Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread

[MilEME09]

Why would Russia or China need to pay 'non-state actors' to engage American forces in Afghanistan, when the Taliban have been doing so for almost 20yrs now out of their own ideology?

Money can be a big motivation, turned farmers into fighters against us after all.

 

[shawn5o]

Xi Jinping Orders Chinese Army to Prepare for War ‘at Any Second’

BEN WHEDON5 Jan 2021

Chinese dictator Xi Jinping on Monday issued orders to the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to prepare to “act at any second” and
maintain “full-time combat readiness,” the South China Morning Post (SCMP) reported Tuesday.

Xi previously tightened his personal control of the PLA, using his position as chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC)
to appoint loyal officers and clean out suspect personnel under the guise of an anti-corruption campaign.

More at https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/01/05/xi-jinping-orders-pla-prepare-war-any-second/

 

[Weinie]

Xi Jinping Orders Chinese Army to Prepare for War ‘at Any Second’

BEN WHEDON5 Jan 2021

Chinese dictator Xi Jinping on Monday issued orders to the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to prepare to “act at any second” and
maintain “full-time combat readiness,” the South China Morning Post (SCMP) reported Tuesday.

Xi previously tightened his personal control of the PLA, using his position as chairman of the Central Military Commission (CMC)
to appoint loyal officers and clean out suspect personnel under the guise of an anti-corruption campaign.

More at https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/01/05/xi-jinping-orders-pla-prepare-war-any-second/

Shawn,

Have you really gone this far in your belief of what is on the Internet? Are you engaging in confirmatory bias to the point that you are not being objective ?

I am asking this because the actual events that happened between Chinese and Indian troops is the exact opposite of what the Breitbart story purports, and has been known for some months now.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

It would not be the first time domestically aimed propaganda triggered international concerns

Xi & Co. has been busy https://www.dw.com/en/hong-kong-pol...o-democracy-activists-in-crackdown/a-56139138

Where is Jack Ma, China's e-commerce pioneer?

BEIJING — China’s best-known entrepreneur, e-commerce billionaire Jack Ma, made his fortune by taking big risks.The former English teacher founded Alibaba Group in 1999, when China had few internet users. Online payments service Alipay launched five years later, before regulators said such...

ca.finance.yahoo.com

 

[MarkOttawa]

PLAAF’s Xian H-20 stealthy strategic bomber:

First Official Rendering Of China’s H-20 Stealth Bomber Emerges In Glitzy Recruiting Video
A new official People’s Liberation Army Air Force recruiting video ends with a large flying-wing type aircraft shrouded in a white sheet.

A new, slickly-produced recruitment video for China's People's Liberation Army Air Force, or PLAAF, closes with the first official rendering of any kind of the long-rumored H-20 stealth bomber. What we see shows a distinct resemblance to the U.S. Air Force’s B-2 Spirit and the future B-21 Raider, but we don’t know how much this depiction reflects the details of the actual design.

The PLAAF recruiting video first appeared on YouTube on January 5, 2021, and looks to be legitimate. A notice underneath says “CCTV [China Central Television] is funded in whole or in part by the Chinese government.”

Titled “Dream of Youth,” it presents a narrative that follows a single individual as they join China’s air force and become a fighter pilot. At its end, the video takes the viewer into a computer-rendered futuristic-looking hangar containing the stealth bomber, which is first seen under a sheet. This is similar to what we saw in another glitzy video that the state-run Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) released in 2018, which also aped a famous Northrop Grumman Superbowl ad that had teased the aircraft that became known as the B-21. In a reflection on the visor of a helmet, we then see the sheet being pulled off, revealing the front end of the aircraft…

In the meantime, the PLAAF, as well as the People’s Liberation Army Navy, have been actively demonstrating greater competence in longer-range bomber operations, including in exercises together with Russian bombers and from outposts in the contested South China Sea, using new derivatives of the H-6. This includes the still relatively young H-6N, which is designed to carry air-launched ballistic missiles, including ones that might be tipped with hypersonic boost-glide vehicles, and other outsized payloads, such as large high-speed drones, under its fuselage.

However, the underlying H-6 design is dated and can only be expanded upon so much, inherently limiting its utility as a long-range strategic platform, especially in the nuclear deterrent role. Existing reporting suggests that the H-20 will be able to carry 10 tons of munitions and have a maximum unrefueled range of around 5,000 miles, giving it substantially greater reach than any H-6 variant, especially if also armed with long-range land-attack cruise missiles.

The H-20 could also provide a valuable long-range conventional weapons truck of sorts for the PLAAF that has the ability to penetrate deeper into hostile territory to strike critical targets, such as command and control and air defense nodes, as well as airfields and other important infrastructure. This could all help pave the way for follow-on strikes by non-stealthy aircraft, as well.

This kind of capability would present significant new challenges for China’s opponents, including major potential adversaries, such as the United States and India, across the Asia-Pacific region. Modernized H-6s toting very-long-range standoff weapons and a possible future stealthy medium bomber, the latter of which you can read more about in this past War Zone piece, could also complement the H-20s to provide a very capable and flexible array of extended-range aerial strike options. The H-20 could also springboard a new robust leg of the Chinese nuclear deterrent, putting even the U.S. at risk…’

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...lth-bomber-emerges-in-glitzy-recruiting-video

Mark
Ottawa

 

[Cloud Cover]

PLA Air Force SINKEX Ominous for USN and RN Carrier Strike Groups (CSG) at ranges of at least 1500 km and probably further, China successfully test their IRBM and ALCM last year, targeting moving maneuvering vessels (converted freighters) and successfully sunk the vessels In the South China Sea. USN Aegis in area, tracked missiles and noted difficulties in tackling the targets.

https://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0007062412

DF 26 IRBM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-26

https://www.navalnews.com/tag/ch-as-x-13/CH-AS-X-13:​

DF 21 : https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...hed-anti-ship-ballistic-missile-toting-bomber

Obviously target ships can’t fight back and use countermeasures and tactics, but an attack on CSG in sufficient numbers will overwhelm the defences including the AAW escort defences. World War 5 is going to be a doozy as China pursues technology and quantity in its forces.

 

[Weinie]

PLA Air Force SINKEX Ominous for USN and RN Carrier Strike Groups (CSG) at ranges of at least 1500 km and probably further, China successfully test their IRBM and ALCM last year, targeting moving maneuvering vessels (converted freighters) and successfully sunk the vessels In the South China Sea. USN Aegis in area, tracked missiles and noted difficulties in tackling the targets.

https://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0007062412

DF 26 IRBM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-26

https://www.navalnews.com/tag/ch-as-x-13/CH-AS-X-13:​

DF 21 : https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...hed-anti-ship-ballistic-missile-toting-bomber

Obviously target ships can’t fight back and use countermeasures and tactics, but an attack on CSG in sufficient numbers will overwhelm the defences including the AAW escort defences. World War 5 is going to be a doozy as China pursues technology and quantity in its forces.

I have been accused of missing the importance of global events; when exactly was WWIII and IV?

 

[Cloud Cover]

Weinie: it’s need to know, sorry you have to file an ATI and then appeal the denial.
My mistake it’s 3 or III or the next (really) big one.

 

[Weinie]

Weinie: it’s need to know, sorry you have to file an ATI and then appeal the denial.
My mistake it’s 3 or III or the next (really) big one.

OK, Thanks. ATI and appeal being slowly (read never) completed.

Standing by for whatever version of WW (X) occurs.

 

[FJAG]

Now this is getting interesting:

China authorises coast guard to fire on foreign vessels​

Legislation also allows demolition of other countries’ structures built on Chinese-claimed reefs.

23 Jan 2021
China has passed a law that for the first time explicitly allows its coast guard to fire on foreign vessels, a move that could make the contested South China Sea and nearby waters more choppy.
The Coast Guard Law passed on Friday empowers it to “take all necessary measures, including the use of weapons when national sovereignty, sovereign rights, and jurisdiction are being illegally infringed upon by foreign organisations or individuals at sea”.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/23/china-authorises-coast-guard-to-fire-on-foreign-vessels-if

 

[YZT580]

Would this not constitute a virtual declaration of war?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Would this not constitute a virtual declaration of war?

Well, it's a Navy thing.

If you talk to a sailor, it seems they're always ready to open fire on something, for some reason, because 'Laws of the Sea' and all that

 

[FJAG]

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Hmmm, while I don't think they shoot at USN ships, they will shoot at any fishing vessel or other vessels including other Coast Guards trying to protect vessels carrying their flags in contested waters https://www.marinelink.com/news/chi...-01-25&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MR-ENews

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Some Chinese propaganda about one of the incidents in Chinese-Indian conflict.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I'm sure that the families of the 'two Michaels' are watching this with interest:

Vote passes recognizing China’s treatment of Uighurs as genocide​

Canadian lawmakers voted to support a motion formally recognizing China’s treatment of its ethnic Muslim Uighur population as a genocide on Monday.

The Conservative motion passed overwhelmingly in the House of Commons with 266 votes to zero. The Liberal cabinet abstained from voting.

An amendment to the motion, proposed by Bloc Quebecois MP Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe, calling on the International Olympic Committee to move the 2022 Olympic Games out of China if the genocide continues also passed 229 to 29 votes.

The Liberal cabinet’s abstention came on the heels of an already-strained relationship between Canada and China, intensified by the December 2018 arrest of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou at the behest of the U.S. government and the arbitrary detentions of Canadians Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig in what has been widely viewed as retaliation.

Vote passes recognizing China’s treatment of Uyghurs as genocide - National | Globalnews.ca

The Conservative motion passed overwhelmingly in the House of Commons with 266 votes to zero. The Liberal cabinet abstained from voting.

globalnews.ca

 

[ModlrMike]

Stands in stark contrast to M103 which the Liberals so vigorously championed.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Voting bloc eh!

 

[brihard]

I'm sure that the families of the 'two Michaels' are watching this with interest:

Vote passes recognizing China’s treatment of Uighurs as genocide​

Canadian lawmakers voted to support a motion formally recognizing China’s treatment of its ethnic Muslim Uighur population as a genocide on Monday.

The Conservative motion passed overwhelmingly in the House of Commons with 266 votes to zero. The Liberal cabinet abstained from voting.

An amendment to the motion, proposed by Bloc Quebecois MP Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe, calling on the International Olympic Committee to move the 2022 Olympic Games out of China if the genocide continues also passed 229 to 29 votes.

The Liberal cabinet’s abstention came on the heels of an already-strained relationship between Canada and China, intensified by the December 2018 arrest of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou at the behest of the U.S. government and the arbitrary detentions of Canadians Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig in what has been widely viewed as retaliation.

Vote passes recognizing China’s treatment of Uyghurs as genocide - National | Globalnews.ca

The Conservative motion passed overwhelmingly in the House of Commons with 266 votes to zero. The Liberal cabinet abstained from voting.

globalnews.ca

There’s no ‘win’ in the situation of the two Michaels. As a country we either accept being at the mercy of hostage diplomacy, or we don’t. What does the larger national interest command?

 

[Weinie]

There’s no ‘win’ in the situation of the two Michaels. As a country we either accept being at the mercy of hostage diplomacy, or we don’t. What does the larger national interest command?

The larger national interest commands that Canada vociferously, and continually, demands the release of the two Michaels, and economics be damned. Below the radar diplomacy, as has been practiced since WWII, was a viable option during the Cold War, and perhaps up until 2010. With an increasingly belligerent CCP regime, utilizing their DIME-centric approach, Canada needs to disengage, immediately.

There will be short term pains. I would hope they will be offset by a "Canada's Back" re-emergence on the world stage as a dispassionate observer and mentor, with impeccable credentials, as we once were.