CF issued kit use for civi purposes

[Kat Stevens]

Take all your Gucci winter sniv kit, and go hunting.  Have one too many barley pops and catch your tent on fire.  About $1500 of John and Jane Q's hard earned tax bucks just went up in smoke.  the system allows for replacement under normal wear and tear while on duty.  Besides you're here to defend democracy, not necessarily live by it.

 

[kyleg]

Take all your Gucci winter sniv kit, and go hunting.  Have one too many barley pops and catch your tent on fire.  About $1500 of John and Jane Q's hard earned tax bucks just went up in smoke.  the system allows for replacement under normal wear and tear while on duty.  Besides you're here to defend democracy, not necessarily live by it.

I'm going to assume that was a joke...

 

[D-n-A]

Pinky, your can argue an debate this all day, but whats the point, you won't change any rules or anything. Your not allowed to use your issued kit for non-military uses, simple as that.

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

If you are unwilling to follow lawful commands then I suggest handing in your kit because the military is not for you.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

What ACTUAL harm is there in, say, wearing one's issue gore-tex jacket hunting?

The ACTUAL harm is in wearing out stuff when you don't need it, causing unnecessary replacement.  How hard is that to figure out on your own?

 

[COBRA-6]

I have a hard time seeing where all of you who refuse to budge from your "because it's against the rules" position are coming from. You mean to tell us that you follow every order, every rule and regulation to the letter, 100% of the time?? I call B.S.   :

I think there is plenty of room for common sense in this case, the world will not end if I wear my WWB on my own time, and if they catch fire, self destruct, or are stollen by kit-crazed hippie campers then I will fork over the cost to relpace them.

The ACTUAL harm is in wearing out stuff when you don't need it, causing unnecessary replacement.   How hard is that to figure out on your own?

What about the flip side? The CF's wearing out of my body parts, causing unnecessary replacement?   ;D

 

[George Wallace]

I have a hard time seeing where all of you who refuse to budge from your "because it's against the rules" position are coming from. You mean to tell us that you follow every order, every rule and regulation to the letter, 100% of the time?? I call B.S.   :

This!?!?  From a Reserve OFFICER?!?!

Quite frankly I am Shocked.....

 

[sdimock]

Mike_R23A,

Some of the kit I've been issued is better than some of my personal items, but for me it's a matter of principle that I buy/use my own boots etc. and not the crowns on my own time.

Chimo

 

[kyleg]

I was beginning to think I was the only one that thought that way. Thanks Mike  ;D

Cheers,
Pinky

 

[George Wallace]

I was beginning to think I was the only one that thought that way. Thanks Mike   ;D

Cheers,
Pinky

Insubordination.  Outright disregard for Rules and Regulations.  Now you have a Reserve Officer whom you can hold in high esteem because he agrees with you.  Sick.  Neither of you have what it takes ethically to be in the CF in any capacity.

 

[paracowboy]

If there's wiggle room, you take it.
If you can convince the Officer that a frontal is not the best way, more power to you.
If you can better accomplish the mission by disobeying orders, then have at 'er, and fight the court martial.

In this case, none of that applies. It is purely selfish concerns causing you to disobey a lawful, written command. Whether I like it, or agree with it, is equally irrelevent. I signed a contract and swore an oath.

You want to wear your uniform on Leave, or what have you, write a memo.

 

[Meridian]

The ACTUAL harm is in wearing out stuff when you don't need it, causing unnecessary replacement.  How hard is that to figure out on your own?

I cant believe it took this long for someone tos ay it..

Just because you dont lose it or damage it, doesn't mean added WEAR isnt made to the garment. Im sure everyone's seen how fast the cadpat fades, and we all know everything is lowest-bidder bought...  so why would you expect things to survive additional wear?  If its the Crown asking you to wear it down, then some beancounter can justify that. But as a taxpayer, I dont really feel the need to subsidize your hunting gear, especially when it takes years just to issue new kit in the first place.

 

[kyleg]

What kind of wear would there be on a gore-tex jacket if I wore it outside one cold winter day while walking my dog? I'm not crawling on the asphalt with it

 

[Michael Dorosh]

What kind of wear would there be on a gore-tex jacket if I wore it outside one cold winter day while walking my dog? I'm not crawling on the asphalt with it

Why don't you ask your RSM that question; see what he tells you.  We'd all be interested in hearing the answer.

 

[George Wallace]

Yer Daft Boy!  

Like Michael says.....Walk up to your RSM while walking yer dog, wearing yer free Gov't Issue Gortex coat.....You sure don't listen well....you are like that guy crunching away on his cereal at work as he is getting fired and giving the big 'thumbs up', not hearing a thing.

Go down to the Armoury right now and turn all that kit in...you are to fr****g St****d to wear it in the first place!  You're worst than a Homeless person getting free cloths from the shelter.  You little scam artist you.  :

 

[kyleg]

Wallace, I never said I actually use my issued kit when off duty, I just don't agree with the rule (plus, I have better civy gear anyways, despite what my previous posts may suggest). I see no reason for your attacks and take offense at being told that, because of my position on this issue, I should leave the CF for being 'too frigging stupid' to wear the uniform. Your assumption that my ethics are not up to par based on the fact that I disagree with - but still follow - a lawful command is completely false. I highly doubt that you've agreed with every lawful order you've been given.

I have in no way, shape, or form insulted anyone in this forum for holding views different from my own and demand the same respect in return. If you disagree with me that's a-ok. But don't insult me for it.

 

[George Wallace]

Wallace, I never said I actually use my issued kit when off duty, I just don't agree with the rule (plus, I have better civy gear anyways, despite what my previous posts may suggest).

Pinky, I do believe you actually did say those things, but I will accept your statement above as is and will hold you to it.

 

[TCBF]

"What about the flip side? The CF's wearing out of my body parts, causing unnecessary replacement?"

- they may do hip and knee replacements, but brain replacements are a ways off yet.

;D

Tom 

 

[kyleg]

Pinky, I do believe you actually did say those things, but I will accept your statement above as is and will hold you to it.

I just read through my posts, and yes, I DID say those things. Unfortunately it seemed more obvious that the situations in my posts were hypothetical while I was typing them than it does now. Just to clarify, all situations relating to the use of issued kit civy side in my posts ARE hypothetical.

 

[KevinB]

AKKK

Someone kill this thread.

If I (of all people) defend a decision (not wearing issue kit off duty) of the chain of command - odds are there is a point.

Michael Dorosh hit the nail on the head with his post.
  The kit belongs to the Queen - end stop

Damn I wear as little issue kit as I can even on duty (it causes cancer dontcha know  ;D)