CF seeking 3 or 4 manned fixed-wing ISR planes

[The Bread Guy]

Update - potential bidders get a chance to chat up CF folks later this week.

More in the attached bid document update.

 

[McG]

Budget version of the P-8 Poseidon?

I would hope our future ISR platform is multi-role capable of both maritime surveilance & patrol (incl ASW) and ground surveilance.
We need both capabilities, but we cannot afford seperate units and airframes.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

TC operates King Airs, among others

Surveillance Fleet

    de Havilland Canada Dash 7-150IR
    Bombardier Dash 8M-100
    Cessna 550 Citation II
    Beechcraft King Air C90A

 

[The Bread Guy]

Sun Media catches up with the latest ....

The Canadian military is taking the first step toward getting new eyes in the sky to monitor the Arctic, watch domestic waters and even track movements in foreign battlegrounds.

Government officials met with possible suppliers in mid-September to gauge interest in providing "enduring, operational level, multi-sensor Manned Airborne Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) capability, deployable on short notice."

Suppliers have until Friday to tell the feds formally that they're interested in the possible project to provide three to four aircraft - even if they're used.

"Each aircraft shall, upon receipt, have minimum sufficient life remaining for 10 years/10,000 hours of usage," said officials in documents given to industry.

New planes would typically last much longer than a decade.

If Canada decides to pick up used planes, they may come from the United States or Britain.

The U.S. is set to declare up to a dozen of its turboprop MC-12W recon planes surplus next year.

Britain may also get rid of its Bombardier-built Sentinel jets after British forces come back from their mission in Afghanistan.

British Sentinels were also used to help French forces find Islamist targets in Mali earlier this year and in NATO's Libya air war in 2011 ....

Remember where you read it first 

 

[tomahawk6]

Global Hawk- cost $35m.Operating cost $18,900 an hour.Range 1400nm and 42 hour endurance.

http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/GlobalHawk/Pages/default.aspx

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/rq4-global-hawk-uav/

 

[Eye In The Sky]

and 42 hour endurance.

 

[Ostrozac]

Global Hawk- cost $35m.Operating cost $18,900 an hour.Range 1400nm and 42 hour endurance.

I think you're missing a decimal point on the range.

Jane's gives a comparable figure on endurance (36 hours for the RQ-4B model), but the range given in Jane's for the RQ-4B is listed as 14,000 miles (12,300 nautical miles).

1400 miles isn't a very impressive range for a country like Canada. 14,000 miles is VERY impressive.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

meanwhile back in the 30's 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_ANT-25

 

[The Bread Guy]

Bumped with the latest:  no, thanks, we'll buy American:

.... The purpose of this notice is to advise industry that, upon completion of an options analysis of this requirement, Canada has determined it will not seek a complete Manned Airborne Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Platform solution due to reasons of security and technical feasibility.  Rather, it is anticipated Canada will competitively procure some elements and obtain the others directly from the US government ....

More from The Canadian Press here.

 

[tomahawk6]

An article that says the the US MC-12W is in the running.

- Link removed IAW site policy - Milnet.ca Staff

 

[The Bread Guy]

The latest:

.... The purpose of this notice is to update industry on the Manned Airborne Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (MAISR) project. The Government of Canada will be seeking project approval to proceed with a three element approach:  The initial element will be a competitive procurement for three new, or nearly new, Beechcraft King Air 350ER platforms.  The second element will be the Prime Mission Equipment integration via a Foreign Military Sales Case competed by the United States Government. This element will leverage existing, operationally proven and airworthiness certified Military-Off-The-Shelf programs.  The last element will be the competitive procurement of In-Service Support services .... the MAISR project is still in the Options Analysis phase, which includes gaining a better understanding of the potential economic benefit of the MAISR project to Canada ....

 

[GAP]

the MAISR project is still in the Options Analysis phase, which includes gaining a better understanding of the potential economic benefit of the MAISR project to Canada ....

and here is what we will get...........

 

[The Bread Guy]

and here is what we will get...........

You wild-eyed optimist, you ....

 

[dimsum]

and here is what we will get...........

Made in Quebec, bien sur.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Bumped with a possible solution?  Highlights mine ....

The MC-12W Liberty reconnaissance aircraft will be completely removed from the US Air Force’s inventory by 1 October, but Air Combat Command says all of the aircraft will go to new owners and not the boneyard.

The militerised turboprops have all but departed their home at Beale AFB in California: 11 are shifting to the US Army and 26 are destine for US Special Operations Command.

That leaves four of the 41 aircraft unaccounted for, but a spokesman for ACC tells Flightglobal the plan for those last aircraft is still being finalised ....

 

[The Bread Guy]

Bumped with the latest from the latest set of contract docs:  “…. The date for Canada to host the industry day for MAISR In-Service Support procurement has changed from December 2015, to the first quarter of 2016 ….”

That is all ....

 

[dimsum]

Update:

The US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) has announced US State Department approval for the sale of three extended-range King Air 350ER business turboprops for use in Canada's Manned Airborne Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (MAISR) programme.

Announced on 4 October, the procurement will see the three aircraft undergo 'customer unique' modifications to suit them for the role, with their mission fit being listed as including L-3 Wescam's MX-15D electro-optic/infrared (EO/IR) imager, Northrop Grumman's AN/AAR-47B(V)2 missile and laser warning system and the BAE Systems/Extant Aerospace AN/ALE-47 countermeasures dispenser system. Other onboard equipment will include L-3 Communications Systems - West's Vortex transceiver, Raytheon's AN/APX-119 IFF transponder, the Rockwell Collins AN/ARC-210 transceiver, the KGV-135A communications security module, the KIV-77 cryptographic appliqué, and the KG-250X network encryptor.

With associated tool sets, ground support equipment, airframe and engine spares, training, and logistics added in, the MAISR aircraft will cost approximately USD300 million. In programmatic terms, the Canadian Government initiated a US Foreign Military Sales (FMS) process relating to its MAISR programme in April which in June evolved into a two-stage process: acquisition of the platforms and their mission systems, followed by the letting of a contract covering "complete programme" support services.

https://www.janes.com/article/83584/canada-to-acquire-trio-of-maisr-king-air-350er-aircraft

 

[blacktriangle]

Fun times.  :nod:

 

[MarkOttawa]

This acquisition will have taken over five years:

A Few Good ISR Planes for RCAF?
https://cgai3ds.wordpress.com/2013/08/21/mark-collins-a-few-good-isr-planes-for-rcaf/

Warp speed or something.

Mark
Ottawa

 

[dimsum]

This acquisition will have taken over five years:

Warp speed or something.

It's almost like all the heat and light on the other projects let this one slide under the radar undisturbed.