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Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread

Sounds like rumours at this point but time will likely tell.



...and from the original source:

 
if they had lost one, would they even announce it?
Might depend on where they 'lost it'. Losing it while trying to traverse the arctic under ice from east to west, they'd keep that real quiet....
 
Luv that patch on his left shoulder ;)



Extremely Ominous Warning About China From US Strategic Command Chief​

Admiral Richard says “the big one” with China is coming and the “ship is slowly sinking” in terms of U.S. deterrence.

 

Foreign interference inquiry is coming, prime minister says​

Details being worked out: Trudeau​

  • National Post - 22 Aug 2023 - Ryan Tumilty National Post
David Johnston resigned his post as special rapporteur on foreign interference in June. When Johnston quit, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his government would consider a possible public inquiry.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau insisted Monday his government is committed to a full public inquiry on foreign interference, but is still working through the details with opposition parties, giving no date for when an inquiry might get underway.
Trudeau was asked about the potential inquiry at a cabinet retreat in Prince Edward Island on Monday. He said they’re working on it, but want a process everyone will stand behind.

“We continue to work very closely with all opposition parties on making sure that the terms of reference, the person who will be leading it, and the work that is done, is in the best interests of all Canadians; that they are able to do the work without the kind of partisan toxicity we saw.”

Earlier this year, multiple reports emerged that China had made efforts to influence the outcome of the 2019 and 2021 elections. In the case of the 2021 elections, it is suggested the Chinese government attempted to use misinformation to sway results in several ridings, with the overall goal of electing a Liberal minority government.

Trudeau initially asked former governor general David Johnston to act as special rapporteur to investigate the foreign interference issue and recommend whether an inquiry was necessary. Johnston recommended against an inquiry, but then quit his post in June after several votes in Parliament calling on him to resign and complaints that he had a conflict of interest in the decision.

When Johnston quit, Trudeau said his government would work with the opposition to consider a possible inquiry. “We know that a robust inquiry into foreign interference of all different types is really important for democracy and that’s why we’re moving forward with that,” he said.

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said the prime minister remains the hold up in getting an inquiry underway. “We gave them names. We gave him a mandate and we’ve been waiting ever since. The holdup is Justin Trudeau. Only Justin Trudeau has the authority to call a public inquiry, as leader of the opposition, I have no authority under the inquiries act.”

Poilievre said Trudeau’s party benefited the most from China’s interference and he questions if the prime minister really wants to address the problem.

He said a Conservative government would immediately call a public inquiry and would implement a foreign agent registry, which he said the Liberals have also been dragging their feet on.

On Friday, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May complained about the access to top-secret documents she received after receiving a security clearance to review information about foreign interference.

When Johnston issued his report arguing against a public inquiry he also said the government should allow opposition leaders to view all the top-secret material he had viewed. Johnston came to the conclusion that while there was foreign interference in Canada’s elections, it did not tip the balance of the election and the prime minister did not fail to act.

May said she wasn’t given all the information she needed to judge Johnston’s conclusion.

Trudeau was asked about the issue Monday and said Public Safety Minister Dominic Leblanc was looking into May’s concerns.

As he started a three-day cabinet retreat, Trudeau was also asked about the protests he has attracted and the anti-trudeau flags and bumper stickers that have become prevalent in the country.

Trudeau said he understands the pandemic was a challenging time for people.
“Since the pandemic in particular, we’ve seen an increase in polarization of frustration and anxiety and mental health pressures on a whole lot of people right across the country,” he said. “Don’t write off Canadians just because they choose to wave a nasty flag.”
 

Foreign interference inquiry is coming, prime minister says​

Details being worked out: Trudeau​

  • National Post - 22 Aug 2023 - Ryan Tumilty National Post
David Johnston resigned his post as special rapporteur on foreign interference in June. When Johnston quit, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his government would consider a possible public inquiry.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau insisted Monday his government is committed to a full public inquiry on foreign interference, but is still working through the details with opposition parties, giving no date for when an inquiry might get underway.
Trudeau was asked about the potential inquiry at a cabinet retreat in Prince Edward Island on Monday. He said they’re working on it, but want a process everyone will stand behind.

“We continue to work very closely with all opposition parties on making sure that the terms of reference, the person who will be leading it, and the work that is done, is in the best interests of all Canadians; that they are able to do the work without the kind of partisan toxicity we saw.”

Earlier this year, multiple reports emerged that China had made efforts to influence the outcome of the 2019 and 2021 elections. In the case of the 2021 elections, it is suggested the Chinese government attempted to use misinformation to sway results in several ridings, with the overall goal of electing a Liberal minority government.

Trudeau initially asked former governor general David Johnston to act as special rapporteur to investigate the foreign interference issue and recommend whether an inquiry was necessary. Johnston recommended against an inquiry, but then quit his post in June after several votes in Parliament calling on him to resign and complaints that he had a conflict of interest in the decision.

When Johnston quit, Trudeau said his government would work with the opposition to consider a possible inquiry. “We know that a robust inquiry into foreign interference of all different types is really important for democracy and that’s why we’re moving forward with that,” he said.

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said the prime minister remains the hold up in getting an inquiry underway. “We gave them names. We gave him a mandate and we’ve been waiting ever since. The holdup is Justin Trudeau. Only Justin Trudeau has the authority to call a public inquiry, as leader of the opposition, I have no authority under the inquiries act.”

Poilievre said Trudeau’s party benefited the most from China’s interference and he questions if the prime minister really wants to address the problem.

He said a Conservative government would immediately call a public inquiry and would implement a foreign agent registry, which he said the Liberals have also been dragging their feet on.

On Friday, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May complained about the access to top-secret documents she received after receiving a security clearance to review information about foreign interference.

When Johnston issued his report arguing against a public inquiry he also said the government should allow opposition leaders to view all the top-secret material he had viewed. Johnston came to the conclusion that while there was foreign interference in Canada’s elections, it did not tip the balance of the election and the prime minister did not fail to act.

May said she wasn’t given all the information she needed to judge Johnston’s conclusion.

Trudeau was asked about the issue Monday and said Public Safety Minister Dominic Leblanc was looking into May’s concerns.

As he started a three-day cabinet retreat, Trudeau was also asked about the protests he has attracted and the anti-trudeau flags and bumper stickers that have become prevalent in the country.

Trudeau said he understands the pandemic was a challenging time for people.
“Since the pandemic in particular, we’ve seen an increase in polarization of frustration and anxiety and mental health pressures on a whole lot of people right across the country,” he said. “Don’t write off Canadians just because they choose to wave a nasty flag.”
nice of him to allow me to remain a Canadian even though I wave a dump Trudeau (nasty) flag.
 
Sam Cooper interviews Port Coquitlam mayor Brad West, one of the harshest critics of Beijing in Canadian politics, about efforts by the Chinese consulate in Vancouver and United Front efforts by astro-turf organizations in the Chinese community to find a candidate to unseat him in last year’s election. Since he was acclaimed, the Liberals will likely argue that because Beijing was unsuccessful, then everything is fine. West, who is aligned with the NDP, feels this is a critical issue.

 

Foreign interference inquiry is coming, prime minister says​

Details being worked out: Trudeau​

  • National Post - 22 Aug 2023 - Ryan Tumilty National Post
David Johnston resigned his post as special rapporteur on foreign interference in June. When Johnston quit, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said his government would consider a possible public inquiry.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau insisted Monday his government is committed to a full public inquiry on foreign interference, but is still working through the details with opposition parties, giving no date for when an inquiry might get underway.
Trudeau was asked about the potential inquiry at a cabinet retreat in Prince Edward Island on Monday. He said they’re working on it, but want a process everyone will stand behind.

“We continue to work very closely with all opposition parties on making sure that the terms of reference, the person who will be leading it, and the work that is done, is in the best interests of all Canadians; that they are able to do the work without the kind of partisan toxicity we saw.”

Earlier this year, multiple reports emerged that China had made efforts to influence the outcome of the 2019 and 2021 elections. In the case of the 2021 elections, it is suggested the Chinese government attempted to use misinformation to sway results in several ridings, with the overall goal of electing a Liberal minority government.

Trudeau initially asked former governor general David Johnston to act as special rapporteur to investigate the foreign interference issue and recommend whether an inquiry was necessary. Johnston recommended against an inquiry, but then quit his post in June after several votes in Parliament calling on him to resign and complaints that he had a conflict of interest in the decision.

When Johnston quit, Trudeau said his government would work with the opposition to consider a possible inquiry. “We know that a robust inquiry into foreign interference of all different types is really important for democracy and that’s why we’re moving forward with that,” he said.

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said the prime minister remains the hold up in getting an inquiry underway. “We gave them names. We gave him a mandate and we’ve been waiting ever since. The holdup is Justin Trudeau. Only Justin Trudeau has the authority to call a public inquiry, as leader of the opposition, I have no authority under the inquiries act.”

Poilievre said Trudeau’s party benefited the most from China’s interference and he questions if the prime minister really wants to address the problem.

He said a Conservative government would immediately call a public inquiry and would implement a foreign agent registry, which he said the Liberals have also been dragging their feet on.

On Friday, Green Party Leader Elizabeth May complained about the access to top-secret documents she received after receiving a security clearance to review information about foreign interference.

When Johnston issued his report arguing against a public inquiry he also said the government should allow opposition leaders to view all the top-secret material he had viewed. Johnston came to the conclusion that while there was foreign interference in Canada’s elections, it did not tip the balance of the election and the prime minister did not fail to act.

May said she wasn’t given all the information she needed to judge Johnston’s conclusion.

Trudeau was asked about the issue Monday and said Public Safety Minister Dominic Leblanc was looking into May’s concerns.

As he started a three-day cabinet retreat, Trudeau was also asked about the protests he has attracted and the anti-trudeau flags and bumper stickers that have become prevalent in the country.

Trudeau said he understands the pandemic was a challenging time for people.
“Since the pandemic in particular, we’ve seen an increase in polarization of frustration and anxiety and mental health pressures on a whole lot of people right across the country,” he said. “Don’t write off Canadians just because they choose to wave a nasty flag.”
Don't believe him. Just weasel words to placate the media.
And typically, blaming the pandemic, where his own actions and dictates are the actual culprit. The only divisivness, created by the Covid, were all products of his own personal character and conflated ego.
 
Don't believe him. Just weasel words to placate the media.
And typically, blaming the pandemic, where his own actions and dictates are the actual culprit. The only divisivness, created by the Covid, were all products of his own personal character and conflated ego.
Well it was COVID’s turn. Harper and the Freedom Convoy were getting a bit overused…even Trudeau knows when it’s time to freshen up your blame (someone else) game.
 
Another story of CCP allied Tories calling to raise funds to sue journalists investigating CCP interference and to go soft on China.


A Canadian politician with great influence in the Chinese Conservative community openly praised the Liberal Party of Canada (LPC) because the Liberals are soft on China.

Joe Li (李国贤), Regional Councillor of Markham & York Region, made this statement during a news conference on August 2, 2023, in Toronto organized by the Chinese Canadian Conservative Association (CCCA, 加拿大华人保守党协会), according to a video clip posted on the Youtube channel “TorontoTV”.
Key takeaways from Li’s speech:

  1. It is right to be soft on China and wrong to be tough on China. No matter if you are Liberals or Conservatives, Canada or U.S., this rule applies to all.
  2. When China breaks international law (such as trying to change the status quo in the Taiwan Strait), Canada should not stand up to China. When the U.S. stands up to China, Canada should not follow the U.S.
  3. Making money is more important than sticking to international law in politics.
 
Another story of CCP allied Tories calling to raise funds to sue journalists investigating CCP interference and to go soft on China.

Perhaps this so called "Canadian" needs to be sent packing. Strip him of his senatorial privileges and denounce his actions very publicly...like they did in the old USSR and oh.....China.
What does the leader of the Tories say to this a$$hat senator?
 
Perhaps this so called "Canadian" needs to be sent packing. Strip him of his senatorial privileges and denounce his actions very publicly...like they did in the old USSR and oh.....China.
What does the leader of the Tories say to this a$$hat senator?

So far, crickets.
 
File this under "That was then. This is now."

The Conservative Party of Canada is calling on Guilbeault to immediately resign as executive vice chair of that group and cut its funding.

"Canada's leaders should not hold formal positions in groups run by foreign governments," the party said in a media statement.

"If Minister Guilbeault insists on travelling to Beijing, he should firmly and vocally denounce Beijing's interference in Canada's democracy."

Ottawa has earmarked $16 million for the council from 2017 until 2026, according to Guilbeault's office.

Guilbeault called the Conservatives' position "extremely hypocritical." He said former Conservative environment minister Peter Kent, a longtime cabinet colleague of the party's current leader Pierre Poilievre, held the same position on the CCICED and visited China for council meetings.


Here's the starting line up for the CCICED.


The Chairperson is

Ding Xuexiang was endorsed as China’s Vice Premier at the 14th National People’s Congress in March 2023. Xuexiang is currently a member of the Standing Committee of the Chinese Communist Party’s “Central Committee Political Bureau” and secretary of the Working Committee of the “Central Party and State Institutions”.

 
Trudeau said he understands the pandemic was a challenging time for people.
“Since the pandemic in particular, we’ve seen an increase in polarization of frustration and anxiety and mental health pressures on a whole lot of people right across the country,” he said. “Don’t write off Canadians just because they choose to wave a nasty flag.”


Polarization, frustration, anxiety and mental health problems are all products of trudeau's state of mind and divisive agenda to keep Canadians fighting each other. No one else. This is what he does though. He'll create division and hate and then try lay the blame at Poliviere's, or somebody elses feet. It's his regular Monday morning schtick.

As for those 'nasty' flags? I don't find them nasty at all. I find them hilarious, topical and spot on. Fuck Trudeau is a base emotion of people that have done everything asked of them, only to be pigeon holed and vilified by a stateless, whiny millionaire with a persecution complex. It is a way of being heard without being jailed as a domestic terrorist or having your bank account seized. At least not yet anyway.
 
An economically crippled China might be even more dangerous and unpredictable than a prosperous and confident China:

A Crisis of Confidence Is Gripping China’s Economy​

China’s economy, which once seemed unstoppable, is plagued by a series of problems, and a growing lack of faith in the future is verging on despair.

Earlier this year, David Yang was brimming with confidence about the prospects for his perfume factory in eastern China.

After nearly three years of paralyzing Covid lockdowns, China had lifted its restrictions in late 2022. The economy seemed destined to roar back to life. Mr. Yang and his two business partners invested more than $60,000 in March to expand production capacity at the factory, expecting a wave of growth.

But the new business never materialized. In fact, it’s worse. People are not spending, he said, and orders are one-third of what they were five years ago.

“It is disheartening,” Mr. Yang said. “The economy is really going downhill right now.”

For much of the past four decades, China’s economy seemed like an unstoppable force, the engine behind the country’s rise to a global superpower. But the economy is now plagued by a series of crises. A real estate crisis born from years of overbuilding and excessive borrowing is running alongside a larger debt crisis, while young people are struggling with record joblessness. And amid the drip feed of bad economic news, a new crisis is emerging: a crisis of confidence.

A growing lack of faith in the future of the Chinese economy is verging on despair. Consumers are holding back on spending. Businesses are reluctant to invest and create jobs. And would-be entrepreneurs are not starting new businesses.

“Low confidence is a major issue in the Chinese economy now,” said Larry Hu, chief China economist for Macquarie Group, an Australian financial services firm.

Mr. Hu said the erosion of confidence was fueling a downward spiral that fed on itself. Chinese consumers aren’t spending because they are worried about job prospects, while companies are cutting costs and holding back on hiring because consumers aren’t spending.

In the past few weeks, investors have pulled more than $10 billion out of China’s stock markets. On Thursday, China’s top securities regulator summoned executives at the country’s national pension funds, top banks and insurers to pressure them to invest more in Chinese stocks, according to Caixin, an economics magazine. Last week, stocks in Hong Kong fell into a bear market, down more than 20 percent from their high in January.
From its resilience to past challenges, China forged a deep belief in its economy and its state-controlled model. It rebounded quickly in 2009 from the global financial meltdown, and in spectacular fashion. It weathered a Trump administration trade war and proved its indispensability. When the pandemic dragged down the rest of the world, China’s economy bounced back with vigor. The Global Times, a mouthpiece for the Chinese Communist Party, declared in 2022 that China was the “unstoppable miracle.”


 
Two interesting commentaries about the PLA: competency; and corruption


There is a comment made in this video which contradicts the second video - namely conscription. From what I've read the PLA is able to sustain itself through a process of voluntary conscription. The issue is that the second video makes a comment that implies that someone needs to bribe even the lowest entry soldier position to have it.


The level of corruption is shocking, if this is true. It would appear to even surpass the Russians, but if course I can't really say.

Summary - if the video contents are true
The fact is the PLA has not fought a real war in about 40 years, the last one being the Sino - Vietnamese War in 1979 where the battle harden Viet defeated the Chinese. Their level of compentency to plan and execute any large scale military operation is questionable. When coupled with the high levels of corruption, at all levels, the personal, eqpt/wpn and materiel readiness is doubtful. However they still pose a dangerous threat to the West and other nations in Pacific region.
 
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