner Abuse: Testing a Diathesis-Stress Model". University of Manitoba PhD dissertation (unpublished) cited in: Fekete, John. 1995. Moral Panic: Biopolitics Rising. 2nd Ed. (Montreal: Robert Davies Publishing), 89.
Statistics Canada. 2003. Family Violence in Canada: A Statistical Profile 2003.
(Ottawa: Health Canada).
Straus, Murray A and Stephen Sweet. 1992. "Verbal/Symbolic Aggression in Couples: Incidence Rates and Relationships to Personal Characteristics". Journal of Marriage and Family. 54.
Straus, Murray A. 1979. "Measuring intra family conflict and violence: The Conflict Tactics Scale". Journal of Marriage and the Family. 41.
I was 15 when I realized that it's perfectly acceptable for a women to make a sexist remark about a man and get away with it, but men can't do the same thing without being called a pig. However, you'll say I'm just saying that for the sake of your argument.
Not at all - I'm no stranger to the fact that there's a helluva lot that women can do that men can't. There are double standards against women as well, but I'd suggest egalitarianism is a better way of pursuing their abolition rather than feminism, which ignores 50% of reality.
As for women and their treatment in the justice system, courts, reproductive rights...our society isn't perfect, and if it panders to women in many cases (and I won't disagree with you there), I don't necessarily agree with it just because I'm female.
Hey, I can respect that. I'm not saying you're a feminazi - I didn't say all feminists were misandrists, I explicitly allowed for the fact that there are a substantial number of egalitarians misrepresenting themselves as feminists.
What reproductive rights are you talking about? Abortion? That's a whole new can of worms right there.
Indeed it is, but that's part of what I'm referring to. Men are walking wallets where reproductive rights are concerned. Women retain virtual dictatorship where the unborn are concerned. Men are required to deal with the consequences of reproduction, but have no say in its interruption. I'm not an opponent of abortion, but if men are assigned legal responsibilities, they should have some input and inclusion in the decisions which determine such responsibilities. To do otherwise is overtly undemocratic and unequal.
You've made a broad generalization of women who consider themselves to be feminists because you seem to think of yourself as an expert on the topic. Funny that.
Actually, I made two generalizations, given that I subdivided feminism into two constituencies.
If you want to talk about misandry in it's ugliest form, read the SCUM manifesto, where the insanely rabid female author argues that the Y chromosome is an imperfect X chromosome, amoung other things:
"Retaining the male has not even the dubious purpose of reproduction. The male is a biological accident: the y(male) gene is an incomplete x(female) gene, that is, has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples."
Yes, I've read the SCUM manifesto. Funny that the overwhelming majority of history would seem at odds with such conclusions, but you can't really expect much more from intellectually handicapped bigots with homicidal tendencies. That being said, I believe SCUM is closer to the true spirit of feminism (not identical, mind you) than egalitarianism errantly identified as feminism.
