CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Kirkhill]

Team Canada Quebec

Time for Quebec to join Canada. If they do not then say goodby to 2025-26 $13.6 billion, up a quarter billion from 2024-25 in annual equalization payments. This is included in the 2025-26 $29.3 billion through major transfers to Quebec.

Look at the savings. Nothing would have to be translated from English, you would not have to have a language profile for promotion, etc, etc.


Y.F Blanchet says he strongly opposes ANY pipeline from Western Canada through Quebec to the the Atlantic...Because it would sacrifice the prosperity and undermine the sovereignty of Quebec.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887525339913433175

Right then.

Hudson's Bay it is then.

Self financing with the money not being shared with Quebec.

 

[calculus]

They may be different than other countries or not to the same extent, but, the US has restrictions or limitations on the movement of goods, services and labour between states. They just don't like other nations' protections. It is similar to the myth that their agricultural sector isn't subsidized.

Don't disagree, but this isn't about what they do, it's about what other countries do to restrict trade. Logic does not apply.

 

[Quirky]

the sovereignty of Quebec.

It's amazing to think what Canada could have been if Quebec wasn't Quebec.

 

[Kirkhill]

Team Canada Quebec

Time for Quebec to join Canada. If they do not then say goodby to 2025-26 $13.6 billion, up a quarter billion from 2024-25 in annual equalization payments. This is included in the 2025-26 $29.3 billion through major transfers to Quebec.

Look at the savings. Nothing would have to be translated from English, you would not have to have a language profile for promotion, etc, etc.


Y.F Blanchet says he strongly opposes ANY pipeline from Western Canada through Quebec to the the Atlantic...Because it would sacrifice the prosperity and undermine the sovereignty of Quebec.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887525339913433175

https://www.cbc.ca/news/climate/quebec-hydro-drought-hydroelectricity-climate-1.7309366

Demand for cheap, clean hydropower is soaring. Can Quebec keep up?​

Low water levels forced Hydro-Quebec to cut electricity exports last year​

Benjamin Shingler · CBC News · Posted: Aug 31, 2024 2:00 AM MDT | Last Updated: August 31, 2024

the public utility's reservoir levels fell far below average in 2023, during an unusually hot and dry year across Canada,

In its annual report, Hydro-Quebec blamed "scant snow cover" as well as "lower-than-usual spring runoff and modest summer and fall precipitation in northern Quebec" for the lower than usual "inflows to the company's large reservoirs."

That meant the public utility was forced to cut back exports last year to 23 Terawatt hours (TWh) — about nine per cent less than the year prior.

B.C. Hydro was even worse off, and was forced to import more power from the U.S. last year because of dry conditions. Manitoba's hydro production also dropped by 12 per cent.

Overall, exports to the U.S. from Canada fell nearly 25 per cent last year, to the lowest level since 2016.

Just a reminder where all that water came from



8500 Years ago Northern Quebec, Hudson's Bay and The Barren Lands were one big glacier.
7000 Years ago Hudson's Bay was open water seasonally but the Barren Lands and Northern Quebec were two separate glaciers.
5000 Years ago The Barren Lands, Northern Quebec and Hudson's Bay looked pretty much like today as all the ice had melted and created lakes.

Those lakes are the ones we are emptying today.

And all of the rivers that run east west, especially those fed from the Rocky Mountain spine, have been drying up from south to north as the mountain glaciers all melted over the last 10,000 years.

Hydro is not a reliable source of energy.

 

[Kirkhill]

Movement from the Natural Resources Minister

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/west-east-pipeline-jonathan-wilkinson-1.7452406

But

Lorne Gunter: Quebec's Legault scuttles notion of eastern pipeline, national co-operation

While Quebec receives half of national equalization payments, largely from Alberta oil, Legault continues to oppose a pipeline to the east

edmontonjournal.com

Which led Lorne Gunter to ask this:

When Alberta Premier Danielle Smith stood alone after the first emergency tariff summit of premiers and the prime minister in January — when she refused to sign their joint statement — she was roundly criticized (and unjustly so) for not going along with the national consensus.

So how come Legault isn’t facing similar criticism for undermining national efforts to strengthen the economy and nation?

 

[Quirky]

Which led Lorne Gunter to ask this:

It's delicious to see Quebec get a kick in the teeth before these tariffs are implemented.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/layoffs-tariff-threats-1.7451146

 

[Fishbone Jones]

This kind of inflexibility irritates the Americans, and also resulted in Britain walking away from free trade talks:

Canada will not make concessions on supply management, minister says

International Trade Minister Mary Ng explicitly says the federal government will not be making concessions on supply management.

www.ctvnews.ca

It's unfortunate, but there will be some pain to some industries to protect the rest of Canada from punitive tariffs.

Bad move for negotiations. Never, say no. Once you say no, and you walk, you close all options to find a win win. There may be new ideas or compromises but you just put it all in the shitter.

Talk not walk. It's why good negotiations take time and patience

All she has done is put Trump’s back up, given him more reason to retaliate and created a rift in a very important area of trade talks. Such an amateur move made by a Trade Minister.

 

[OldSolduer]

Bad move for negotiations. Never, say no. Once you say no, and you walk, you close all options to find a win win. There may be new ideas or compromises but you just put it all in the shitter.

Talk not walk. It's why good negotiations take time and patience

All she has done is put Trump’s back up, given him more reason to retaliate and created a rift in a very important area of trade talks. Such an amateur move made by a Trade Minister.

An amateur Trade Minister.

 

[Good2Golf]

An amateur Trade Minister.

The People’s Republic of China will try to do better next time…

"CSIS Assessed that Mary Ng was Unwittingly Implicated In This Interference Network"

According to three national security sources, Liberal cabinet minister Mary Ng was identified in CSIS investigations as one of 11 Toronto-area candidates clandestinely supported by Chinese Consulate

www.thebureau.news

 

[mariomike]

It's delicious to see Quebec get a kick in the teeth before these tariffs are implemented.

Nice.

 

[OldSolduer]

The People’s Republic of China will try to do better next time…

"CSIS Assessed that Mary Ng was Unwittingly Implicated In This Interference Network"

According to three national security sources, Liberal cabinet minister Mary Ng was identified in CSIS investigations as one of 11 Toronto-area candidates clandestinely supported by Chinese Consulate

www.thebureau.news

And do what? Make her a professional Trade Minister? - you are such a jester!!!

 

[Remius]

Canadians pick Mark Carney over Pierre Poilievre, Chrystia Freeland and Karina Gould to negotiate with Donald Trump: Nanos survey

Liberal leadership candidate Mark Carney would do the best job at negotiating with U.S. President Donald Trump, over Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre and fellow leadership candidates Chrystia Freeland and Karina Gould, according to new polling from Nanos Research conducted for CTV News.

www.ctvnews.ca

A lot to unpack in this one. Glad support for increased defence spending is up.

 

[RangerRay]

Canadians pick Mark Carney over Pierre Poilievre, Chrystia Freeland and Karina Gould to negotiate with Donald Trump: Nanos survey

Liberal leadership candidate Mark Carney would do the best job at negotiating with U.S. President Donald Trump, over Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre and fellow leadership candidates Chrystia Freeland and Karina Gould, according to new polling from Nanos Research conducted for CTV News.

www.ctvnews.ca

A lot to unpack in this one. Glad support for increased defence spending is up.

40 to 26 says Carney is better to deal with Trump than Poilievre. As I feared, people are viewing Carney as the grown-up “money guy” and either don’t know or don’t care that he’s got the former Trudeau crew working for him. Whenever I bring up his net zero stuff, people look at me like I’m saying aliens faked the moon landing.

The Tories are going to have to up their game. It was easy when their opponent was an incompetent man-child. But things have changed. Now people want a grown-up who can deal with Trump.

 

[Quirky]

Whenever I bring up his net zero stuff, people look at me like I’m saying aliens faked the moon landing.

If Trump doesn't end up imposing tariffs and taxes on Canadians, Mark Carnage will.

 

[GK .Dundas]

40 to 26 says Carney is better to deal with Trump than Poilievre. As I feared, people are viewing Carney as the grown-up “money guy” and either don’t know or don’t care that he’s got the former Trudeau crew working for him. Whenever I bring up his net zero stuff, people look at me like I’m saying aliens faked the moon landing.

The Tories are going to have to up their game. It was easy when their opponent was an incompetent man-child. But things have changed. Now people want a grown-up who can deal with Trump.

They had one and for reasons that surpasses my understanding of the world they dumped O'Toole and chose Poilieve.

 

[Remius]

40 to 26 says Carney is better to deal with Trump than Poilievre. As I feared, people are viewing Carney as the grown-up “money guy” and either don’t know or don’t care that he’s got the former Trudeau crew working for him. Whenever I bring up his net zero stuff, people look at me like I’m saying aliens faked the moon landing.

The Tories are going to have to up their game. It was easy when their opponent was an incompetent man-child. But things have changed. Now people want a grown-up who can deal with Trump.

That’s the challenge.

Andrew Coyne mentioned that the base is still solid. But for the rest PP is sounding like yesterday’s man.

Trudeau Trudeau Trudeau isn’t working any more. Neither is axe the tax.

PP gave a great speech on fentanyl but most Canadians aren’t buying that that is really what Trump is after.

As for Carney. The CPC are victims of their own PR campaign. They linked everything to Trudeau. Or Trudeau Singh. They are trying to pivot a bit but it’s not sticking. And a lot of that has to do with trump south of us.

PP has been making more legacy media appearances. Something he was avoiding. Hard to be in opposition during a crisis.

 

[RangerRay]

That’s the challenge.

Andrew Coyne mentioned that the base is still solid. But for the rest PP is sounding like yesterday’s man.

Trudeau Trudeau Trudeau isn’t working any more. Neither is axe the tax.

PP gave a great speech on fentanyl but most Canadians aren’t buying that that is really what Trump is after.

As for Carney. The CPC are victims of their own PR campaign. They linked everything to Trudeau. Or Trudeau Singh. They are trying to pivot a bit but it’s not sticking. And a lot of that has to do with trump south of us.

PP has been making more legacy media appearances. Something he was avoiding. Hard to be in opposition during a crisis.

Yep. How to deal with Trump’s threats of economic destruction is now the election question. And the money guy headed the Bank of Canada during the 2008 financial crisis that we actually fared well in compared to our peers. Doesn’t matter that I think he’s more of a smarter version of Trudeau. People are seeing a grown up who knows money.

 

[RangerRay]

They had one and for reasons that surpasses my understanding of the world they dumped O'Toole and chose Poilieve.

Yeah. Unfortunately between his waffling on the convoy and the machinations of the pro-PRC faction of the party, he was doomed.

 

[brihard]

The Tories are going to have to up their game. It was easy when their opponent was an incompetent man-child. But things have changed. Now people want a grown-up who can deal with Trump.

Regardless of one’s political preferences this is a ‘good problem’. Swapping from someone viewed as a ‘man child’ to someone viewed as a ‘grown up who can deal with Trump’ is an improvement.

There’s tons of room for more improvement obviously.

 

[ArmyRick]

One thing to consider. Pierre Poilievre made an absolute fool out of Carney when Carney appeared at a parliamentary committee. Warren Kinsella (Chretein's campaign strategist) warned that during the LPC leadership race their would be a slight bump in the polls and the opposition parties would disappear from the radar for awhile.

Carney is still word salading and tossing around loosey goosey wishy washy ideas, and trust me most Canadians see right through it. Especially younger ones (like under 40). What do you think will happen when an actual election is called? Carney still wants a carbon tax (tax the industries and the consumer still pays). He has little to no mention of tapping into Canada resource sector and he is still on about "green energy". These things will kill Carney in an election.