• Thanks for stopping by. Logging in to a registered account will remove all generic ads. Please reach out with any questions or concerns.

C3 Howitzer Replacement

How many of the Purple trades require uniformed personel at all? If any group of trades could be transferred to the civilian world they would likely be found in this space.
What people should be uniformed? All those who may be required to deploy forward into an operational zone against their will and those who shouldn't be allowed to quit when an emergency needs their service. There's a reason why the terms "Active Service" and "Service" is in the NDA and it all has to do with having to do things that an individual might not want to do.

I won't even get into remustering or rebadging to needed trades and a whole lot of other things that need doing from time to time.

🍻
 
Basic weapons training should be a must have for everyone starting out. Not only do they get a basic understanding of how to use them, but the CAF can see if the recruit is capable of stepping up to the responsibility to handle a device that can easily kill someone. Basic fieldcraft such as setting up a tent, stove, lantern fire, basic first aid and surviving in the outdoors are all useful skills for life. I can see that digging a L trench and developing range cards is not useful for someone going into the sea trades. Knot tying and basic ropework is though. Learning how to organize and do sentry work, is likley to be useful in their career, whether they are on a ship, posted overseas to a FOB or a foreign base. they at least have an understanding of the concepts and some memory to draw upon.
At the end of the day, learning some of these skill sets is what makes the CAF a different place to work and can give a common memory to everyone and some bragging rights with non-CAF people. Logistical types may have to do Base Defense duties and that should be practised. Sea going types may have to escort humanitarian supplies ashore or guard the jetty they are tied to, so that skillset should be practised. RCAF types might have to make their own beds for a change and guard an air field against a possible terrorist attack or cruise missile strike. So they need to learn how to prepare and handle those threats.
I like to see all of those going into sea trades get some intense small boat work and water survival training as opposed indepth trench work. People going into Logistics get to learn how to move and set up and distribute supplies in different settings. People in Sigs get to set up communication hubs in adverse settings.
 
Basic weapons training should be a must have for everyone starting out. Not only do they get a basic understanding of how to use them, but the CAF can see if the recruit is capable of stepping up to the responsibility to handle a device that can easily kill someone. Basic fieldcraft such as setting up a tent, stove, lantern fire, basic first aid and surviving in the outdoors are all useful skills for life. I can see that digging a L trench and developing range cards is not useful for someone going into the sea trades. Knot tying and basic ropework is though. Learning how to organize and do sentry work, is likley to be useful in their career, whether they are on a ship, posted overseas to a FOB or a foreign base. they at least have an understanding of the concepts and some memory to draw upon.
At the end of the day, learning some of these skill sets is what makes the CAF a different place to work and can give a common memory to everyone and some bragging rights with non-CAF people. Logistical types may have to do Base Defense duties and that should be practised. Sea going types may have to escort humanitarian supplies ashore or guard the jetty they are tied to, so that skillset should be practised. RCAF types might have to make their own beds for a change and guard an air field against a possible terrorist attack or cruise missile strike. So they need to learn how to prepare and handle those threats.
I like to see all of those going into sea trades get some intense small boat work and water survival training as opposed indepth trench work. People going into Logistics get to learn how to move and set up and distribute supplies in different settings. People in Sigs get to set up communication hubs in adverse settings.

There might be a role here for the Cadet movement in bringing the CAF up to speed with the basics of military life ;)

And with that, I declare this thread officially 'derailed'.

You're welcome :)
 
The basic task of any member of the CAF is:

"Take a rifle, stand a post."

That implies that the member is capable of:
-provide a 'visible uniformed and armed presence'
-operating the weapon
-understanding an implementing the Laws of Armed Conflict/Rules of Engagement
-has the ability to operate in a threat environment including seeking cover, and providing self aid or first aid to casualties that almost inevitably come with engagements
-correct turnover of the post to a relief

So, Basic training needs to teach:
-wearing a uniform
-operating a weapon
-LOAC/ROE
-Cam/concealment/cover
-First Aid
-operating as a member of a section/squad

Those minimums are met.

Additional things that get taught like voice procedures, CBRN, mental resilience are also taught which doesn't make them experts, but does introduce the concepts, and provide a basis for later skill development.

Every member of the CAF needs that. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

What else do they need? It depends. It really does. It is not just trade specific, it's also geographically specific.

The question here is 'who does that next level of training belong to'?

Do they do that next level at their gaining unit? Or, do we consider that they are not yet ready to go to that unit until they have the necessary training to function there? (ie they have not yet attained occupational function point?)
 
Basic weapons training should be a must have for everyone starting out. Not only do they get a basic understanding of how to use them, but the CAF can see if the recruit is capable of stepping up to the responsibility to handle a device that can easily kill someone. Basic fieldcraft such as setting up a tent, stove, lantern fire, basic first aid and surviving in the outdoors are all useful skills for life. I can see that digging a L trench and developing range cards is not useful for someone going into the sea trades. Knot tying and basic ropework is though. Learning how to organize and do sentry work, is likley to be useful in their career, whether they are on a ship, posted overseas to a FOB or a foreign base. they at least have an understanding of the concepts and some memory to draw upon.
At the end of the day, learning some of these skill sets is what makes the CAF a different place to work and can give a common memory to everyone and some bragging rights with non-CAF people. Logistical types may have to do Base Defense duties and that should be practised. Sea going types may have to escort humanitarian supplies ashore or guard the jetty they are tied to, so that skillset should be practised. RCAF types might have to make their own beds for a change and guard an air field against a possible terrorist attack or cruise missile strike. So they need to learn how to prepare and handle those threats.
I like to see all of those going into sea trades get some intense small boat work and water survival training as opposed indepth trench work. People going into Logistics get to learn how to move and set up and distribute supplies in different settings. People in Sigs get to set up communication hubs in adverse settings.

Agreed. I think, RCN specific, Basic could be 8 to 10 weeks. With 4 - 5 weeks being weapons, drill, deportment, maybe some minor fieldcraft ect ect and the remainder of the course being Seamanship (NETP), and a continued practice of drill and deportment. As a side note NETP currently covers C8, 9mm and CBRN.

In the event, like AFG, where we need to use sailors as soldiers that is where we can use a work up phase pre deployment.
 
The trade school concept worked well for a long time, so Basic training (everyone), trade school (as per trade) and then gaining unit, conducts detailed training and advanced training in their field.
 
The trade school concept worked well for a long time, so Basic training (everyone), trade school (as per trade) and then gaining unit, conducts detailed training and advanced training in their field.

That's basically how I came up. BRT -> QL3 -> OJT QL4 Package -> QL5 -> PLQ -> QL6 -> ILP -> ALP
 
The basic task of any member of the CAF is:

"Take a rifle, stand a post."

I believe that's American terminology, largely conveyed to Canadian society through various popular war movies, which is a good example of why we need to inculcate our CAF members in the basics if nothing else ;)
 
I like that the it has 360degree support legs - which I will assume means it can fire 360degrees unlike many other SPA systems.
*ease of setting up positions to come into battery - and of course egress.
Also 40rds ready ammunition is better than most of these. What you could do is in a 6 gun battery, 4 of the guns have HE general purpose. One gun has 755 precision guided ammo and the other 75% smoke. those two are on standby but get to rest for a bit, the other 4 shoot and scoot for awhile, then rotate guns.
 
I've said before that glossy brochures don't do it for me but so far this one ticks a lot of check boxes.

The lack of spades or outriggers on some systems is one thing that bothers me as it impacts stability and wear and tear on the chassis. This ones look good. There's enough capacity for an upgrade path, a reasonable number of on-board rounds and an armoured cab. It shouldn't be too hard to design an armoured limber vehicle and possibly an under-armour replenishment system.

🍻
 
Another burst of ancient deja vu; we went through something similar in the seventies, and not very efficiently. There was a perception that new entries did not need archaic army stuff like small arms, fieldcraft, and combat first aid. The length of the basic recruit course was pared back to about six weeks, which was not enough time to develop basic discipline, foot drill, dress and deportment. The course eventually grew, especially in basic soldiering, with some "we're never going to war again, so.." stuff hanging on like St John's Ambulance First Aid. Believe me, I saw it, first as CIG in Artillery Department at the Combat Arms School, and then SSO Individual Training at FMCHQ, and it wasn't pretty.
 
I believe that's American terminology, largely conveyed to Canadian society through various popular war movies, which is a good example of why we need to inculcate our CAF members in the basics if nothing else ;)

Oh, OK! Got it. Go on stag!

 

Much prefer that rig to the Boxer version.


Not least because of the commonality with the SkySabre vehicles (also HXs)

sky_sabre.jpg


That missile assembly is also compatible with the MBDA Land Precision Strike (long range Brimstones)


But it could also be loaded with MRLS pods, NSMs, or even TEU-20s.
 
I think those systems even the Boxer Turret are designed to be fitted on most standard chassis with minimal modifications. That to me is the bigger winner of the systems.
That truck mounted 155 could even put a pintle hitch behind it and tow a few more rounds if they wanted.
 
Back
Top