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Huge, if it true and a real coup for Xi Jinping; he trumps Trump.
Edited to add: Now the SCMP reports that what Kim and Xi discussed was trhe "complete denuclearization" of the peninsula which means all US nukes must go, too.
At a guess: President Trump, the USA s a whole, cannot and will not accept that, even though both South Korea and Japan might be in favour. That will, likely leave Trump looking, diplomatically, like the guy who doesn't want peace while Xi will be painted, by his own media, as the guy almost got a nuclear free Korea ... but was stabbed in the back by Trump, the racist, Sinophobe, warmonger.
Edited to add: Now the SCMP reports that what Kim and Xi discussed was trhe "complete denuclearization" of the peninsula which means all US nukes must go, too.
At a guess: President Trump, the USA s a whole, cannot and will not accept that, even though both South Korea and Japan might be in favour. That will, likely leave Trump looking, diplomatically, like the guy who doesn't want peace while Xi will be painted, by his own media, as the guy almost got a nuclear free Korea ... but was stabbed in the back by Trump, the racist, Sinophobe, warmonger.
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So, it appears that what North Korean leader Kim Jong-un put on the table about "denuclearization" was nothing more than what has been there for decades: he is, probably, I'm guessing willing to decommission his nuclear weapons programme IF, but only if the USA removes ALL of its nuclear weapons from South Korea ... denuclearization, in other words, means for everyone on the entire Korean peninsula.
Two articles in Foreign Affairs pertain:
First, Toby Dalton and Ariel Levite say, in "When Trump Meets Kim Jong Un; A Realistic Option for Negotiating With North Korea" that there is a spectrum of possibilities: "On one end of the spectrum is the popular notion of denuclearizing North Korea, which usually means complete, verifiable, and irreversible dismantlement of North Korea’s nuclear capabilities, or CVID. Although professing nominal commitment to this goal, Kim appears to be conditioning it on such formidable requirements that it is extremely unlikely his regime will actually pursue this in any meaningful time frame, no matter how hard the United States sanctions, threatens, or incentivizes it. Kim believes it would be suicidal to give up his “existential” deterrent, so complete denuclearization is simply not on the table today ... [but] ... Even if it were negotiable in the near term, CVID is based on an outdated understanding of North Korea’s nuclear enterprise. When the U.S. government developed the CVID concept in the mid-2000s, North Korea had conducted just one nuclear explosion test and its long-range ballistic missile program was still in its infancy. North Korea’s technical progress over the intervening decade—five additional nuclear tests and dozens of missile flights—means that a more sophisticated and intrusive approach to rolling back its dangerous capabilities is needed." But, they say, "On the other end of the spectrum, and what North Korea might accept following a summit, is a simple temporary suspension of nuclear and missile flight testing, as Russia has suggested, for which Kim would still demand some sanctions relief or other incentive. But the Trump administration would immediately reject such a minimalist concession. After all, Pyongyang’s unchecked arsenal is already worrisome, and it can continue to grow and improve without full-scale tests;" and
Second, Oriana Skylar Mastro writes, in "Why China Won’t Rescue North Korea; What to Expect If Things Fall Apart" that "U.S. officials have long agreed with Mao Zedong’s famous formulation about relations between China and North Korea: the two countries are like “lips and teeth.” Pyongyang depends heavily on Beijing for energy, food, and most of its meager trade with the outside world, and so successive U.S. administrations have tried to enlist the Chinese in their attempts to denuclearize North Korea. U.S. President Donald Trump has bought into this logic, alternately pleading for Chinese help and threatening action if China does not do more. In the same vein, policymakers have assumed that if North Korea collapsed or became embroiled in a war with the United States, China would try to support its cherished client from afar, and potentially even deploy troops along the border to prevent a refugee crisis from spilling over into China ... [but] ... But this thinking is dangerously out of date. Over the last two decades, Chinese relations with North Korea have deteriorated drastically behind the scenes, as China has tired of North Korea’s insolent behavior and reassessed its own interests on the peninsula. Today, China is no longer wedded to North Korea’s survival. In the event of a conflict or the regime’s collapse, Chinese forces would intervene to a degree not previously expected—not to protect Beijing’s supposed ally but to secure its own interests."
I suspect that the latter consideration is what drove Kim Jong-un to visit Beijing. My guess is that he and his inner circle ~ much of which I think is on China's payroll, already ~ understand that they need Xi Jinping much, Much, MUCH more than he needs North Korea.
While I believe that a war on the Asian mainland that involves the USA would be both:
1. A regional geo-strategic, political, economic and social disaster of the first order; and
2. Unwinnable unless the word "win" has taken on a whole new meaning;
I do not, for even a µsecond, discount the possibility that the new Trump Team in Washington is (relatively) unconcerned about potential consequences and is, instead, focused on immediate "returns."
If, and it's a big, Big IF, my readings of the East Asian tea leaves are correct, then I think that:
1. Kim requested this meeting because he knows that ~
a. He's being backed, father and father, into a corner fro which there is only one exit: a nuclear war that will shatter the whole Korean peninsula
and kill him, and
b. He needs Chinese backing to face President Trump; and
2. Xi Jinping agreed to the meeting because ~
a. He needs ~ for his on geo-strategic purposes ~ to be "in" this process IF it results in anything other than a war ... and he believes that he
can prevent Kim, at least, from launching such a thing ~ by having him, Kim Jong-un, killed if that's what it takes, and
b. He needs to keep President Trump off balance.
What does President Trump need?
I think he needs a quick, domestic, public relations success in which he can be seen as having done something useful. Thus far his presidency has been a massive, doltish failure. he needs to show America ~ no one else really cares ... the world fears Donald Trump but it doesn't care about him ~ that he can make a deal. He is, of course, a lousy, failed businessman who can only make deals when he has a bankruptcy court behind him. He simply doesn't know how to make deals, he's a serial bankrupt who inherited the base of his fortune from his father, Fredrick Trump, who was, actually, a successful real estate developer. If he wants to be re-elected in 2020 he needs to show his base, and others, that he has managed, at least, to do something right ... that something may be what Toby Dalton and Ariel Levite describe as "comprehensive and verified capping of North Korea’s threatening strategic capabilities and activities." Such a "broad cap" they say "could serve the medium-term interests of the United States and its two allies, Japan and South Korea, while also finding acceptance in China and North Korea." All President Trump rally needs is for the world to let its breath out ... to stop fearing that a nuclear war is just around the corner.
Xi Jinping, however, has other goals.
He is, I think, trying to position himself as the wise and trusted Paramount Leader of a great, peace loving nation. He wants China to displace America as the world's "indispensable nation" and he intends to be in power when that happens. Xi can afford to "play" a longer "game" .. he doesn't have to face re-election or possible impeachment. He will be happy with almost any deal, short of war, because he will receive credit for pushing Kim to the bargaining table.
I think that Xi Jinping, not Kim Jong-un is responsible for the "offer" to denuclearize the Korean peninsula ... the offer will be immensely popular in both Japan and South Korea and, indeed, throughout and even beyond Asia. It cannot be accepted but the blame that will be shard, equally, between Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump.
Two articles in Foreign Affairs pertain:
First, Toby Dalton and Ariel Levite say, in "When Trump Meets Kim Jong Un; A Realistic Option for Negotiating With North Korea" that there is a spectrum of possibilities: "On one end of the spectrum is the popular notion of denuclearizing North Korea, which usually means complete, verifiable, and irreversible dismantlement of North Korea’s nuclear capabilities, or CVID. Although professing nominal commitment to this goal, Kim appears to be conditioning it on such formidable requirements that it is extremely unlikely his regime will actually pursue this in any meaningful time frame, no matter how hard the United States sanctions, threatens, or incentivizes it. Kim believes it would be suicidal to give up his “existential” deterrent, so complete denuclearization is simply not on the table today ... [but] ... Even if it were negotiable in the near term, CVID is based on an outdated understanding of North Korea’s nuclear enterprise. When the U.S. government developed the CVID concept in the mid-2000s, North Korea had conducted just one nuclear explosion test and its long-range ballistic missile program was still in its infancy. North Korea’s technical progress over the intervening decade—five additional nuclear tests and dozens of missile flights—means that a more sophisticated and intrusive approach to rolling back its dangerous capabilities is needed." But, they say, "On the other end of the spectrum, and what North Korea might accept following a summit, is a simple temporary suspension of nuclear and missile flight testing, as Russia has suggested, for which Kim would still demand some sanctions relief or other incentive. But the Trump administration would immediately reject such a minimalist concession. After all, Pyongyang’s unchecked arsenal is already worrisome, and it can continue to grow and improve without full-scale tests;" and
Second, Oriana Skylar Mastro writes, in "Why China Won’t Rescue North Korea; What to Expect If Things Fall Apart" that "U.S. officials have long agreed with Mao Zedong’s famous formulation about relations between China and North Korea: the two countries are like “lips and teeth.” Pyongyang depends heavily on Beijing for energy, food, and most of its meager trade with the outside world, and so successive U.S. administrations have tried to enlist the Chinese in their attempts to denuclearize North Korea. U.S. President Donald Trump has bought into this logic, alternately pleading for Chinese help and threatening action if China does not do more. In the same vein, policymakers have assumed that if North Korea collapsed or became embroiled in a war with the United States, China would try to support its cherished client from afar, and potentially even deploy troops along the border to prevent a refugee crisis from spilling over into China ... [but] ... But this thinking is dangerously out of date. Over the last two decades, Chinese relations with North Korea have deteriorated drastically behind the scenes, as China has tired of North Korea’s insolent behavior and reassessed its own interests on the peninsula. Today, China is no longer wedded to North Korea’s survival. In the event of a conflict or the regime’s collapse, Chinese forces would intervene to a degree not previously expected—not to protect Beijing’s supposed ally but to secure its own interests."
I suspect that the latter consideration is what drove Kim Jong-un to visit Beijing. My guess is that he and his inner circle ~ much of which I think is on China's payroll, already ~ understand that they need Xi Jinping much, Much, MUCH more than he needs North Korea.
While I believe that a war on the Asian mainland that involves the USA would be both:
1. A regional geo-strategic, political, economic and social disaster of the first order; and
2. Unwinnable unless the word "win" has taken on a whole new meaning;
I do not, for even a µsecond, discount the possibility that the new Trump Team in Washington is (relatively) unconcerned about potential consequences and is, instead, focused on immediate "returns."
If, and it's a big, Big IF, my readings of the East Asian tea leaves are correct, then I think that:
1. Kim requested this meeting because he knows that ~
a. He's being backed, father and father, into a corner fro which there is only one exit: a nuclear war that will shatter the whole Korean peninsula
and kill him, and
b. He needs Chinese backing to face President Trump; and
2. Xi Jinping agreed to the meeting because ~
a. He needs ~ for his on geo-strategic purposes ~ to be "in" this process IF it results in anything other than a war ... and he believes that he
can prevent Kim, at least, from launching such a thing ~ by having him, Kim Jong-un, killed if that's what it takes, and
b. He needs to keep President Trump off balance.
What does President Trump need?
I think he needs a quick, domestic, public relations success in which he can be seen as having done something useful. Thus far his presidency has been a massive, doltish failure. he needs to show America ~ no one else really cares ... the world fears Donald Trump but it doesn't care about him ~ that he can make a deal. He is, of course, a lousy, failed businessman who can only make deals when he has a bankruptcy court behind him. He simply doesn't know how to make deals, he's a serial bankrupt who inherited the base of his fortune from his father, Fredrick Trump, who was, actually, a successful real estate developer. If he wants to be re-elected in 2020 he needs to show his base, and others, that he has managed, at least, to do something right ... that something may be what Toby Dalton and Ariel Levite describe as "comprehensive and verified capping of North Korea’s threatening strategic capabilities and activities." Such a "broad cap" they say "could serve the medium-term interests of the United States and its two allies, Japan and South Korea, while also finding acceptance in China and North Korea." All President Trump rally needs is for the world to let its breath out ... to stop fearing that a nuclear war is just around the corner.
Xi Jinping, however, has other goals.
He is, I think, trying to position himself as the wise and trusted Paramount Leader of a great, peace loving nation. He wants China to displace America as the world's "indispensable nation" and he intends to be in power when that happens. Xi can afford to "play" a longer "game" .. he doesn't have to face re-election or possible impeachment. He will be happy with almost any deal, short of war, because he will receive credit for pushing Kim to the bargaining table.
I think that Xi Jinping, not Kim Jong-un is responsible for the "offer" to denuclearize the Korean peninsula ... the offer will be immensely popular in both Japan and South Korea and, indeed, throughout and even beyond Asia. It cannot be accepted but the blame that will be shard, equally, between Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump.
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E.R. Campbell said:
I'm confused- the US apparently hasn't had nuclear weapons in South Korea since 1991. How can the US further "denuclearize" the Peninsula?
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SeaKingTacco: By abandoning its treaty obligation to defend the South?
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MarkOttawa said:
I suppose. But that also means removing US troops from South Korea, right?
If the US does that, it does not mean that North Korea would invade the very next day (I am of the opinion that North Korea is conventional force paper tiger and is in capable of successfully invading South Korea. Even Kim must know that.). Would lead to the reunification of Korea, eventually? Who knows?
The US leaving South Korea would reorder the balance of power in Southeast Asia in favour of China. Which would cause the Japanese to question their relationship with the US and possibly lead them to do, what?
Lots of interesting possibilities.
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As I think I might, just barely, understand it ~ and see this in the South China Morning Post for more details, Kim wants "assurances" ~ which may well involve at least a pledge to withdraw US troops, eventually ~ but he's unlikely to offer much that is anywhere near "complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization."
My guess is that Xi put the words in Kim's mouth; he, Xi Jinping, has nothing to lose and, potentially, if President Trump in his haste to show that he can do some sort of a "deal" makes a strategic mistake ~ highly likely in my opinion 'cause he's a dimwit, a lot to gain.
My guess is that Xi put the words in Kim's mouth; he, Xi Jinping, has nothing to lose and, potentially, if President Trump in his haste to show that he can do some sort of a "deal" makes a strategic mistake ~ highly likely in my opinion 'cause he's a dimwit, a lot to gain.
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Life for USN carrier groups off China, and USAF/USMC bases, could get more complicated:
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Revealed: China's Nuclear-Capable Air-Launched Ballistic Missile
China is developing a nuclear-capable air-launched ballistic missile, likely based off the DF-21.
China is developing and has been flight-testing a nuclear-capable air-launched ballistic missile (ALBM) along with a new long-range strategic bomber to deliver it, The Diplomat has learned.
According to U.S. government sources with knowledge of the latest intelligence assessments on the Chinese People’s Liberation Army, China has conducted five flight tests of the unnamed missile. The U.S. intelligence community is calling the new missile the CH-AS-X-13.
The missile was first tested in December 2016 and was most recently tested in the last week of January 2018, according to one source. In recent years, the directors of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) have made reference to this nuclear-capable ALBM in their two most recent on-record worldwide threat assessments.
The two most recent tests of the system involved aerial launches off a modified H-6K strategic bomber capable of being refueled while in the air.
The new bomber, dubbed the H6X1/H-6N by the U.S. intelligence community, has been modified from standard variant H-6s for the ALBM delivery mission. The modifications have been made by Xi’an Aircraft Industrial Corporation, the manufacturer of all H-6 bomber variants since the late-1950s. The H6X1/H-6N may have been the subject of speculation in August 2017, when an image of an unidentified H-6 variant appeared on Chinese social media.
The CH-AS-X-13, meanwhile, is a two-stage, solid-fuel ballistic missile with a 3,000 kilometer range; it is likely a variant of the DF-21 medium-range ballistic missile. The missile may use lighter weight composite materials in its airframe to reduce the necessary carry weight for the bomber.
The H6X1/H-6N is assessed to have a combat radius of nearly 6,000 kilometers — a significant improvement from older H-6 variants. As a system for nuclear delivery, the CH-AS-X-13 on the H6X1/H-6N, assuming a launch from the edge of the bomber’s combat radius, will be capable of threatening targets in the contiguous United States, Hawaii, and Alaska.
According to a source who spoke with The Diplomat, the U.S. intelligence community assesses that the CH-AS-X-13 will be ready for deployment by 2025.
This is in line with a September 2016 announcement by People’s Liberation Army Air Force General Ma Xiaotan, referenced in the U.S. Department of Defense’s 2017 report on Chinese military power, that China would develop a new generation of long-range strategic bombers to be deployed around the mid-2020s.
Aside from the H6X1/H-6N, China has developed the H-6 into a range of support and attack roles. The H-6K, for instance, is capable of delivering standoff range CJ-20 land-attack cruise missiles with precision guidance. These bombers have conducted missions across the so-called First Island Chain, into the western Pacific.
Additionally, the People’s Liberation Army Navy operates the H-6G, which is designed for anti-ship and maritime support missions.
In recent years, senior U.S. intelligence officials have acknowledged the development of a nuclear-capable ALBM in China...
https://thediplomat.com/2018/04/revealed-chinas-nuclear-capable-air-launched-ballistic-missile/
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From lengthy CSIS piece (the US one most people outside Canada know)--has video, further links at original:
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Does China’s J-20 rival other stealth fighters?
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How might China utilize the J-20
The J-20 has the potential to considerably enhance China’s regional military strength. According to a 2014 U.S. Naval War College report, an operational stealth fighter would “immediately become the most advanced aircraft deployed by any East Asian Power,” surpassing the aircraft fielded in India, Japan, Australia, Indonesia, or Taiwan. The U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission advances a similar assessment, noting that the arrival of the J-20 will enhance China’s military leverage against opposing forces in the region. With the J-20 expected become fully operational in the next couple of years, the PLAAF has a considerable head start over the Indian, Japanese, and Korean air forces, which are not slated to put their locally-made advanced fighter counterparts into service until the 2020s.
Opinions vary about the J-20’s comparative strengths as an air superiority (air-to-air) fighter or a strike (air-to-ground) aircraft. Some analysts believe that the J-20’s emphasis on frontal stealth makes it an effective long-range interceptor, meant for mid-air engagements. Others see the J-20 as a long-range strike aircraft, best suited for penetrating enemy air defenses and damaging critical infrastructure on the ground. Such high-value targets would include airfields, command bases, and other military installations. Some have also noted that if outfitted with long-range air-to-air missiles, the J-20 could be utilized to target foreign intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) and refueling aircraft. A 2015 RAND report noted the J-20’s “combination of forward stealth and long range could hold U.S. Navy surface assets at risk, and that a long-range maritime strike capability may be a cause for greater concern than a short-range air-superiority fighter like the F-22.” The J-20’s size and weapons configuration may, however, preclude it from functioning as an effective strike fighter in either context. Importantly, the mission types Chinese pilots are trained for may determine how the J-20 is eventually utilized...
https://chinapower.csis.org/china-chengdu-j-20/
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PLA Navy definitely sending message (all the more reason for JMSDF to turn big Izumo-class "helicopter destroyers" into F-35B carriers http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/japan-could-buy-f-35bs-put-them-their-sort-aircraft-carriers-24985 ):
Photos from a tweet:
https://twitter.com/NavyVessels/status/987513630215188481
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Photos from a tweet:
https://twitter.com/NavyVessels/status/987513630215188481
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Lawrence Solomon: China has declared economic war against us — and we’re helping them win
The West has been China's financier and enabler, fecklessly comforting ourselves with the gains gotten from cheaper consumer goods, and putting out of mind the long-term pains that await us
China is systematically hollowing out the West’s industries, not just toys and T-shirts, as was the case decades ago, but increasingly strategic industries vital to national security. China isn’t succeeding simply because of its comparative advantage in cheap labour. It’s succeeding because of its comparative advantage elsewhere — in its ability to overwhelm target industries using the power of the state
http://vancouversun.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-china-has-declared-economic-war-against-us-and-were-helping-them-win/wcm/f11d724d-c84e-489b-921f-f5be1eefc125
The West has been China's financier and enabler, fecklessly comforting ourselves with the gains gotten from cheaper consumer goods, and putting out of mind the long-term pains that await us
China is systematically hollowing out the West’s industries, not just toys and T-shirts, as was the case decades ago, but increasingly strategic industries vital to national security. China isn’t succeeding simply because of its comparative advantage in cheap labour. It’s succeeding because of its comparative advantage elsewhere — in its ability to overwhelm target industries using the power of the state
http://vancouversun.com/opinion/lawrence-solomon-china-has-declared-economic-war-against-us-and-were-helping-them-win/wcm/f11d724d-c84e-489b-921f-f5be1eefc125
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daftandbarmy said:
Which is, roughly, what we said about Germany and Japan fiftyish years ago ... remember the brouaha when Sony bought the US movie studios?
It's also, of course, what the Brits said about the upstart Germans and Americans in the 1870s ...
Now, China is bigger ... bigger than Japan and Germany and the EU and USA combined, so the impact as it "rises," again, is going to be quite marked.
The Chinese and the Indians are, both, emulating late 19th century America: they are trying to "home grow" their economy so that they can make everything they need; that sort of protectionism works in the short term, in the mid to long term it seems to fail ~ at least it does by my reading of economic history over the past 1,000 years or so.
A little PAO info from this mornings email.
RUSSIA AND CHINA MILITARIES REACH ‘NEW HEIGHTS’ TOGETHER, AGREE TO CHALLENGE U.S. IN MIDDLE EAST
http://www.newsweek.com/china-russia-military-reach-new-heights-together-agree-challenge-us-middle-899689
(Newsweek, 24 April 18) Russia and China have pledged to strengthen their bilateral military and political ties as part of a strategic cooperation that challenges U.S. interests, especially to Washington's stance on Middle East allies Syria and Iran.
RUSSIA AND CHINA MILITARIES REACH ‘NEW HEIGHTS’ TOGETHER, AGREE TO CHALLENGE U.S. IN MIDDLE EAST
http://www.newsweek.com/china-russia-military-reach-new-heights-together-agree-challenge-us-middle-899689
(Newsweek, 24 April 18) Russia and China have pledged to strengthen their bilateral military and political ties as part of a strategic cooperation that challenges U.S. interests, especially to Washington's stance on Middle East allies Syria and Iran.
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I usually don't agree with NY Times-man Tom Friedman but he's spot on here--Justin Trudeau and his comprador friends should read this piece:
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A long article (read it at the link) about China's military growth and the "Decade of concern". The issue, according to one naval analyst is China's timetable, with the ability to invade Taiwan by 2020 and 2049 as the possible end date for China to achieve "global hegemony". This is not to say that war will automatically be triggered on these dates, but rather that China wishes to have the ability starting at these dates to achieve her aims, peacefully if possible, but by force if necessary, whenever they choose after that point.
I'll leave it to you to read the article and draw your own conclusions. I suspect that the projected timetable may be somewhat more ambitious than practical or possible, and issues like demographics or the "popping" of debt or investment bubbles could seriously throw off any calculations (unfortunately, the net effect might be to advance conflict as desperate leadership cadres look for an "out).
A Vital Warning About China and the Looming 'Decade of Concern'
https://pjmedia.com/claudiarosett/a-vital-warning-about-china-and-the-looming-decade-of-concern/
I'll leave it to you to read the article and draw your own conclusions. I suspect that the projected timetable may be somewhat more ambitious than practical or possible, and issues like demographics or the "popping" of debt or investment bubbles could seriously throw off any calculations (unfortunately, the net effect might be to advance conflict as desperate leadership cadres look for an "out).
A Vital Warning About China and the Looming 'Decade of Concern'
https://pjmedia.com/claudiarosett/a-vital-warning-about-china-and-the-looming-decade-of-concern/
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US Navy lacking legs in face of Chinese A2AD:
Note that designs competing for USN's carrier-borne MQ-25A Stingray tanker UAV are not required to be stealthy:
https://news.usni.org/2018/04/09/navy-prioritizing-speed-field-price-mq-25a-stingray-program
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Note that designs competing for USN's carrier-borne MQ-25A Stingray tanker UAV are not required to be stealthy:
https://news.usni.org/2018/04/09/navy-prioritizing-speed-field-price-mq-25a-stingray-program
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Wow! CSIS throws down the gauntlet to Justin Trudeau, Liberal Party and our comprador class--a few excerpts from a very major paper, how will China react?
Just about as blunt as one can get. One also wonders how the current gov't will react.
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Just about as blunt as one can get. One also wonders how the current gov't will react.
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UK Guardian story on what above CSIS report from meeting of academics says on New Zealand:
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