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Kyle Burrows said:Correct and develop, don't punish and leave in the dirt.
There is a time for both Kyle, believe it or not.
Kyle Burrows said:Correct and develop, don't punish and leave in the dirt.
You are absolutely right. Given the time line here, running them through the dirt MAY have already been done. What isalso being done here, and what is MORE important, is that we learn from our mistakes.CDN Aviator said:There is a time for both Kyle, believe it or not.
rwgill said:This site, and similiar sites, do an excellent job at policing themselves.............to protect the image of Cadets and the CF, by using moderators. Other sites, like YouTube, flickr, Photobucket, MySpace and even eBay do nothing unless a complaint is made. Luckily this incident was quashed before any real and major damage could be done. Making Cadets aware of this will help not only the CCO, but also the CF.
Kyle Burrows said:Cadets is an organization that focuses on developing youth, not slapping them down for doing something wrong. The issue is being resolved by the CO of the RCSU and the Bde Comd and we should leave it at that.
Frederik G said:How so? By breeding cadets--the future CF members, I assume, that will bring the benefits to the CF--who will believe that if they screw up massively, it's okay, because they'll just get "counselled," and nothing will actually happen? By breeding a culture of pointing the finger at everyone else, as Mr. Burrows is doing?
rwgill said:1. Punishment is a short term solution to any given problem.
2. Counselling, though a softer approach, has better long term effects.
3. Mr. Burrows, is taking a bang-on approach. We have to find out why. It is the only way to be able to properly correct the problem.
Joe Canadian often gets the two (Cadets and the CF) mixed up.
By no means am I absolving the guilty parties. What I'm saying point-blank is that cadets aren't educated enough about what should and shouldn't be posted on the internet. This incident is the first I've ever heard of. By all means, punish the troops for making a stupid video, but you can't legitimately lay the blame solely on them and dish out a severe punishment.Frederik G said:How so? By breeding cadets--the future CF members, I assume, that will bring the benefits to the CF--who will believe that if they screw up massively, it's okay, because they'll just get "counselled," and nothing will actually happen? By breeding a culture of pointing the finger at everyone else, as Mr. Burrows is doing?
I hate to play up the slippery slope, but considering some cadets get to St-Jean with the laughable idea that they know what "the Army" is about, they're likely to bring with them the idea that if you break the rules, you won't get punished. Those people will be a liability at best, a danger to others and themselves at worse. That is not what the CF need right now, or ever.
NL_engineer said::
If they are going to do room clearing drills, they should be done according to the pam.
After looking at that video, it places the CF in a bad light, because of the actions of some 13 (just a random age) year old kids. My point comes from the "Cut His Throat" made around 42 seconds in; and the treatment of the PW's in particular the stabbing actions made 49 seconds in.
rwgill said:Page 2 Eddy
The offendings videos haves been pulled from You Tube.
If you are still interested, there are some great Cadet You Tube videos here:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dcdts
Frederik G said:And that's relevant, how? It has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Rocketryan said:He was helping FastEddy by posting a quote which gave the best explanation of the video.
And he posted a link to youtube showing different Army Cadet videos since I am sure he thought that FastEddy might have also been looking for various Cadet videos.
FastEddy said:Perhaps, some kind soul could bring me (and other late readers) up to date on the subject of this video and its contents
Frederik G said:He asked specifically for
NOT cadet videos in general. The topic at hand is that despicable show of idiocy in the filming and posting of that video, not cadet videos in general, as I'm sure there are a lot of good ones.
Frederik G said:He asked specifically for
NOT cadet videos in general. The topic at hand is that despicable show of idiocy in the filming and posting of that video, not cadet videos in general, as I'm sure there are a lot of good ones.
We do deal with every post report and valid ones are logged. When a report it made EVERY moderator receives the email and those that require action are dealt with.Frederik G said:Reporting posts apparently accomplishes nothing, even when there is a blatant breach of the guidelines (not that it was the case in this instance), hence my pointing out that the post was irrelevant to the topic at hand rather than using the post report thinger. Besides, as you don't seem to agree with my assessment that the post was useless, and you're the mod for this part of the boards, I don't see what it would have accomplished, even if reporting posts worked in other instances.
Proud Forester said:Appropriate action was taken. That is that. If you genuinley have an issue with how this is situation was delt with, I will walk down the hall and ask for Col Armstong for his email, so you can personally voice your complaints.
Freddy G, dude, chill out. Judging by your profile, well lack of. I will assume you are in cadets, thus your interest in this forum. You have been here since 2001, so longer then me, though you dont seem to get the just of the whole, being nice to the random people that run this place thing. Stop complaining about how the VOLUNTEERS to run this place, run it. Unless you have a valid complaint, then do what Mr Burrows said, PM the Site Owner..
PS-Kyle, I got a good chuckle out of your use of the word tomfoolery