Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread

[RangerRay]

Two community organizations in Quebec are suing the RCMP (among others) for defamation, after the RCMP alleged the groups are "...acting as hubs to harass and intimidate members of the Chinese community in Canada..."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rcmp-chinese-police-stations-1.7138022

Using our legal system against their enemies. Likely hoping the RCMP will be unwilling to reveal sources and methods in court to defend themselves.

 

[Kirkhill]

And once again, Alinsky.

The Rules[edit]​

1. "Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."
2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people."
3. "Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy."
4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage."
6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
7. "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
8. "Keep the pressure on."
9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
11. "If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative."
12. "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

War in the grey zone.

 

[RangerRay]

Terry Glavin: Liberals doing all they can to hide China's ever-expanding influence

At least they are consistent

nationalpost.com

You’d think the Trudeau government would want the public to be well aware of this scandal, illustrating as it does the extreme national-security peril involved in any collaboration with the shadowy world of Chinese state agencies. These collaborationspose a threat to Canada’s national interests that Ottawa claims it wants Canadians — particularly Canadian scientists and university researchers — to better understand, and to guard against.



Instead, the Liberal government persists even now in keeping the public in the dark, by way of teaming with the New Democrats to roadblock an ethics committee probe into the Winnipeg lab affair.

It was only because of its minority position in the House of Commons back in 2019 that the Liberals failed in their efforts to block the establishment of a special standing committee to inquire into the weirdly opaque Canada-China relationship that Trudeau had cultivated and nurtured in the lead-up to Beijing’s hostage-diplomacy abduction of Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor.



Until then, the matter of Beijing’s vastly expanding shadow over Liberal fundraising, candidate-selection, trade policy and diplomatic priorities was held to be best left to the “experts” from Dominic Barton’s disgraced McKinsey empire and the palm-greasers at the Canada-China Business Council. The pattern seemed to break, but the Canada-China relations committee quickly found itself mired in gridlocks by Liberal members determined to turn the subject back to more parochial matters, and to make excuses based on the presumed implications for the Kovrig-Spavor kidnapping, and to level insinuations that it was “racist” merely to inquire too closely into Beijing’s proxies and their rumoured election shenanigans.

 

[RangerRay]

More chicanery from Canadian “friends of Beijing”.

Terry Glavin: The elephants in the room at the foreign interference inquiry

I'm raising my concerns now because under Bill C-63, such speech may be outlawed

nationalpost.com

This gets us to the elephant in every room where these conversations take place: just how extensive, pervasive and sinister the influence of the “friends of China” has become in Canada. In his March 4 “Submission on the risk of systemic discrimination in addressing potential foreign interference in Canada’s democracy,” Woo makes the case that what is perceived by CSIS as a “foreign” threat is no longer really “foreign” at all. And he has a point.

In recent years, hundreds of thousands of immigrants from mainland China have taken up residence in Canada, eclipsing this country’s long-established Cantonese, Taishanese and Hongkonger communities. The newcomers maintain a myriad of Beijing-approved links to the People’s Republic through dozens of associations affiliated with the United Front Work Department and Beijing’s Overseas Chinese Affairs Office, which the Canadian courts and CSIS have identified as menacing influence-peddling and strong-arm agencies of the Chinese state.

In their objections to the establishment of the now mostly dead-in-the-water foreign agents registry — objections echoed by Trudeau and former public safety minister Marco Mendicino — Woo and his fellow Beijing-aligned senator Victor Oh and Liberal MP Chandra Arya have conjured up various historical bogeymen: the 1920s’ era Chinese head tax, the Japanese internment during the Second World War and the 1950s’ disloyalty craze known as “McCarthyism.”

This is all disingenuous and hysterical, as any pro-democracy Chinese-Canadian will tell you, but there is an historical precedent that’s worth reflecting upon as an example of the kind of foreign (but not exactly foreign) interests Woo represents. It’s the case of the German Bund, a pro-Nazi movement that embedded itself in Canada’s German-Canadian community in the lead-up to the Second World War.

The Bund was perfectly legal. The Bund appealed to a diaspora community’s ethno-nationalism. The Bund maintained the most intimate and fraternal relations with an aggressive, assertive foreign power. The big difference, of course, is that the Bund never really had any powerful friends in the House of Commons, the Senate, the Cabinet or the Prime Minister’s Office.

It may be only a matter of time before making such “stigmatizing” comparisons and the mere act of suggesting such things about Sen. Woo and his well-to-do Mandarin bloc constituency could be deemed cause for a “detestation” and “vilification” offence lodged with the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal under the expanded speech-policing powers in Bill C-63, introduced in the House of Commons a couple of weeks ago.

 

[OldSolduer]

There is a big difference between fascists and Communists although the end result is the same:

A miserable cowed populace who fear going to the (gulag/concentration camps).

Communists have a longer view and in this case the Chinese are playing the long game.

Fascists beat you up til you fall in line.

 

[dimsum]

There is a big difference between fascists and Communists although the end result is the same:

A miserable cowed populace who fear going to the (gulag/concentration camps).

Communists have a longer view and in this case the Chinese are playing the long game.

Fascists beat you up til you fall in line.

Let’s be honest - the CCP is about as “communist” as Supply Side Jesus is to Christianity.

 

[RangerRay]

Let’s be honest - the CCP is about as “communist” as Supply Side Jesus is to Christianity.

Or “prosperity gospel”?

Prosperity theology - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Kirkhill]

Let’s be honest - the CCP is about as “communist” as Supply Side Jesus is to Christianity.

Let's be honest - words mean exactly what we want them to mean, for as long as we want them to mean what we want them to mean.

Let the deed shaw.

 

[dimsum]

Let's be honest - words mean exactly what we want them to mean, for as long as we want them to mean what we want them to mean.

Let the deed shaw.

Well yes - language and terms change over time. But, dragging this back on topic, at some point the use of a term will diverge so much from the commonly-accepted definition that either the term changes, or the definition changes. So far, I haven’t seen either happen yet.

As it stands the CCP is strangely hyper-capitalist for a “communist” party. Ronny Chieng in The Daily Show had a line where China has managed to out-capitalist the US in terms of the whole TikTok thing.

 

[Kirkhill]

Well yes - language and terms change over time. But, dragging this back on topic, at some point the use of a term will diverge so much from the commonly-accepted definition that either the term changes, or the definition changes. So far, I haven’t seen either happen yet.

As it stands the CCP is strangely hyper-capitalist for a “communist” party. Ronny Chieng in The Daily Show had a line where China has managed to out-capitalist the US in terms of the whole TikTok thing.

The faith that the CCP expounds is less important to me than the deeds it employs to ensure its authority to defend that faith. Many people want the authority to impose the right solution that has been revealed to them and them alone.

And many more, knowing that they will never be able to achieve that level of influence are happy enough to influence their own tiny environment while tolerating the glorious chaos that surrounds them.

Those that demand order.
Those that tolerate chaos.

The poles of my world.

I don't really care what you call the system you are trying to impose. If you are trying to impose it then I don't like it.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Let’s be honest - the CCP is about as “communist” as Supply Side Jesus is to Christianity.

The CCP is much closer to textbook fascism than textbook communism. Whether that's an improvement is up to the reader.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Let’s be honest - the CCP is about as “communist” as Supply Side Jesus is to Christianity.

Does SSJ have a challenge coin?

 

[RangerRay]

Imagine if the old Deutscher Bund of the 1930’s had the kind of integration the United Front Work Department related organizations in Canada have now?

Stigmatize, Vilify, Detest. Do Not Obey.

Canada's Beijing-aligned Mandarin bloc is the 21st century version of the Nazi-aligned Deutscher Bund from the 1930s. Discuss, while you still can.

therealstory.substack.com

 

[OldSolduer]

Imagine if the old Deutscher Bund of the 1930’s had the kind of integration the United Front Work Department related organizations in Canada have now?

Stigmatize, Vilify, Detest. Do Not Obey.

Canada's Beijing-aligned Mandarin bloc is the 21st century version of the Nazi-aligned Deutscher Bund from the 1930s. Discuss, while you still can.

therealstory.substack.com

Wow interesting -

 

[GR66]

More Chinese aggression against the Philippines in the South China Sea:

China Attacks Philippine Ship, Injures Crew in Latest Escalation of South China Sea Standoff - USNI News

Chinese ships blasted water cannons at ships on Manila’s latest resupply mission to the South China Sea outpost on Second Thomas Shoal today, resulting in an unspecified number of injuries and heavy damage onboard one of the Philippine vessels. The resupply mission was publicly revealed by the...

news.usni.org

 

[JLB50]

Winnipeg man was member of Chinese military branch behind cyber attacks on Canada, officials allege | Globalnews.ca

Huajie Xu told immigration officials he came to Canada for its air quality. Court records show he is a veteran of China's People's Liberation Army.

globalnews.ca

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-68654299?src_origin=BBCS_BBC

Seven Hackers Associated with Chinese Government Charged with Computer Intrusions Targeting Perceived Critics of China and U.S. Businesses and Politicians

“These allegations pull back the curtain on China’s vast illegal hacking operation that targeted sensitive data from U.S. elected and government officials, journalists and academics; valuable information from American companies; and political dissidents in America and abroad. Their sinister...

www.justice.gov

Poor old downtrodden China. If it’s not the Philippine fishing and patrol boats getting in the way of China’s ships and causing near collisions or intentionally running into their water cannon exercises, then it’s all those other countries like mean old America, Britain and even Canada falsely accusing them of doing bad things with their computer skills. Just don’t get no respect.

 

[GK .Dundas]

Would the last person in our National Security community actually doing their job.
Kindly turn out the lights...

 

[RangerRay]

Would the last person in our National Security community actually doing their job.
Kindly turn out the lights...

They are diligently doing their jobs. They find the risks and send the reports up.

It’s the politicians who are getting the reports who are being negligent/wilfully blind/self-intersted, etc.

 

[OldSolduer]

We have a Chinese National who worked at the PLA Cyber centre as an instructor living here in Winnipeg. A LCol I believe when he was PLA.

 

[JLB50]

We have a Chinese National who worked at the PLA Cyber centre as an instructor living here in Winnipeg. A LCol I believe when he was PLA.

It’s as if Canada has a sign on its back saying “Kick Me”. I wonder which nation the ChiComs think is the biggest pushover.