• Thanks for stopping by. Logging in to a registered account will remove all generic ads. Please reach out with any questions or concerns.

C3 Howitzer Replacement

Spencer100 said:
They didn't even show up. Paccar doesn't have Milspec model. It costs tons of money to have a military complaint model.

Back to Viking it was reported they got the business very very cheap. Basically please finish the order book on the Dash8 (Q400) and some few some money. They are basically going to run the spares businesses. They also got the Type Cert for Waterbombers 215,215T, 415 and looking to build a new 515. They also have the Shorts 330 and Sherpa too.
Click to expand...
Pacar (Kenworth) Does supply a milspec truck has all the blackout lights etc required even comes in Carc green. Special order....

Viking has been overhauling, restoring, rebuilding the smaller line for years. They were the guys doing Turbo Beaver and Otter installs. They were trying to get the certs for the rest of Canadair/De Haviland.
They bought Beavers from all over the world to convert over and parts.
Amazing little company that had a vision and stuck with it.
 
childs56 said:
Pacar (Kenworth) Does supply a milspec truck has all the blackout lights etc required even comes in Carc green. Special order....

Viking has been overhauling, restoring, rebuilding the smaller line for years. They were the guys doing Turbo Beaver and Otter installs. They were trying to get the certs for the rest of Canadair/De Haviland.
They bought Beavers from all over the world to convert over and parts.
Amazing little company that had a vision and stuck with it.
Click to expand...
Well that would explain why Ottawa seems to have a hate on for them.
 
Back to the C3 replacement.

In praise of the 105s. In particular the M119A3 for the Ukrainians.

This brings us to the U.S. Army’s primary artillery piece in light infantry brigade combat teams (IBCTs), the M119A3 (119ers in artillery vernacular). The 119ers don’t pack the punch or have the range of the M777A2, but that is for good reason. First, they are light enough to meet the needs of light infantry units, retaining high mobility relative to an IBCT’s speed and tempo.

Likewise, their relatively short range, 14.5 km or 19.5 km with RAP (rocket assisted projectile), meets most of the needs of light infantry units that rarely outrun their artillery support like armor or mechanized units. Most importantly, what they lack in range and effect radius is made for with an exceptional rate of fire of 6 rounds per minute for two minutes or three rounds per minute of sustained fire. Finally, the 119er has a comparable digital fire control system to the M777A2, which increases capabilities, both in terms of speed and accuracy. These capabilities allow 119er batteries (6 guns when fully fielded) to emplace, fire, and displace efficiently and quickly. This is crucial in providing timely and accurate fires that meet the needs of Ukrainian maneuver forces. For those readers who keep feeling lost when they hear “combined arms operations” all over cable news, this is a key component: integrating effective and mobile fires with maneuver forces.
Click to expand...

HIMARS and MLRS Are Great But Ukraine Needs More M119A3 Artillery Guns

So do you have an Infantry Army or a LAV Army? Or even an Armoured Army.

If Infantry then M119/M777. If LAV then Archer/HIMARS. If Armoured then M109A7/MLRS.
 
Back to Kevin's latest model

2 Light
1 Heavy
1 Medium

Light Model - US 11th Abn Div 2nd BCT - 2x Lt Inf (Abn) and 1x Lt Cav
Fires support

Field artillery (fires) battalion[edit]​

  • Headquarters and headquarters battery
  • M119 105mm towed howitzer battery (×2)
  • M777A2 155mm towed howitzer battery
Stryker Model - 9 infantry companies, 3 cavalry "companies" and 1 weapons "company" in 4 manoeuver units.

Field artillery (fires) battalion[edit]​


Stryker is not LAV. The Stryker Infantry BCT is meant to fight with its trails down. The Strykers allow it to relocate from one blocking point to another. Not to fight on the move.

Heavy Model - 5 Abrams and 4 Bradley companies in 3 Combined Arms Battalions.

Field Artillery Battalion[edit]​


So which way is the LAV supposed to fight? Like the Stryker - in which case lots of infantry crammed into them to fight from fixed positions with guns with trails down? Or like the Bradley - in which case few dismounts, constantly on the move with guns on wheels or tracks and long range support?


And the Reserves? Are they a Light Force or Heavy Force?

I tend to the Light end of the spectrum on the basis of cost and need. Others see things differently.

I would see, in the reserves, Lt Guns, and M777s with NASAMs as the predominant assets. With a strong HIMARS showing. MANPADs for the Infantry.

By my count the Reserves have 39 numbered batteries (see below)

If 39 then 7 HIMARS batteries and 32 Gun Batteries.

If 32 Gun Batteries then 24 M119A3 Batteries and 8 M777A2 batteries

All reserve batteries also to man one troop of truck mounted NASAMs launchers. FDCs to be in the hands of the Regulars.
 
Assessed RRCA reserve order of battle.

VancouverRRCA3115JTF(P)CJOC3 Cdn Div
VancouverRRCA6815JTF(P)CJOC3 Cdn Div
VictoriaRRCA1555JTF(P)CJOC3 Cdn Div
NanaimoRRCA1565JTF(P)CJOC3 Cdn Div
KenoraRRCA116IndJTF(W)CJOC3 Cdn Div
PortageRRCA1326JTF(W)CJOC3 Cdn Div
BrandonRRCA7126JTF(W)CJOC3 Cdn Div
YorktonRRCA6410JTF(W)CJOC3 Cdn Div
ReginaRRCA1810JTF(W)CJOC3 Cdn Div
EdmontonRRCA6120JTF(W)CJOC3 Cdn Div
Red DeerRRCA7820JTF(W)CJOC3 Cdn Div
LethbridgeRRCA20IndJTF(W)CJOC3 Cdn Div
OttawaRRCA230JTF(C)CJOC4 Cdn Div
PembrokeRRCA3542JTF(C)CJOC4 Cdn Div
PembrokeRRCA10942JTF(C)CJOC4 Cdn Div
Sault Ste MarieRRCA3049JTF(C)CJOC4 Cdn Div
Sault Ste MarieRRCA14849JTF(C)CJOC4 Cdn Div
TorontoRRCA97JTF(C)CJOC4 Cdn Div
TorontoRRCA157JTF(C)CJOC4 Cdn Div
TorontoRRCA1307JTF(C)CJOC4 Cdn Div
HamiltonRRCA1111JTF(C)CJOC4 Cdn Div
GuelphRRCA1611JTF(C)CJOC4 Cdn Div
GuelphRRCA2911JTF(C)CJOC4 Cdn Div
St CatherinesRRCA1056JTF(C)CJOC4 Cdn Div
BrantfordRRCA5456JTF(C)CJOC4 Cdn Div
SimcoeRRCA6956JTF(C)CJOC4 Cdn Div
MontmagnyRRCA586JTF(E)CJOC2 Cdn Div
LevisRRCA576JTF(E)CJOC2 Cdn Div
Val Bel AirRRCA566JTF(E)CJOC2 Cdn Div
ShawiniganRRCA8162JTF(E)CJOC2 Cdn Div
ShawiniganRRCA18562JTF(E)CJOC2 Cdn Div
MontrealRRCA72JTF(E)CJOC2 Cdn Div
MontrealRRCA502JTF(E)CJOC2 Cdn Div
MontrealRRCA662JTF(E)CJOC2 Cdn Div
HalifaxRRCA511JTF(A)CJOC5 Cdn Div
HalifaxRRCA871JTF(A)CJOC5 Cdn Div
YarmouthRRCA841JTF(A)CJOC5 Cdn Div
Saint JohnRRCA1153JTF(A)CJOC5 Cdn Div
WoodstockRRCA893JTF(A)CJOC5 Cdn Div

Edited to add link to source info

rca-arc.org

Regiments & Independent Batteries

Regiments & Independent Batteries Regular Component Order of Battle 1st Regiment, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery 2nd Regiment, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery 5e Régiment d’artillerie légère du Canada 4th Artillery Regiment (General Support), RCA Reserve Component Order of
rca-arc.org rca-arc.org
 
For 15th FD, 68 was the Gun Battery and 31 was the Recruit Battery. I believe there was another Battery in the historical org at some point and 31 was the senior battery if I recall correctly?
 
I bet these would be popular with the Ukrainians right about now
abbot.jpg
 
Colin Parkinson said:
For 15th FD, 68 was the Gun Battery and 31 was the Recruit Battery. I believe there was another Battery in the historical org at some point and 31 was the senior battery if I recall correctly?
Click to expand...

Thanks Colin. I added the link to the source info I used in generating that table.
 
If we are lucky and we stood all those Batteries up with our current guns, we might be to field 39x 2 gun batteries. I sure Russia is trembling at the thought.
 
Colin Parkinson said:
If we are lucky and we stood all those Batteries up with our current guns, we might be to field 39x 2 gun batteries. I sure Russia is trembling at the thought.
Click to expand...

24 Light Batteries presupposes 24 Light Infantry Battalions. - We have a framework for 47 51 Infantry Companies we struggle to maintain.

Edit. What could a force based on 1 Lt Gun Battery with a NASAMs Troop, 2 Lt Infantry Companies and a Lt Cavalry Troop accomplish with an Engineer Troop?
 
Last edited:
RCAC (Reserves)
1 RCAC (GGHG)3 RCAC (8CH)5 RCAC (QYR)7 RCAC (12RBC)8 RCAC (1H)10 RCAC (RCH)12 RCAC (SALH)13 RCAC (SD)15 RCAC (BCD)17 RCAC (RdH)
2 RCAC (HR)4 RCAC (OR)6 RCAC (SH)9 RCAC (PEIR)11 RCAC (BCR)14 rCAC (KOCR)16 RCAC (FGH)18 RCAC (WR)
RCIC (Reserve)
1 RCIC (GGFG)6 RCIC (RRC)11 RCIC (4RCR)16 RCIC (SDGH)21 RCIC (FMR)51 RCIC (2 RNR)26 RCIC (NNSH)31 RCIC (48HC)36 RCIC (LSSR)41 RCIC (QOCHC)46 RCIC (CSR)
2 RCIC (CG)7 RCIC (RHLI)12 RCIC (RHFC)17 RCIC (FdSL)22 RCIC (PLF)27 RCIC (RdM)32 RCIC (RdS)37 RCIC (NSR)42 RCIC (RWR)47 RCIC (RMR)
3 RCIC (QORC)8 RCIC (PWOR)13 RCIC (GSF)18 RCIC (RdlC)23 RCIC (1RNBR)28 RCIC (CHO)33 RCIC (CBH)38 RCIC (RRR)43 RCIC (CH)48 RCIC (2RIRC)
4 RCIC (RHRC)9 RCIC (HPER)14 RCIC (LS)19 RCIC (4R22R)24 RCIC (WNSR)29 RCIC (RWR)34 RCIC (AR)39 RCIC (RMR)44 RCIC (FdS)49 RCIC (TSR)
5 RCIC (VG)10 RCIC (LWR)15 RCIC (BR)20 RCIC (6R22R)25 RCIC (NSNBR)30 RCIC (EKS)35 RCIC (ASHC)40 RCIC (LER)45 RCIC (SHC)50 RCIC (1RNR)
 
Spencer100 said:
They didn't even show up. Paccar doesn't have Milspec model. It costs tons of money to have a military complaint model.

Back to Viking it was reported they got the business very very cheap. Basically please finish the order book on the Dash8 (Q400) and some few some money. They are basically going to run the spares businesses. They also got the Type Cert for Waterbombers 215,215T, 415 and looking to build a new 515. They also have the Shorts 330 and Sherpa too.
Click to expand...

Longview....

Longview Aviation Capital Corp. Agrees to Acquire Dash 8 Program from Bombardier Inc.​


Production to Continue Uninterrupted at Downsview Facility​

Includes Trademark to Iconic De Havilland Brand​

Longview Aviation Capital Corp., parent company to Viking Air Limited, a leading Canadian aircraft manufacturer, today agreed to acquire, through an affiliate, the entire Dash 8 program including the 100, 200 and 300 series and the in-production Q400 program from Bombardier Inc. Also included as part of the transaction are rights to the De Havilland name and trademark in an all-Canadian transaction.
Once completed, Longview will become North America’s largest commercial turbo-prop aircraft manufacturer.

“The Dash 8 turbo-prop is the perfect complement to our existing portfolio of specialized aircraft including the Twin Otter and the Canadair CL 215 and 415 series of water bombers,” said David Curtis, CEO of Longview Aviation Capital Corp. “We see enormous value in the De Havilland Dash 8 program, with these aircraft in demand and in use all around the world.”

As part of the agreement, Longview will receive all assets and intellectual property and Type Certificates associated with the Dash 8 program. Upon the closing of the transaction, Longview will also assume responsibility for the worldwide product support business – covering more than 1,000 aircraft either currently in service or slated for production.

Longview will continue to independently operate the program at the original De Havilland manufacturing site located at Downsview, Ontario upon closing of the transaction. The Downsview site was sold by Bombardier earlier this year but, under the terms of a lease with the new owners and a license from Bombardier, production will remain on-site until at least 2021. As part of the transaction Longview also looks forward to welcoming Bombardier employees currently associated with the production, support and sales of the Dash 8 program.

www.vikingair.com

De Havilland Aircraft of Canada Limited

Since 1928, De Havilland Canada has been building utility-built aircraft for customers here at home, and around the world.
www.vikingair.com www.vikingair.com
 
Colin Parkinson said:
Seems like an interesting project, plus the Brits are getting mortar version of the Boxers also

www.forces.net

Up close with the new Boxer vehicle variant armed with Brimstone missiles

The Boxer Overwatch is fitted with eight Brimstone precision-guided missiles, capable of hitting enemy armour up to 12 miles away.
www.forces.net www.forces.net
Click to expand...

Meanwhile, in Germany....

The Boxer Remotely Controlled Howitzer, or RCH 155, is a self-propelled artillery system, which utilizes 8x8 chassis of Boxer armored personnel carrier and 155 mm Artillery Gun Module (AGM). This artillery system was developed by Krauss-Maffei Wegmann as a private venture. It was introduced in 2014. Initial firing trials took place during the same year. Overall the Boxer RCH 155 is a modern and advanced artillery system. It is being proposed for various customers.

The Artillery Gun Module was first introduced back in 2004. It is based on the technology of a combat-proven PzH 2000 self-propelled howitzer, which is in service with Germany and some other countries. The AGM provides the same performance of the PzH 2000, but is cheaper to build, has reduced crew and is significantly lighter. It was developed as a supplement to the PzH 2000 howitzer where heavier weaponry is not available, not recommendable, or too expensive.

Boxer RCH 155 Self-Propelled Howitzer | Military-Today.com

The Boxer RCH 155, is a self-propelled artillery system, which utilizes 8x8 chassis of Boxer armored personnel carrier and 155 mm unmanned artillery gun module. This artillery system was introduced in 2014.
www.military-today.com
 
daftandbarmy said:
Longview....

Longview Aviation Capital Corp. Agrees to Acquire Dash 8 Program from Bombardier Inc.​


Production to Continue Uninterrupted at Downsview Facility​

Includes Trademark to Iconic De Havilland Brand​

Longview Aviation Capital Corp., parent company to Viking Air Limited, a leading Canadian aircraft manufacturer, today agreed to acquire, through an affiliate, the entire Dash 8 program including the 100, 200 and 300 series and the in-production Q400 program from Bombardier Inc. Also included as part of the transaction are rights to the De Havilland name and trademark in an all-Canadian transaction.
Once completed, Longview will become North America’s largest commercial turbo-prop aircraft manufacturer.

“The Dash 8 turbo-prop is the perfect complement to our existing portfolio of specialized aircraft including the Twin Otter and the Canadair CL 215 and 415 series of water bombers,” said David Curtis, CEO of Longview Aviation Capital Corp. “We see enormous value in the De Havilland Dash 8 program, with these aircraft in demand and in use all around the world.”

As part of the agreement, Longview will receive all assets and intellectual property and Type Certificates associated with the Dash 8 program. Upon the closing of the transaction, Longview will also assume responsibility for the worldwide product support business – covering more than 1,000 aircraft either currently in service or slated for production.

Longview will continue to independently operate the program at the original De Havilland manufacturing site located at Downsview, Ontario upon closing of the transaction. The Downsview site was sold by Bombardier earlier this year but, under the terms of a lease with the new owners and a license from Bombardier, production will remain on-site until at least 2021. As part of the transaction Longview also looks forward to welcoming Bombardier employees currently associated with the production, support and sales of the Dash 8 program.

www.vikingair.com

De Havilland Aircraft of Canada Limited

Since 1928, De Havilland Canada has been building utility-built aircraft for customers here at home, and around the world.
www.vikingair.com www.vikingair.com
Click to expand...
Yes that is about what I said and meaning. They got it cheap. Basically for the ongoing spares and support business. They had to build out the last orders. That is now complete and move out of Downsview.

It is my hope they do restart in Calgary. Its good for the everyone.

Also Longview is a PE arm of some of Thompson Family.....Number one on the Canadians rich list. So that is good to have the deep pockets.

And the move to Alberta was in large part about costs and getting out from under Unifor.
 
daftandbarmy said:
Longview....

Longview Aviation Capital Corp. Agrees to Acquire Dash 8 Program from Bombardier Inc.​


Production to Continue Uninterrupted at Downsview Facility​

Includes Trademark to Iconic De Havilland Brand​

Longview Aviation Capital Corp., parent company to Viking Air Limited, a leading Canadian aircraft manufacturer, today agreed to acquire, through an affiliate, the entire Dash 8 program including the 100, 200 and 300 series and the in-production Q400 program from Bombardier Inc. Also included as part of the transaction are rights to the De Havilland name and trademark in an all-Canadian transaction.
Once completed, Longview will become North America’s largest commercial turbo-prop aircraft manufacturer.

“The Dash 8 turbo-prop is the perfect complement to our existing portfolio of specialized aircraft including the Twin Otter and the Canadair CL 215 and 415 series of water bombers,” said David Curtis, CEO of Longview Aviation Capital Corp. “We see enormous value in the De Havilland Dash 8 program, with these aircraft in demand and in use all around the world.”

As part of the agreement, Longview will receive all assets and intellectual property and Type Certificates associated with the Dash 8 program. Upon the closing of the transaction, Longview will also assume responsibility for the worldwide product support business – covering more than 1,000 aircraft either currently in service or slated for production.

Longview will continue to independently operate the program at the original De Havilland manufacturing site located at Downsview, Ontario upon closing of the transaction. The Downsview site was sold by Bombardier earlier this year but, under the terms of a lease with the new owners and a license from Bombardier, production will remain on-site until at least 2021. As part of the transaction Longview also looks forward to welcoming Bombardier employees currently associated with the production, support and sales of the Dash 8 program.

www.vikingair.com

De Havilland Aircraft of Canada Limited

Since 1928, De Havilland Canada has been building utility-built aircraft for customers here at home, and around the world.
www.vikingair.com www.vikingair.com
Click to expand...
This is a bit dated. Any new news?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

bossi
Real war story from Iraq (not Hollywood)
Replies
2
Views
5K
Fruss
F
Back
Top