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E.R. Campbell said:
Some, maybe even many, are already or are going to be targets of Xi Jinping's anti-corruption campaign which will go after many of the super wealthy ... as it should.

Some, but not all, might have gotten their wealth through illicit means.

Still, our own restricting of this category of immigrants has more to do with the government of the day pandering to the xenophobic, isolationist fringe of its base.
 
There is, I think, a growing backlash against the super-rich amongst "ordinary Chinese" and I suspect that Xi Jinping, who is running a big league popularity campaign, is going to play to that sense of 'blame someone" by attacking the rich, including the honest ones - and I agree with you: there are some, not all rich Chinese are crooks. But, my guess is that the Supreme Leader's broom will sweep hard and wide in his cleanup campaign ... and it will be very popular with the working and middle classes.
 
Meanwhile, out west, China's campaign against Islamic "radicals" may be backfiring, and ignite the very radicalism they are tying to suppress. I am a bit surprised considering the relative sophistication of the Unrestricted Warfare doctrine, and how smoothly they have been able to manipulate the West.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/chinas-war-on-terror-becomes-all-out-attack-on-islam-in-xinjiang/2014/09/19/5c5840a4-1aa7-4bb6-bc63-69f6bfba07e9_story.html

China's war on terror becomes all-out attack on Islam in Xinjiang

Ethnic violence in Western China targets Uighurs

The government says ethnic violence that has killed dozens is terrorism. Uighurs claim government oppression.
July 27, 2014 Uighurs (WEE-gurs) wait at a bus stop in old Kashgar in the Xinjiang province of western China. Kevin Frayer/Getty Images
By Simon Denyer September 19 at 7:50 PM 

SHACHE COUNTY, China – The month of Ramadan should have been a time of fasting, charity and prayer in China’s Muslim west. But here, in many of the towns and villages of southern Xinjiang, it was a time of fear, repression, and violence.

China’s campaign against separatism and terrorism in its mainly Muslim west has now become an all-out war on conservative Islam, residents here say.

Throughout Ramadan,police intensified a campaign of house-to-house searches, looking for books or clothing that betray “conservative” religious belief among the region’s ethnic Uighurs: women wearing veils were widely detained, and many young men arrested on the slightest pretext, residents say. Students and civil servants were forced to eat instead of fasting, and work or attend classes instead of attending Friday prayers.

The religious repression has bred resentment, and, at times, deadly protests. Reports have emerged of police firing on angry crowds in recent weeks in the towns of Elishku, and Alaqagha; since then, Chinese authorities have imposed a complete blackout on reporting from both locations, even more intense than that already in place across most of Xinjiang.

Chinese police have cracked down on the wearing of beards and veils, in observance of Ramadan, in Muslim-majority Xinjiang province.
A Washington Post team was turned away at the one of several checkpoints around Elishku, as army trucks rumbled past, and was subsequently detained for several hours by informers, police and Communist Party officials for reporting from villages in the surrounding district of Shache county; the following day, the team was again detained in Alaqagha in Kuqa county, and ultimately deported from the region from the nearest airport.

Across Shache county, the Internet has been cut, and text messaging services disabled, while foreigners have been barred. But in snatched conversations, in person and on the telephone, with the few people in the region brave enough to talk, a picture of constant harassment across Xinjiang emerges.

“The police are everywhere,” said one Uighur resident. Another said it was like “living in prison.” Another said his identity card had been checked so many times, “the magnetic strip is not working any more.”

On July 18, hundreds of people gathered outside a government building in the town of Alaqagha, angry about the arrest of two dozen girls and women who had refused to remove their headscarves, according to a report on Washington-based Radio Free Asia (RFA).

Protesters threw stones, bottles and bricks at the building; the police opened fire, killing at least two people, and wounding several more.

Then, on July 28, the last day of Ramadan, a protest in Elishku was met with an even more violent response, RFA reported. Hundreds of Uighurs attacked a police station with knives, axes and sticks; again, the police opened fire, mowing down scores of people.

China's official Xinhua news agency said police killed 59 Uighur “terrorists" in the incident, although other reports suggest the death toll could have been significantly higher.

A veiled Muslim Uyghur woman walks past a statue of Mao Zedong in Kashgar in Xinjiang province. (Kevin Frayer/Getty Images)
According to the Chinese government's version, the angry crowd subsequently went on a rampage in nearby towns and villages, killing 37 civilians — mostly ethnic Han Chinese. The region has been in lockdown ever since, with police and SWAT teams arresting more than 200 people and drones scanning for suspects from the air.

Xinjiang is a land of deserts, oases and mountains, flanked by the Muslim lands of Central Asia. Its Uighur people are culturally more inclined towards Turkey than the rest of China.

China says foreign religious ideas — often propagated over the Internet— have corrupted the people of Xinjiang, promoting fundamentalist Saudi Arabian Wahhabi Islam and turning some of them towards terrorism in pursuit of separatist goals. It also blames a radical Islamist Uighur group — said to be based in Pakistan’s lawless tribal areas and to have links to al-Qaeda — for a recent upsurge in violence. In March, a gruesome knife attack at a train station in the city of Kunming left 33 people dead, while in May, a bomb attack on a street market in Urumqi killed 43 others.

In response, President Xi Jinping has vowed to catch the terrorists “with nets spreading from the earth to the sky,” and to chase them “like rats scurrying across the street, with everybody shouting, ‘Beat them.’ ”

But the nets appear to be also catching many innocent people, residents complain. “You should arrest the bad guys,” said one Uighur professional in Urumqi, “not just anyone who looks suspicious.”

Some 200,000 Communist Party cadres have been dispatched to the countryside, ostensibly to listen to people’s concerns. Yet those officials, who often shelter behind compound walls fortified with alarms and barbed wire, appear to be more interested in ever-more intrusive surveillance of Uighur life, locals say.

In Shache, known in Uighur as Yarkand, an official document boasts of spending more than $2 million to establish a network of informers and surveillance cameras. House-to-house inspections, it says, will identify separatists, terrorists and religious extremists – including women who cover their faces with veils or burqas, and young men with long beards.

In the city of Kashgar, checkpoints enforce what the authorities call “Project Beauty” — beauty, in this case, being an exposed face. A large billboard close to the main mosque carries pictures of women wearing headscarves that pass muster, and those — covering the face or even just the neck — which are banned.

Anyone caught breaking the rules faces the daunting prospect of “regular and irregular inspections,” “educational lectures” and having party cadres assigned as “buddies” to prevent backsliding, the billboard announced. In the city of Karamay, women wearing veils and men with long beards have been banned from public buses.

Terrorism — in the sense of attacks on civilians — is a new phenomenon in Xinjiang, but the unrest here has a much longer history, with many Uighurs chafing under Chinese repression since the Communist Party takeover of the country in 1949, and resentful of the subsequent flood of immigrants from China’s majority Han community into the region.

What has changed is the growth in conservative Islam, and the increasing desperation of Uighurs determined to resist Chinese rule.

Until a decade or two ago, Xinjiang’s Uighurs wore their religion lightly, known more for their singing, dancing and drinking than their observation of the pieties of their faith. But in the past two decades a stricter form of the religion has slowly gained a foothold, as China opened up to the outside world.

While worship was allowed at officially sanctioned — and closely supervised — mosques, a network of underground mosques sprang up. Village elders returning from the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca, brought back more conservative ideas; high levels of unemployment among Uighur youth, and widespread discrimination against them, left many searching for new ideas and new directions in life. The rise of Islam was, in part, a reaction against social inequality and modernity.

But Joanne Smith Finley of Britain’s Newcastle University, an expert on Uighur identities and Islam, says religion has become a “symbolic form of resistance” to Chinese rule in a region where other resistance is impossible.

When hopes for independence were cruelly dashed by mass executions and arrests in the city of Ghulja — or Yining in Chinese — in 1997, Uighurs had nowhere else to turn, she said.

“People lost faith in the dream of independence,” she said, “and started looking to Islam instead.”

Not every Uighur in Xinjiang is happy with the rising tide of conservatism: one academic lamented the dramatic decline in Uighur establishments serving alcohol in the city of Hotan, while insisting that many young girls wear veils only out of compulsion.

But China’s clumsy attempts to “liberate” Uighurs from the oppression of conservative Islam are only driving more people into the hands of the fundamentalists, experts say.

“If the government continues to exaggerate extremism in this way, and take inappropriate measures to fix it, it will only force people towards extremism” a prominent Uighur scholar, Ilham Tohti, wrote, before being jailed in January on a charge of inciting separatism.

Xu Yangjingjing contributed to this report.
 
I can almost repeat my reply to S.M.A. just above: there are domestic political considerations in China, too. I'm not smart enough to comprehend Xi Jinping's long term plan, but I am sure he's got one and I'm equally sure that he needs to know - and he needs everyone else in the upper echelons of the CCP to know, too - that he has the "people' on his side.

(This, 21st century China, is, in a way, remarkably like England circa 1560 when Elizabeth I came to the throne. The first thing she had to do, above and before all else, was to secure broad popular support. Amongst her first acts were to restore the value of the currency, a very risky but, ultimately immensely popular action, and to broker a religious accommodation which made England Protestant, but without the a mirror of her sister Mary's excesses. Both acts were of the "high wire, no net" variety but they both paid off in both the near and long terms.)

Anyway, as I understand it - and maybe that's not well enough, the Han Chinese are fully and thoroughly fed up with the Uighurs, and, as with the anti-corruption campaign, Xi Jinping is going to try to do something he wants to do anyway and gain more popular support.

Maybe he's wrong; time will tell; but he's a pretty astute guy.

 
Many years ago the Chinese PLA was a largely conscripted force but, in the 1990s, if memory serves, the PLA switched to an essentially volunteer/professional force. In the old days a term of service - some months, at least, was required before young men (but not women) could attend university. That's gone, too, but the first two or three weeks of the university years are devoted to military type training. The Pictures linked below are taken from the chinanews.com webiste and they show students from Tsinghua University, one of the top two in China, demonstrating their new skills. The website says:

          September 19, 2014, Beijing, Tsinghua University graduation ceremony on a military training carried out on terror siege and suffering biochemical attacks and other tactical exercises, this is the
          first comprehensive Tsinghua added content in military training and tactical exercises, the Deputy Minister of the Ministry of the school armed king and that the addition of these new content is to
          consider the current situation, cultivate the anti-terrorism awareness. Queue performances, students under the guidance of instructors, lists the word "China Dream." Blue sky photo
          Source: CFP Vision China

Here is a link to the (10) pictures. Just click on the picture to go to the next one.
 
Beijing trying to snuff out Hong Kong dissenters by pressuring the tycoons who are their bosses; looks like the mansions on the Peak in Hong Kong will be quiet today.

Trouble in Hong Kong? Beijing summons tycoons

HONG KONG (AP) — As trouble brews in Hong Kong, who's Beijing going to call? The billionaires.

With political tension in the southern Chinese financial hub at its highest in years, China's leaders summoned dozens of the city's tycoons earlier this week for talks.

The rare trip by the large contingent of business leaders to meet President Xi Jinping in Beijing highlighted the unlikely role that Hong Kong's capitalists have played as longstanding supporters of China's communist rulers.

Beijing has long courted the tycoons, who employ hundreds of thousands of people, for the influence they have in the capitalist enclave of Hong Kong.


The meeting coincided with the start of a protest involving thousands of Hong Kong college students against Beijing's refusal to grant democratic reforms that would let Hong Kong's people have a genuine say in electing their own leader. It also came ahead of a planned rally by pro-democracy activists to "occupy" the Asian financial hub's central business district as early as next week, which has raised the hackles of business leaders.

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Source: Yahoo Finance/Business Insider
 
It's important understand that, above all else, the PBoC (People's Bank of China, the central bank equivalent to our Bank of Canada or the US Federal Reserve Bank) is not independent; monetary policy is a political matter. But, that being said, the bank's governor, Zhou Xiaochuan, is an important official and there are now rumours, cited in this article which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from The Economist, that he is on his way out:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2014/09/new-central-banker-china
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A new central banker for China?
Say it ain't so, Zhou

Sep 25th 2014, by S.R | SHANGHAI

IN THE world of rumours, Zhou Xiaochuan, China’s central bank chief, has lost his job multiple times. First there was a 2007 reshuffle  when he was pushed aside early in his tenure, sidelined to an academic role. Then came his most dramatic exit of all, in 2010, when he defected to America  after squandering billions of dollars from China’s foreign exchange reserves. Finally, in late 2012, he published a collection of essays, signalling to the world that he was set to retire  – he was, after all, about to turn 65, the official retirement age.

Yet through it all, Mr Zhou has remained exactly where he has been since 2002: in the governor’s chair at the People’s Bank of China. So long-time PBoC watchers can be forgiven for casting a slightly wary eye over the latest report  of Mr Zhou’s departure, carried by the Wall Street Journal on Thursday. Rumours that he is again on his way out have spread in recent weeks in Beijing. Your correspondent has heard the scuttlebutt from diplomats and bankers, and word of it has spread on Weibo, China’s version of Twitter. Personnel changes at the apex of the Chinese government are closely guarded secrets and discussions of possible changes often take on an echo-chamber quality. But the Journal article appears to be well sourced and it includes a fresh revelation – that Guo Shuqing, a former securities regulator and Mr Zhou’s putative successor, attended a recent meeting convened by the central bank’s monetary policy committee. Bloomberg felt emboldened enough to conduct a snap poll  of economists to see whom they thought likely to replace Mr Zhou. Six of 13 respondents predicted it would be Mr Guo, now serving as governor of the eastern province of Shandong. Five picked Yi Gang, a PBoC deputy governor who is also in charge of managing China’s $4 trillion in foreign currency reserves.

What does Mr Zhou’s potential departure mean for the Chinese economy? Until the deed is done and his replacement is actually known, it would be premature to pass much in the way of judgment. But one of the interpretations that has gained most traction – that Mr Zhou’s ouster would be a blow to the pro-reform camp in Beijing – looks wide of the mark. In this view, Mr Zhou has been too staunch an advocate for market reform such as interest-rate liberalisation, and the recent growth slowdown has given his opponents leverage to topple him. Such palace intrigue would make for a good story. However, the transition to a new central bank governor in China is likely to feature far more continuity than drama.

First, going back to the basics, the most salient fact about the PBoC is that it lacks independence. Although more powerful than other financial regulators in the Chinese system, it is subordinate to the State Council, or cabinet, which in turn answers to the Communist Party leadership. The decision in recent weeks to refrain from large-scale monetary stimulus even as growth slows ultimately comes from Li Keqiang, the prime minister, and perhaps even Xi Jinping, China’s top leader. The Communist Party pledged last year to give markets a “decisive” role in the nation’s economy. The central bank is an essential actor in implementing that strategy but not its architect.

Second, Mr Zhou, though a liberal in the Chinese context, is not the arch-reformer that he is sometimes made out to be. There is no doubt that he has overseen important changes in his decade-plus in charge of the PBoC. The most notable was the move to lift the yuan from a fixed dollar peg in 2005 and shift it to what has in effect been a crawling peg. But he has not set the currency free: even as the central bank has widened the yuan’s trading band, it has continued to keep a close grip on it by setting the exchange rate’s starting point every day. Similarly, the central bank has moved to liberalise interest rates, but progress has been slow, with deposit rates still capped. The real action has taken place beyond the regulated realm with shadow-bank products that are ushering in de facto liberalisation. Over the past year the central bank has even made some regressive moves, using special, undisclosed loans to big state-owned banks to create money when liquidity has been tight. This ‘pledged supplementary lending’ has been a throwback to relending tools used by the PBoC in the 1990s when it took a more hands-on approach to directing credit flows.

Finally, the man in the frame as Mr Zhou’s probable successor is cut from the same cloth. Guo Shuqing’s career path has many parallels to Mr Zhou’s. Both were governors of China Construction Bank, a major commercial lender. Mr Guo worked alongside Mr Zhou in the central bank for a few years as director of the agency that manages China’s foreign exchange reserves. The two men have co-authored a book about China’s economy and talk much the same talk when it comes to financial reforms. When Mr Guo served as China’s top securities regulator from 2011-13, virtually every week brought new rules that were meant to reduce government influence and make the stock market more of a market. One local banker expressed mock alarm to your correspondent that a PBoC under Mr Guo would be too reformist, liable to disrupt weekends and dinners with a constant stream of announcements. If the Chinese government had suddenly gotten cold feet about financial reform, Mr Guo would be an odd choice as Mr Zhou’s replacement.

Mr Zhou is nearly 67, two years beyond the official retirement age. The rumours of his departure are, at some point, bound to be correct. It would not be a surprise to see his exit before March, when the country's rubber-stamp parliament next gathers. But China’s steady, if slow, approach to economic reform will outlast him.


We must all hope that the last sentence is true.

 
Meanwhile, the violence in Xinjiang continues:

BBC

Xinjiang unrest: China raises death toll to 50

Fifty people died in violence on Sunday in Xinjiang, Chinese state media said, in what police called a "serious terrorist attack".

Earlier this week state media reported the incident in Luntai county but gave the death toll as two.

On Thursday a state news portal said 40 "rioters", six civilians and four police officers were killed. No reason was given for the delay in reporting.

Violence has been escalating in Xinjiang in recent months.

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Another effect of Xi Jinping's anti-corruption campaign.

:blotto:

Straits Times

BEIJING - More than 100,000 "phantom employees" of provincial governments in China who were paid but did no work have been removed in Hebei, Sichuan, Henan and Jilin provinces.

This comes after a national campaign was launched last year requiring stricter measures to keep government teams clean and efficient, experts said.

In Hebei province, more than 55,000 officials in government units and staff members of public institutes were removed as part of the Mass Line Campaign that has targeted corruption and bureaucracy...

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I hope this doesn't result in the PLA garrison intervening as what happened in Tiananmen Square in Beijing in 1989...

Reuters

Hong Kong students storm government HQ to demand full democracy
HONG KONG Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:33am EDT

(Reuters) - Hundreds of pro-democracy activists stormed government headquarters late on Friday after student leaders demanding greater democracy urged them to charge into the compound.

Police used pepper spray as the protesters smashed barriers and climbed over fences in chaotic scenes in the heart of the Asian financial center, following Beijing's decision to rule out free elections for the city's leader in 2017.

One student leader, Joshua Wong, a thin 17-year-old with dark-rimmed glasses and bowl-cut hair, was dragged away by police kicking and screaming as protesters chanted and struggled to free him.

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Perhaps one of her successor carriers might even be launched when she is "combat ready" and all their experimenting with carrier aviation has a foundation.

Military.com

China: New Carrier Needs Time to Be Combat Ready

China Daily | Sep 26, 2014

The People's Liberation Army navy marked the second anniversary of the commissioning of the aircraft carrier CNS Liaoning on Thursday, but experts said more time is needed to hone its combat readiness.

The CNS Liaoning, a refitted Soviet-era carrier, was commissioned in Dalian, Liaoning province, on Sept 25, 2012.

The ship has engaged in research and training missions, and it continues to sail the oceans, PLA Daily said on its micro blog.
"We must be able to protect our territorial waters and win possible conflicts," Senior Captain Mei Wen, political commissar of the carrier, told the newspaper.
"While in the open seas, we must make sure that we are able to sail as far as we want and can safeguard our turf.
"We must be strong enough to maintain the nation's overseas economic interests and strategic channels."

The vessel has just completed its first maintenance stop at a Dalian shipyard, a process that lasted five months from mid-April, according to an earlier report.

The crew and pilots of the carrier-based J-15 fighter jets have been put through a succession of rigorous training programs and tests over the past two years
.

The vessel's largest mission took place in December in the South China Sea. During a 37-day exercise, the carrier conducted more than 100 drills and training procedures designed to test the stress resistance of its structures, its sailing speed in deep water, its navigational capabilities and the reliability of its weapons and equipment.

It also took part in a formation drill with other Chinese ships and submarines, a move many observers believe indicates that a carrier battle group has taken shape.

However, it will take years for the CNS Liaoning to achieve full combat capability, said Zhang Junshe, a senior researcher from the PLA Naval Military Studies Research Institute.
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It will not look good to foreign investors, and more importantly, to Taiwan, if the planned blockade sees PLA/PAP troops on Hong Kong streets simply because the successor to the Royal Hong Kong Police force can't keep student protestors from storming a government building.

Reuters

Hong Kong clashes, arrests kick-start plans to blockade city
BY JAMES POMFRET AND YIMOU LEE
HONG KONG Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:35pm EDT

(Reuters) - Violent clashes between Hong Kong riot police and students galvanized tens of thousands of supporters for the city's pro-democracy movement and kick-started a plan to lock down the heart of the Asian financial center early on Sunday.

Leaders and supporters of Occupy Central with Love and Peace rallied to support students who were doused with pepper spray early on Saturday after they broke through police barriers and stormed the city's government headquarters.

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Roads in a square block around the city's government headquarters, located in the Admiralty district adjacent to Central, were filled with people and blocked with metal barricades erected by protesters to defend against a possible police crackdown.


Some of Hong Kong's most powerful tycoons have spoken out against the Occupy movement, warning it could threaten the city's business and economic stability.


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Police arrested more than 60 people, including Joshua Wong, the 17-year-old leader of student group Scholarism, who was dragged away after he called on the protesters to charge the government premises. He was still being detained early on Sunday, along with fellow student leaders Alex Chow and Lester Shum.

His parents said in a statement the decision to detain him was an act of "political persecution".

Wong has already won one major victory against Beijing. In 2012, he forced the Hong Kong government to shelve plans to roll out a pro-China national education scheme in the city's schools when the then 15-year-old rallied 120,000 protesters.

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S.M.A. said:
It will not look good to foreign investors, and more importantly, to Taiwan, if the planned blockade sees PLA/PAP troops on Hong Kong streets simply because the successor to the Royal Hong Kong Police force can't keep student protestors from storming a government building ...


You're right, it will look bad and there may be economic repercussions, but this is part of what I suspect is a bigger power struggle in Beijing. There are, I have suggested, at least two factions in Beijing, which I have named, only a bit tongue in cheek, the Lee faction and the Li faction.

Lee Kuan Yew, the former prime minister of Singapore, has, consistently, advised the Chinese to 'clean up' their endemic corruption problems and he suggests that a conservative democracy can have a self perpetuating political dynasty ... so long as that political party (movement) provides "peace, order and good government." Li Peng, on the other hand, was a hard line ideological communist who favoured absolute state control of everything. Those are the two extremes, as well as I understand them, and I'm sure there are others, but mu guess is that those two form the bases of the debate that I think is raging inside the seven member Politburo Standing Committee of the CPC in Beijing. I am informed, (reliably) I think, that the debate is current amongst party members, including in university graduate schools.


Edited to add:

This report in The Straits Times, Singapore's daily English language newspaper, illustrates part of the problem: China, 30 years after Deng Xiaoping, still doesn't 'get' economic liberty. Free Trade Zones are easy, just ask any Hong Kong or Singapore trader, all that needs to happen is that the officials "get out of the way." Chinese officialdom, which is very much attuned to Li Peng, not to Lee Kuan Yew, wants to regulate free trade, and, in a way very like Canadian, especially Quebec bureaucrats, wants to 'pick winners,' too.
 
S.M.A. said:
It will not look good to foreign investors, and more importantly, to Taiwan, if the planned blockade sees PLA/PAP troops on Hong Kong streets simply because the successor to the Royal Hong Kong Police force can't keep student protestors from storming a government building.


And it looks like that's happening ...

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... I think that's a PLA vehicle. My memory suggests that the HK Police APCs are painted blue with white letters.


Edited to add:

This is, I think, the HK Police's only 'armoured' vehicle, a Unimog U5000.

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(The HK Police used to have Saxon APC, the same type used, formerly, by the British Army. They were taken out of HK Police service in 2009, but they are the ones I remember. I don't recall every seeing one of the Unimogs.)
 
Faced with this HK Police warning, which says, "Leave or we will fire" ...

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... Scholarism, the Hong Kong student activist group formed in 2011 to oppose the Moral and National Education scheme, is urging people at Tamar Garden, an urban park in the downtown Admiralty district, to leave in groups because the situation have become too dangerous.
 
Trust me on this. People in HK are not used to seeing this on their TV screens ...

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... they are watching, from their homes, transfixed and afraid.

Most of the HK people I know are, mainly, indifferent towards liberal democracy, they are not fond of Beijing, but they are Chinese, and they are proud of that. The idea of political rule from Beijing is OK, the idea of political interference from Beijing, in what they see as HK's legitimate, internal, domestic business bothers them. But rioting on the streets - the whole Occupy Central thing - bothers them too, maybe more.

HK is a very conservative place ... in everything except economics in which its liberty far exceeds anything the semi-socialistic USA could ever possibly imagine; HK's economic liberty harkens back to Britain 150 years ago. HK's basic conservatism extends towards students staging unruly protests. There is, or was, a "gentlemen's agreement" in HK: pro-democracy activists could protest and demonstrate, more freely than they can in Singapore, for example, but they couldn't interfere with commerce and they had to disperse (and tidy the streets, too) after a police order. Occupy Central is breaking the rules. My sense is that most Hong Kong people are in general support of the AIM - local autonomy - but they oppose the method, and fear the consequences.
 
This picture was, the person who posted it says, taken at about 2:00AM HK time. The 'author' says "In normal times this street would be one of the busiest in Hong Kong in 4-5 hours. Tear gas approach not working." In fact, in "normal times," this would be one of the busiest streets in the world - and one of the richest, too.

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My guess is that Leung Chun-ying, the Chief Executive of HK, and Tsang Wai-hung, the Police Commissioner, are, for the moment, unwilling to take any action more forceful than tear gas, and, for the same, brief moment, anyway, Beijing agrees.

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                          Leung Chun-ying                        and                    Tsang Wai-hung

But, the business of Hong Kong is business and Central - the beating heart of the city's business, cannot be tied up by student demonstrators for very long before everyone will demand stronger measures. According to what I can hear/read the student leaders are, now, asking the demonstrators to leave because they fear the police will resort to harsher measures. Much as I support what the students want, I agree with the leaders ... this is getting dangerous.
 
I'm fairly certain that this will resolve itself peacefully.  As you've said, the HK population is generally indifferent to "how" they're being governed, as long as the money flows. 

The next few hours will be very important as, from what I'm reading/seeing at least, the crowds are still massive and blocking traffic in/out of the financial district.  Forget the police/government; I don't think most HKers will stand by while the financial sector is crippled.
 
This photo is said to be from 3:00 AM ...

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... it's near the City Gov't HQ in Central.

Clearly the student leaders' call to disperse fell on deaf ears.
 
They're still there ...

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                                                      ... in Causeway Bay                                                            and                                        in Mong Kok (over on Kowloon side)
 
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