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CA calls for 80,000 Personelle including Airborne

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I thought the whole point behind the ALSC project is to give these ships different capabilities, including the capacity to deploy troops to an area of ops. They are also meant to have ro-ro capabilities, C and C, medical and dental facilities and a large helicopter deck. Maybe we can get away with it, but it remains to see if it is going to come through... by the way, I was briefed on the ALSC some time ago and there was talk of a fifth unit. That extra unit would be permanently attached to the Army for trg / ops.
 
The point of the ALSC as I understand it from some navy guys I‘ve chatted with is primarily to replace the PROTECTEUR class oilers, which are in need of replacement after over 30 years of service. The sealift capability is just an addon. If you‘re going to get a new ship for one purpose (UNREP), and you‘re in need of another service that the same platform can perform, you might as well try to fit it into the design, hence why ALSC will have some sealift capability.

It would be nice to have a 5th unit, that way, we could have the 5th unit fully dedicated to the sealift and other extra functions as its primary purpose, resupplying the navy, would already be covered by the other four ships.

Ideally, it would be nice for the best product to win, I agree. However, no government works that way. They all go for the cheapest bidder who meets the requirements.
 
Re: cheapest bidders; had they gone for the cheapest bidder when they were purchasing art for the national gallery, perhaps they wouldn‘t have spent 1.6 million for Voice of Fire?

Everyone has their pet projects; those of us on the board have a vested interest in money going to the Forces. SNoseworthy does raise the very good point that a bit of perspective will tell us that others want to spend money too; it is possible many hospitals in Canada have MRI machines lacking "bells and whistles" because money went to the Forces instead of to health care. It‘s unfortunately a balancing act that too few critics here and everywhere have any appreciation for.

Of course, some items such as exorbitantly priced artwork, books of "blonde jokes", and subterranean walkways for MPs to get to their cars do make one wonder if those in charge of the money have an appreciation for it either!
 
Well if there is talk of a fifth unit, it would be great if they could bring an army unit (regular) back to British Columbia. Integration with the Navy would be good, and we would have a pacific based force.
 
Michael, I agree, it‘s a waste of money for books on blonde jokes. Everyone knows that the only joke book worth buying are Newfie jokes :D
 
SNoseworthy - heh, point taken. In all seriousness though, being from Alberta - I‘ve yet to meet a girl from Newfoundland who wasn‘t completely down to earth, unlike some of the pickings around here. Is it any different where you‘re from? Maybe I just have a thing for the accent, but I‘ve never met a girl from Newfoundland I didn‘t like; I‘d rate them as the all-round best in Canada.

Still, given what they did at Gallipoli and the Somme, and again in the RA in WW II, I‘d never complain about sharing my trench with a Newfoundlander.

Is it true what Stompin Tom says about the Man in the Moon? ;)
 
Well Michael,

I‘ve encountered a few snobby women in my time, but for the most part, all the women (who are Newfs) that I‘ve met are o.k.

Is it true what Stompin Tom says about the Man in the Moon?
I‘ve never heard his comment on that...all I know by Stompin Tom is the Good old hockey game :D
 
Talk about a pipe dream -- what the **** have they been smokin‘.

BTW, didn‘t I see Harper, Benoit, and Grey at the Million Marijuana March in Toronto over the weekend? I think they won the award for ‘best stoner.‘
 
Perhaps we should stick with things that really matters first, like getting enough ammo for genuine training or funds to allow troops to parade once every wek?
 
Well, there‘s nothing wrong with some long term planning, I just with the party that was actually in power was the ones doing it!
 
In my opinion, long term planning is key, because if we don‘t know where we‘re going, we‘ll just stumble around like fools, totally unprepared and unready to deal with the revolution in military affairs.

However, Bedpan does raise an excellent point. I find it terrible that reserve units run out of money for weekly parades sometimes months before the end of the fiscal year. The amount of money a reserve unit gets is proportional to how many of its members show up for parades I believe. While this is a good way to look at funding, so that the more active, dedicated units, get the funds (well, it‘s more proper to say the units with the more dedicated personnel, even though I‘m reluctant to make that distinguishment) it deserves. However, it is important for us to consider that even though a unit might not have as much active participation as another reserve unit, it is still vital that that unit has enough money to allow the dedicated personnel within it to regularly train.

It is also important to remember that DND gives reserve units a good bit of money, and most make it through on that money. Thus, in addition to better funding for reserve units, DND has to crack down on wasteful spending by those units. I‘m sure there are a few cases where the unit hasn‘t been able to parade because its financial administrators have blown all the funds on unnecessary endeavours.
 
Good point. As it stands now (i think) a reserve regiment is given money to support 70% of their numbers. If 90% of the regiment show up for parade nights and excercises they will run out of money.
 
What does everyone think about their plan to do away with the CF and reinstate the Canadian Army, RCN, RCAF?
 
Why not have regular audits run by Fin personnel not affiliated with the bde a subj unit is in? I have seen too many wasted dollars by people that do not have to account for their expenditure. Not enough people believe in the fact that the unit mission should come first, NOT special events for a select few. Pers in charge of accounts should not only be held accountable (in many cases, they are NOT), but also recv some training in budget management and and the management of proper priorities. PERHAPS the money each unit needs is there, it‘s just not being handled responsibly.
 
Splitting up the Canadian Forces won‘t do anything to help the situation. All they‘re doing is appealing to the nostagla (sp?) of the older military personnel in my opinion. Removing the current level of integration will meanthe amount of expenditures that DND incurs going up which is not the best financial scenario. Right now, DND has a good infrastructure plan for expenses with the integrated structure. No need to fix something that isn‘t broken.
 
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