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Hey all,

I'm a new padre being posted to Cold Lake. Have read a lot about the housing situation there. We're familiar with the Northern Alberta Real Estate boom having ministered in a church in the Grande Prairie area for the last 8 years. We're a family of 4, 2 girls aged 5 and 5 months, looking for a home in the 350-400k range but also wondering about the 3-4 bedroom PMQ's. I'm wondering if anyone has recommendations on real estate in the 4 Wing area. Could you recommend a good agent? How about a neighbourhood? Schools?
 
Cold Lake is not particularly close to Fort Mac and there isn't any oil sands mining in Cold Lake, so there are no tailings ponds. 
 
http://epaper.nationalpost.com/epaper/viewer.aspx

Oil boom beckons in Cold Lake

Yadullah Hussain Financial Post yhussain@nationalpost  25 Jul 14

Osum Oil Sands Corp. chief executive Steve Spence says he used to call Cold Lake the “unknown story in the oil sands”.
Cpl. Kath ryn Poudrier / Aerospace Enginering Test Establishment The Alberta city of Cold Lake, an air base south of Fort McMurray, is poised to become an energy hub, as well.

Not any more. While the city of Fort McMurray farther north has garnered all the attention for its rapid growth, Cold Lake city has been an oil boomtown in its own right with production in its vicinity ramping up to half a million barrels per day.

“It is actually the most understood region [in terms of geology],” Mr. Spence said, although the Athabasca basin in Fort McMurray produces the bulk of Canada’s oil output.

Osum made a big move in Cold Lake in June, picking up Royal Dutch Shell PLC’s assets in the region for $325-million. The Orion project produces about 6,700 barrels per day and is located close to the company’s Taiga facility, which is yet to start production. Mr. Spence expects the Orion transaction to close by the end of the month.

Mayor Craig Copeland says his city is ripe for a new boom.

“In the past few years, we have really seen a ramp up in development in our city. We have had several small booms before, but all of a sudden a lot of people have been coming to work on construction sites,” Mr. Copeland said in an interview. “This past winter — the winter that was so cold — we had approximately a good 3,000 people embedded in the community in rentals; houses and hotels were full.”

The city’s population has grown 9% in the past two years to reach just under 16,000, according to the latest census published in July. The mayor says non-residents would probably take the population closer to 18,000.

Without the oil sands, the city would primarily be home to about 5,000 military personnel and their families working at the 4 Wing Cold Lake airbase, Mr. Copeland says.

But it’s the oil that’s spinning the economic wheels. The region and its adjoining areas produce about 500,000 barrels per day and that number could rise by another 150,000 by 2017, according to Oil Sands Community Alliance data.

Cold Lake is also home to Canadian Natural Resources Ltd.’s Primrose operation, which has had trouble managing an oil leak since last year. In a ruling this month, the Alberta Energy Regulator said it’s “not prepared to approve a return to full operations at these sites until all potential risks are addressed.”

Other well-established players in the region are gearing up for a new round of expansion in the region. Imperial Oil Ltd., a long-time resident, expects to start producing 40,000 barrels per day from its Nabiya project by the end of the year. Cenovus Energy Inc. is set to expand its Foster Creek project near Bonnyville and Cold Lake by 90,000 barrels per day by the end of 2016. The company spent $370-million with businesses based in the community on goods and services last year.

Osum also plans to raise output from Orion to 10,000 barrels per day and kick-off Taiga with 12,000 barrels per day in the first phase, taking capacity to 45,000 barrels per day.

The rush of new production will test the limits of the city’s infrastructure, and Mr. Copeland can see it coming.

“Every 100 barrels produced creates one to two permanent jobs,” Mr Copeland said.

With population growing, housing challenges are not far behind. Residential prices shot up 14.5% last year and have risen another 5.6% year-to-date, according to Royal Le Page Northern Lights Realty. Home prices have climbed more than 150% in a decade.

The city has offered a $7,500 rebate per door for builders in a bid to stimulate construction activity, and developers have responded with as many as 300 new housing units expected to come on-stream within three years. As many as 500 new hotels rooms are also on the books, the mayor says.

The city council is also in talks with nearby Bonnyville to annex about 1,220 hectares of land to “accommodate growth for the next 50 years.”

Housing and land are not the only challenges.

“There is pretty much room for any type of service,” said Sherri Bohme, executive director at Cold Lake Regional Chamber of Commerce. “We are somewhat underserviced in almost every business category. So the potential for start-up is great, but the availability of commercial land can be a challenge.”

Labour shortages are also chronic in the city, raising fears of an escalation in prices.

“It’s really hard in Cold Lake to attract healthcare professionals, teachers and people that work in the services industries and restaurants when rents are so high,” Mr. Copeland said. “A lot of people who don’t make oil sand wages were forced to leave the community because they could not afford to live here.”

Some government agencies such as the Lakeland Catholic School Board have purchased property and intend to rent out bedrooms to teachers at cheaper rates.

A report last year by the Department of National Defence and Canadian Forces Ombudsman highlighted the ugly side of the boom. Many Royal Canadian Force members in the city have been forced to take up a second job in the city to make ends meet.

“A number of families said they could no longer afford telephone, cable or Internet services,” the report said. Others sold belongings, dipped into their Registered Retirement Savings Plan funds and even claimed bankruptcy in order to meet their financial obligations.

While the business community grapples with the growing pains of the economy, it’s also mindful that the excesses of the boom could very easily be reversed, as the Canadian government makes changes to its temporary foreign workers program.

“The temporary foreign workers changes could potentially debilitate any potential growth of existing business and business coming in,” the chamber’s Ms. Bohme said.

The rules could have “devastating consequences” for the community, Mr. Copeland added. “Probably, within a year or two, this community is really going to feel an impact of a lot of fast food chains, restaurants that are fully staffed by foreign workers. The rules are going to cause devastating results. I don’t know how the hotels are going to cope,” he said.

The TFW program has come under fire as it’s seen as taking jobs away from Canadians, but Mr. Copeland does not see the logic especially in Alberta where there is a labour shortage.

“Nobody from Ontario and [the] East Coast is coming to Cold Lake to work in the fast food industry.”

But Ontarians and people from the East Coast are coming to the city for oil jobs.

“The baseball caps tell you their affiliation. You would be surprised at the number of people from southern Ontario that are based here,” said Mr. Copeland, who is originally from Mississauga, Ont.

Mr. Spence says unlike Fort McMurray where the majority of people are cooped up in campsites, Cold Lake offers an advantage when attracting talent. “They can drive home every night — there is a real selling feature to it.”

The city has an infrastructure deficit of $250-million, and although the oil sands companies are chipping in with contributions for the community, including the new Cold Lake Energy Centre, a multi-use recreation facility that can hold 1,800 people, Mr. Copeland believe federal and provincial governments need to help out more as the tiny city is an economic dynamo feeding taxes and employment to the rest of Canada.

Ms. Bohme believes Cold Lake can replicate Fort McMurray’s success, but sidestep its shortcomings.

“I am hoping that we have put enough things in place so that we don’t have some of the challenges Fort McMurray has.”

 
Yeah, the report came out last year, yet no changes in the past year....


 
Member in the original story got a posting to Quebec this summer. The system works.  :facepalm:
 
Quirky said:
Member in the original story got a posting to Quebec this summer. The system works.  :facepalm:

The preferable method of dealing with a problem:

Post it out.
 
Jim Seggie said:
The preferable method of dealing with a problem:

Post it out.

Thought it was promote and post? Can't complain about not getting enough money when he gets the $50 raise after taxes a month!
 
PuckChaser said:
Thought it was promote and post? Can't complain about not getting enough money when he gets the $50 raise after taxes a month!

Take what you save in housing costs and put it into RRSPs, thereby lowering your effective tax rate.
 
Sad to read.  One of the biggest mistakes the Government did was to hand over the reins of PMQ housing to CFHA.  Single soldiers always have the option of cheap, affordable barracks.  Nice for them, but married troops struggle mightily on some bases like Cold Lake where housing costs are through the roof.  Ideally, the PMQ's would be rented out on a scale reflective of rate of pay.  A Corporal with a wife and 3 children should pay less rent than a Warrant with 3 children.  Barracks rates and Mess dues are reflective of rank, why not Q's?
 
reccecrewman said:
Single soldiers do not always have the option of cheap, affordable barracks.

FTFY...depending on base policy, unless you are on TD or on course, living in barracks is not an option and
even single people are expected to live on the economy.
 
reccecrewman said:
  A Corporal with a wife and 3 children should pay less rent than a Warrant with 3 children. 

As much as there should be PMQ housing at a decent semi-market rate, I totally disagree with the above statement. 
...and it's pretty self-explanatory I do believe.
 
reccecrewman said:
Ideally, the PMQ's would be rented out on a scale reflective of rate of pay.  A Corporal with a wife and 3 children should pay less rent than a Warrant with 3 children.  Barracks rates and Mess dues are reflective of rank, why not Q's?

I have to agree. Frankly I think the PMQs ought to be there mainly for lower ranks first. I know most bases do offer PMQs in reverse order of rank. They ought to be affordable to those who need them.

The military makes special demands on families. They require soldiers to move, to uproot their families frequently. At the same time, having a dual income household is more and more the norm and more and more a neccessity. Being married to a CAF member makes it much more difficult for a spouse to build a real career of their own.
 
I stand by my statement on barracks being priced differently, however, my scope of view is narrow.  I was speaking strictly from experience with the RCD in Petawawa.  The NCO's barracks is a higher monthly rate than the Trooper's and Corporal's in F-16 on Worthington Parade Square.  Perhaps other Bases, prices are the same. I don't know. Also, they may have changed that policy as it's been a few years since I last checked, but when they renovated the NCO`s barracks, the prices were higher than the JR`s living in F-16.
 
reccecrewman said:
I stand by my statement on barracks being priced differently, however, my scope of view is narrow.  I was speaking strictly from experience with the RCD in Petawawa.  The NCO's barracks is a higher monthly rate than the Trooper's and Corporal's in F-16 on Worthington Parade Square.  Perhaps other Bases, prices are the same. I don't know. Also, they may have changed that policy as it's been a few years since I last checked, but when they renovated the NCO`s barracks, the prices were higher than the JR`s living in F-16.

The 'rent' for rooms in the Shacks is also dictated by the type of room one occupies.  A Single Occupancy room is more expensive than a Double Occupancy room.  Some shacks have Suites.  Rank is not necessarily the determining factor in what one will pay for rooms in the Shacks.  F-16 has Single Occupancy rooms and Multiple Occupancy rooms (for four pers) that are now classifed as Double Occupancy, so the pers living in those different rooms will also see differences in what is being deducted for Qtrs from their pay. 
 
Thank you for that George.  Clarifies things up nicely.  My apologies, I was under the belief it was based on rank.
 
reccecrewman said:
Thank you for that George.  Clarifies things up nicely.  My apologies, I was under the belief it was based on rank.

In a round about way, it is.  Who is entitled to what size room/suite is often based on rank.
 
kratz said:
FTFY...depending on base policy, unless you are on TD or on course, living in barracks is not an option and
even single people are expected to live on the economy.

It is a little bit pedantic but living in barracks is a viable option but only if the leadership allows it to be. Some places have embraced it while others leave shacks empty. And I do acknowledge that there are housing shortages in some bases.

A good solution that I saw in comox, which I have never seen before, is a series of small condo sized "apartments" that are controlled by base accommodations. They are perfect for a single member, and gives the members a sense of privacy often missing in shared accommodations. Yet the cf retains control and keeps the traditional barracks open for other needs such as person on TD, etc.
 
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