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Chinese Military,Political and Social Superthread

"Heh, well any one of those points is enough gist for 20 pages of debate, but for now let's just conclude that the Ming dynasty was an excellent source of material for some of the superlative martial arts movies released in mid 90s Hong Kong."

And as an added plus, they do not appear to have bothered colouring in Taiwan/Formosa on their maps...

Tom
 
Because at this time, Taiwan had not yet been colonized by the Chinese, and was still inhabited by Austronesian aborigine. The Dutch set up a base there in 1624, which lasted until 1662 when they were defeated by Zheng Chen Gong, a Han chinese Ming loyalist, The Ming at this point was in a state of collapse and was being invaded by the Manchurians, who would in a few years establish the Qing, and who would in 1683 defeat Zheng's descendents and annex Taiwan. It   is interesting to note that during this period, Zheng's descendents continued to refer to themselves as the "Southern Ming", claiming to be the legitimate Han rulers of China and Ming goverment in exile until their eventual (in a naval battle/amphibious invasion) defeat. Not unlike the situation today.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan
 
Everything old is new again?  It has occured to me that if things get out of hand in the PRC, we could be looking at the worlds first nuclear civil war.

Now back to Formosa - The Japanese Army and Marines used Formosa as a live fire template and hunted the last of the aboriginals for training value.  Fact, or myth?

Tom
 
Now back to Formosa - The Japanese Army and Marines used Formosa as a live fire template and hunted the last of the aboriginals for training value.  Fact, or myth?

Myth, AFAIK. Wikipedia(which I use as a quick reference for stats and dates) says nothing of such an atrocity. The Japanese administered Taiwan just as any other colony, doing a fair bit of industrialization. Certainly, it appears in the immediate aftermath of WW2, the returning (nationalist) Chinese administration was plenty brutal enough (massacaring up to 300,000 civies according to Wikipedia). You can read the rest yourself.


 
Will look it up.

Did a few days on Guam after Op APOLLO.  We had a guided tour of the invasion beaches and so on,  and the local tribe (Chamoros) did not fare well under the Emperor's Army.  Beheadings were common place.  Today, Guam tourism is largely Japanese based, we were told.
 
China is setting up conditions to attempt to challenge the West, although this may end up being a race against time as internal pressures eat at the homeland. Either way, an Imperial China or a rapidly destabilizing China are both dangers to the West.


China's Zombie Countries
Bringing dictators back to life.

By Dana Dillon

In Haitian folklore, zombies are people reanimated from near death and enslaved to the witch doctor that revived them. Could it be that China's leaders are taking their cues from Haiti?

From Burma to Nepal to Zimbabwe, China is providing political, diplomatic, and security support to failing dictatorships. Beijing gives just enough help for the dictator to survive sanctions and domestic popular revolts, while the PRC gains a dependent state.

The faux-Communist witch doctors of Beijing are not propping up these unsuccessful governments for ideological reasons â ” quite the opposite. Nepal is an absolute monarchy, Burma is a military dictatorship, and Zimbabwe is governed by a once democratically chosen leader gone bad. In repayment for reanimating these near-dead regimes, the PRC is demanding â ” and getting â ” obedience to its nationalistic policies of creating strategic space around China, isolating Taiwan, securing critical resources, and guaranteeing markets for Chinese products.

The partial enslavement of the zombie countries is clearly demonstrated in China's newest acquisition, Nepal. Nepal is struggling through a bloody civil war with Maoist rebels. The Maoists have managed to gain the upper hand in a large part of the country and can, on occasion, isolate Katmandu. King Gyanendra's response to his failing counter-insurgency strategy was to dissolve the government and declare his monarchy absolute. He then ordered the Nepalese security forces to suppress all opposition. Consequently, India, the United States and Britain all condemned the king's actions and cut off military aid to Nepal. China stepped up with a zombie-making potion of political acceptance and security assistance.

China's Foreign Minister, Li Zaoxing, visited Nepal and declared that the King's seizure of power was â Å“an internal matter for Nepal.â ? For his part, King Gyanendra announced that â Å“China is a reliable friend of Nepal.â ? On April 22-24, Gyanendra will visit China for an economic conference, his first visit abroad since he seized power.

In exchange for Beijing's diplomatic support, Nepal is turning on its defenseless Tibetan refugees. China's ambassador declared that â Å“Nepal is very important to the stability and prosperity of Tibet.â ? King Gynandera replied to the Foreign Minister that â Å“Nepal firmly supports the one-China policy of your government and will never allow any anti-China activities in Nepal's territory.â ? Gyanendra subsequently shut down offices representing the Tibetan government-in-exile that had operated in Nepal since 1960 and began a pogrom of persecution of Tibetan refugees that included forced repatriations.

Furthermore, China is enslaving Nepal's economy as well. China is among the top-five donor countries to Nepal, but Chinese aid is largely aimed at supporting Chinese businesses and tapping Nepal's natural resources to the exclusion of Nepalese businesses. Nepal had been pushing for more equal trade terms to counteract its enormous trade imbalance with China, but since Gyanendra took over the country concrete remedies have failed to materialize.

Zimbabwe's descent to zombie status is no more mysterious than Gyanendra's near-death experience. Zimbabwe is a resource-rich southern African nation, suffering a major economic crisis, with inflation at 400 percent and unemployment at about 70 percent. Zimbabwe's per-capita income has nosedived over the past eight years from $682 in 1998 to $521 in 2002. President Robert Mugabe abused his office to suppress opposition parties and maintain his grip on power. His ruling party won an overwhelming victory in March 2005 in elections not believed to be free or fair by most Western countries.

Amid sanctions imposed by the European Union and the United States, China delivered $240 million in military goods to Zimbabwe including thousands of AK-47 assault rifles, riot gear, and mobile water cannons. Mugabe's security forces used the weapons to break up opposition political rallies and demonstrations. Beijing also provided radio-jamming equipment to Harare, thwarting pro-democracy broadcasts during the last â Å“electionâ ? campaign.

In return for China's military equipment, President Mugabe is said to have promised China land and access to mineral resources. In November 2004, Wu Bangguo, chairman of the standing committee of China's National People's Congress, paid a visit to Zimbabwe and signed six economic agreements. Emmerson Mnangagwa, speaker of the Zimbabwean national assembly said the national assembly would lay down laws to ensure that high priority be given to the Chinese enterprises.

Although there are no Tibetan refugees to persecute in Zimbabwe, Mugabe does his best to please his new master by helping to isolate Taiwan. The ministry of foreign affairs of Zimbabwe said in March 2005 that Zimbabwe firmly supports China's anti-secession law, which authorizes the use of military force to prevent Taiwanese independence.

Burma and North Korea have been zombies so long that they may now be in permanent vegetative states, but the persistence of these two regimes beyond their long-expected demise is a clear demonstration of the efficacy of China's policy. Burma has been under strict international sanctions since it violently suppressed a popular revolt in 1988, but there is no sign of the junta's imminent collapse. North Korea's economy completely failed in the 1990s, starving to death an estimated 1.5 million people, but Kim Jong Il blithely clings to power and is grooming his son as a successor.

Forced to compete with the American model of representative democracy, the government of the People's Republic of China offers the third world a non-ideological choice â ” liberty or tyranny. Of course, Beijing does not offer this option to the third world's people, who no doubt yearn for freedom and prosperity. Instead, the Chinese vision appeals only to failed despots whose regimes can survive only with Chinese resuscitation â ” the Zombies.

â ” Dana Dillon is a policy analyst at the Heritage Foundation.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/dillon200505100804.asp      
   

 
My feeling is that while the Chinese are aggressively building up Air, ground and naval assets (55 Subs and adding) that they have an extremely small window in which to expand by military means.   I have stated before that this ends unequivocally in 2015, but effects will be felt by 2010.   2007 is the optimum date for them to persue their ambitions.

This is akin to the delay of Barbarossa or Kursk, as the Chinese will have to weigh their combat potential versus "ours".

Homeland pressures are already beginning to mount on three levels:

1.   The Chinese have tacitly admitted that capitalism is a better form of wealth production by creating several "free zones" in industrial/commercial areas;

2.   The internet continues its inexorable march in making information available to the masses; and

3.   The 'One child' policy makes every child a "Pte Ryan".

The greatest danger is when the Chinese believe that they can create an area of exclusion around Taiwan that has a high probability of destroying an American carrier if committed.   On the other hand, if the US is willing to write off a carrier, most of the Chinese first line air and naval assets would be toast as well....
 
Everyone needs to remember this every time you consider buying something marked "Made in China".

You are in essence, supporting tyranny in the third world.

I personally, don't shop at Walmart at all due to their policies and have boycotted all Chinese goods (Digital Cameras, Laptops, Shredders, etc) since 2001 and gladly pay the extra money for items made in Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, the United States and in particular Canada.




M.  :salute:
 
Quote,
I personally, don't shop at Walmart at all due to their policies

You do realize that Wal-mart has WAY more brands that are made in Canada than the Bay/Zellers. Their policy is to buy North American whenever possible, while remaining financially competitive. If there is a policy I don't like there its their "predator pricing".
 
Cdn Blackshirt said:
Everyone needs to remember this every time you consider buying something marked "Made in China".
lol, I just looked at the back of my cheap'O watch i bout at the Kitshopno less and it has a "Made in China" sticker on the back of it... :o
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
Quote,
I personally, don't shop at Walmart at all due to their policies

You do realize that Wal-mart has WAY more brands that are made in Canada than the Bay/Zellers. Their policy is to buy North American whenever possible, while remaining financially competitive. If there is a policy I don't like there its their "predator pricing".
COSCO is a far more worrisome company.
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
Quote,
I personally, don't shop at Walmart at all due to their policies

You do realize that Wal-mart has WAY more brands that are made in Canada than the Bay/Zellers. Their policy is to buy North American whenever possible, while remaining financially competitive. If there is a policy I don't like there its their "predator pricing".

Actually, yes I do, but the fact is their head office promotes North American business to relocate manufacturing facilites to China.

Trust me when I say I look for the "Made in Canada" at every opportunity.  I actually got lucky the other day and picked up a pair of Tommy Hilfiger jeans that were made in Canada (which I was not expecting to be able to do).




M.  :salute:
 
A few divergent thoughts (need to read the Kaplan article this weekend)

The Chinese "Grand Strategy" is to reestablish themselves as the "Middle Kingdom", which includes regaining the military, political and economic pre-eminence with current US allies and clients such as Tiawan, South Korea and Japan.

The US "Grand Strategy" is the Oceanic strategy, using control of the sea as the lever to apply military, diplomatic and economic power anywhere on Earth. The current Middle Eastern strategy could mutate into a version of the "heartland" strategy, which roughly stated contends "whoever controls the heartland between Europe, Africa and Asia, controls the world". This sort of thinking was very influential in the late 1800s and can be examined today by playing "Risk" (see what happens when someone else has a powerful force occupying the middle east).

Although in the long term an Oceanic Power would seem to have the high cards (even if forced out, the Oceanic power always has the means to return at the time and place of its own choosing), it will be very uncomfortable while these two rival Grand Strategies play themselves out.
 
I_am_John_Galt said:
You mean CostCo, right?

(COSCO = China Overseas Shipping COmpany: owned by the Chinese Government)
I mean COSCO.
 
From the American Wal-Mart website,

Myth: 70 percent of the merchandise sold at our stores comes from China. 

Fact: The special interest group who makes this claim doesn't tell you where it got that statistic.  In actuality, Wal-Mart's business with U.S. suppliers remains strong and healthy.  In 2004, Wal-Mart spent more than $137 billion for U.S. products and services sold at our stores.  A single company with sales of that magnitude would rank #5 on the Fortune 500. You can count on this fact, too:  The products and services from US suppliers sold at Wal-Mart stores provide good jobs to more than 3.5 million employees at 68,000 suppliers in states across America. 

Wal-Mart estimates that we purchased about $18 billion from China last year -- about $9 billion imported from direct sources and about $9 billion from indirect sources -- compared to $137.5 billion spent last year with all kinds of suppliers in the U.S.


 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
From the American Wal-Mart website,

Myth: 70 percent of the merchandise sold at our stores comes from China.  

Fact: The special interest group who makes this claim doesn't tell you where it got that statistic.   In actuality, Wal-Mart's business with U.S. suppliers remains strong and healthy.   In 2004, Wal-Mart spent more than $137 billion for U.S. products and services sold at our stores.   A single company with sales of that magnitude would rank #5 on the Fortune 500. You can count on this fact, too:   The products and services from US suppliers sold at Wal-Mart stores provide good jobs to more than 3.5 million employees at 68,000 suppliers in states across America.  

Wal-Mart estimates that we purchased about $18 billion from China last year -- about $9 billion imported from direct sources and about $9 billion from indirect sources -- compared to $137.5 billion spent last year with all kinds of suppliers in the U.S.

Regardless, Walmart does promote North American manufacturers to relocate to China....and that doesn't sit well with me.



M.  :salute:
 
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