Canadian Foreign Interference (General)

[ArmyRick]

If Elizabeth May can read a report and give a presser,

And what came of that presser? Nothing. More obscurity. She was like "Nothing to worry about here". And Jagmeet Singh was just the opposite. He was worried.

So who to believe? Yeah exactly.

I still think Pierre Poilievre made the right call. And how did it hurt his position? Not at all.

 

[brihard]

And what came of that presser? Nothing. More obscurity. She was like "Nothing to worry about here". And Jagmeet Singh was just the opposite. He was worried.

So who to believe? Yeah exactly.

I still think Pierre Poilievre made the right call. And how did it hurt his position? Not at all.

And out of my whole post you pick that one line and only reply to it. As expected, you show no real insight into or understanding of the subject matter.

 

[ArmyRick]

And out of my whole post you pick that one line and only reply to it. As expected, you show no real insight into or understanding of the subject matter.

I have a lot more "whole picture" understanding than you will EVER have. If I was overly concerned about the exactness of the laws, I can take the time to bug lawyer friends to read it and explain the gritty details to me.

Pierre Poilievre came out ahead by not playing into Trudeau's trap and demonstrated political master class against Trudeau and the LPC again. Something you CAN'T wrap your head around.

 

[brihard]

I have a lot more "whole picture" understanding than you will EVER have. If I was overly concerned about the exactness of the laws, I can take the time to bug lawyer friends to read it and explain the gritty details to me.

Pierre Poilievre came out ahead by not playing into Trudeau's trap and demonstrated political master class against Trudeau and the LPC again. Something you CAN'T wrap your head around.

I will defer to your lawyer friends and their real life experience with investigations and prosecutions under the Security of Information Act.

 

[ArmyRick]

I will call it a night on this discussion. If you need to talk to me further, I am the green fuzzy guy that lives in a garbage can on Sesame Street.

 

[McG]

Having a security clearance does not “muzzle” anyone. You are not allowed to share secret information whether you have a clearance or not. What having a security does is to grant legal access to secret information that you need.

 

[Rifleman62]

PP could renew his security clearance and not read the report.
Then what would some say?

 

[PuckChaser]

PP could renew his security clearance and not read the report.
Then what would some say?

They'd have to find something else to fake outrage about.

 

[Remius]

PP could renew his security clearance and not read the report.
Then what would some say?

Probably the same thing. Just read the report.

CSIS felt it necessary to offer a limited briefing and even then refused

 

[ArmyRick]

Probably the same thing. Just read the report.

CSIS felt it necessary to offer a limited briefing and even then refused

Your showing your lack of political situational awareness. No one gives a rats ass now if he had his clearance and took the briefing or not. The wild west of Canadian politics has way moved on from that. Its grasping at desperate smear attempts like that that leaves the anti-Poilievre crowd in the very small minority.

 

[Remius]

Your showing your lack of political situational awareness. No one gives a rats ass now if he had his clearance and took the briefing or not. The wild west of Canadian politics has way moved on from that. Its grasping at desperate smear attempts like that that leaves the anti-Poilievre crowd in the very small minority.

Sure Rick. Whatever calms you down. But thanks for stating his refusal to read it is politically motivated. On that we agree.

 

[ArmyRick]

Sure Rick. Whatever calms you down. But thanks for stating his refusal to read it is politically motivated. On that we agree.

Broken clock is right twice a day, which one of us is the broken clock?

 

[ArmyRick]

Sure Rick. Whatever calms you down. But thanks for stating his refusal to read it is politically motivated. On that we agree.

Seriously, in my mind, you don't separate good politics from doing what is right. Where as bad politics (or bad political moves) are just that.

 

[RangerRay]

Looks like a grab bag of Conservative and NDP pols, including the mayor of Vancouver, was at a gathering of pro-Beijing groups.

Vancouver Mayor meets pro-China groups, diplomats, two weeks after Hogue Commission’s warning

Mayor's spokesman downplays attendance at Chinese Benevolent Association banquet

bobmackin.substack.com

Sim, NDP-aligned Burnaby Coun. James Wang and Conservative MLAs Steve Kooner and Dallas Brodie joined the People’s Republic of China’s Deputy Consul Gen. Zeng Zhi at the Terminal City Club, where attendees stood for the singing of the “March of the Volunteers” Chinese Communist Party (CCP) national anthem.

Sim posed for photographs with CBA chair Helen Qian Hua (organizer of a 2013 gala marking 120 years since Mao Zedong’s birth), Canada Shandong Business Association head Zheng Yan (leader of a 2023 Vancouver delegation to China for Xi Jinping Thought sessions) and Canada China Cultural Communication Association director Ye Hongtao (a participant in the August 2019 pro-CCP protests in Vancouver).

Almost two years ago, leaks of Canadian Security Intelligence Service documents indicated a Chinese diplomat in Vancouver worked to help get a Chinese-Canadian candidate elected mayor in 2022. Sim and his ABC Vancouver party won a landslide over pro-Taiwan incumbent Mayor Kennedy Stewart, but he scoffed at the suggestion.

The former NDP-aligned mayor was an ardent critic of Beijing and advocated greater ties to Taiwan.

 

[RangerRay]

More on how Project Sidewinder was scuttled by CSIS in the 90’s.

Canada Allegedly Gutted a '97 Report That Recommended a Border Strike Force Targeting PRC Triads. Now Washington Wants Action.

OTTAWA, Canada – The author of the controversial Sidewinder report—a joint 1997 RCMP-CSIS study alleging that Chinese Triads linked to Beijing’s intelligence and influence networks had infiltrated Canadian cities and ports, including Vancouver—has come forward with new details on CSIS’s alleged...

www.thebureau.news

 

[OldSolduer]

More on how Project Sidewinder was scuttled by CSIS in the 90’s.

Canada Allegedly Gutted a '97 Report That Recommended a Border Strike Force Targeting PRC Triads. Now Washington Wants Action.

OTTAWA, Canada – The author of the controversial Sidewinder report—a joint 1997 RCMP-CSIS study alleging that Chinese Triads linked to Beijing’s intelligence and influence networks had infiltrated Canadian cities and ports, including Vancouver—has come forward with new details on CSIS’s alleged...

www.thebureau.news

Not surprising that evidence was destroyed. It’s the Canadian way of avoiding having to do something hard.

We shall reap what the spineless bureaucrats and buffoons sow

 

[RangerRay]

Not a fan of the guy hosting the podcast, but Cooper is reporting how the United Front is mobilizing support for Carney and against Kenny Chiu in Richmond.

Mark Carney, Beijing's United Front, and the Battle for Richmond

United Front operatives were seen mobilizing support for Carney and Parm Bains in Richmond, while Kenny Chiu faces attacks citing the Hogue Commission’s report.

www.thebureau.news

 

[Fishbone Jones]

It's all moot anyway, according to the Hogue report. Nothing to see here.

 

[brihard]

For anyone looking for a way to spend 35 minutes and who’s interested I n this subject, here’s an interesting and accessible podcast episode I just listened to on foreign interference:

The guest is Michelle Tessier, retired Deputy Director of Operations at CSIS. The hosts are all current national security academics, Stephanie Carvin, Jess Davis, and Leah West, who formerly worked at CSIS, FINTRAC, and the DoJ National Security Litigation Advisory Group. They’re a knowledgeable bunch. The episode hits in various aspects of our response to FI, some of the info sharing and disclosure challenges that complicate prosecutions, etc.

 

[RangerRay]

For anyone looking for a way to spend 35 minutes and who’s interested I n this subject, here’s an interesting and accessible podcast episode I just listened to on foreign interference:

The guest is Michelle Tessier, retired Deputy Director of Operations at CSIS. The hosts are all current national security academics, Stephanie Carvin, Jess Davis, and Leah West, who formerly worked at CSIS, FINTRAC, and the DoJ National Security Litigation Advisory Group. They’re a knowledgeable bunch. The episode hits in various aspects of our response to FI, some of the info sharing and disclosure challenges that complicate prosecutions, etc.

I like this podcast, but I stopped listening to this episode when it sounded like it was recorded before the release of the Hogue report. I hate reading/listening/watching about speculation about something after that thing happened. I would have been interested to hear what they thought about the report after it was released.