Browning Hi-Power on G&A Top 10 Handguns that Changed History
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TCBF said:
And the CETME was based off the World War II StG 44 assault rifle, the first successful assault rifle of its kind. The German goverment purchased a license to build the rifle in Germany, after the Belgiums refused to sell a license to Germany for the FN FAL. The Germans then gave the license to HK, which started producing the rifles, abeit with some modifications to the Bundeswher's needs
Funny, I thought the FN FAL (the G1 in German service) was rejected for some spurious reason (line of sight too high - will result in too many head wounds) by the Germans themselves.
Oddly, the Swiss current rifle (5.6 mm: what we call 5.56mm) has a sight similar to the G3, and their web sight talks of the low line of sight reducing head wounds.
Tom
Oddly, the Swiss current rifle (5.6 mm: what we call 5.56mm) has a sight similar to the G3, and their web sight talks of the low line of sight reducing head wounds.
Tom
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TCBF said:
The main reason was that the Germans wanted licensed production, and the Belgiums, naturally, refused to sell a license to the Germans. Mind you, this was 5 years after World War II had ended so the wounds of the war were still fresh and open at the time.
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At the risk of causing a tangent, a late-war German infantry squad looks a lot like today's infantry squads in terms of weapons. Assault rifles, one or two excellent GPMGs and some panzerfausts that look suspiciously like RPGs. I'd venture that night vision equipment is the one major leap since then.
I'm taking an HP and I'm cool with it (not that I have a choice).
I'm taking an HP and I'm cool with it (not that I have a choice).
I stand corrected:
http://matrix.dumpshock.com/raygun/firearms/assault/g3ka4.html:
The genesis of the G3 (Gewehr or Rifle) Battle Rifle actually took place 14 years prior to its adoption and initial production by Heckler & Koch GmbH.
During WWII, an engineering team at Mauser headed by Ludwig Vorgrimler adapted a roller-locking delayed blowback form of operation for use in the second-generation Sturmgewehr (assault rifle), designated StG.45. Succeeding the gas piston-operated StG.44, the StG.45 also fired the 7.92x33mm Kurz cartridge. However, the war was brought to an end before production of the StG.45 could begin in earnest.
After the war, Vorgrimler and several other German engineers eventually resumed development of the roller locking design at the Centro de Estudios Tecnicos de Materiales Especiales (CETME), Spain's small arms development center located in Seville. The rifle was designed around an experimental 7.92x40mm cartridge.
When the American 7.62x51mm T65 cartridge was standardized by NATO in 1954, the German Bundesgrenzschütz (Federal Border Guard) tested several 7.62x51mm-chambered rifles, including the Fabrique Nationale FAL (G1), the SIG SG510 (G2), the CETME Modelo A (G3), and the Armalite AR-10 (G4). Out of these, the FN FAL was accepted for service as the G1. However, Fabrique Nationale would not license post-war Germany to produce the FAL. The CETME rifle was then chosen to replace the G1. A manufacturing license was transferred from the Dutch NVM company to Heckler & Koch and production began in 1959.
The legendary G3 Battle Rifle has been used by more than 50 nations since its introduction, including Germany, Greece, Iran, Mexico, Norway, Pakistan, Portugal, Sweden and Turkey. It was the official infantry rifle of the German Bundeswehr from 1959 to 1995, when it was replaced by another Heckler & Koch rifle, the G36. As of 2002, Heckler & Koch have ceased production of the G3A3 rifle.
Designed for paratroopers and vehicle crews, the G3KA4 differs from the G3A3 by including a shortened 12.4" (315mm) barrel and a retractable shoulder stock. Due to its modular design, many options are available for the G3A3 and other HK roller-locked weapons.
http://matrix.dumpshock.com/raygun/firearms/assault/g3ka4.html:
The genesis of the G3 (Gewehr or Rifle) Battle Rifle actually took place 14 years prior to its adoption and initial production by Heckler & Koch GmbH.
During WWII, an engineering team at Mauser headed by Ludwig Vorgrimler adapted a roller-locking delayed blowback form of operation for use in the second-generation Sturmgewehr (assault rifle), designated StG.45. Succeeding the gas piston-operated StG.44, the StG.45 also fired the 7.92x33mm Kurz cartridge. However, the war was brought to an end before production of the StG.45 could begin in earnest.
After the war, Vorgrimler and several other German engineers eventually resumed development of the roller locking design at the Centro de Estudios Tecnicos de Materiales Especiales (CETME), Spain's small arms development center located in Seville. The rifle was designed around an experimental 7.92x40mm cartridge.
When the American 7.62x51mm T65 cartridge was standardized by NATO in 1954, the German Bundesgrenzschütz (Federal Border Guard) tested several 7.62x51mm-chambered rifles, including the Fabrique Nationale FAL (G1), the SIG SG510 (G2), the CETME Modelo A (G3), and the Armalite AR-10 (G4). Out of these, the FN FAL was accepted for service as the G1. However, Fabrique Nationale would not license post-war Germany to produce the FAL. The CETME rifle was then chosen to replace the G1. A manufacturing license was transferred from the Dutch NVM company to Heckler & Koch and production began in 1959.
The legendary G3 Battle Rifle has been used by more than 50 nations since its introduction, including Germany, Greece, Iran, Mexico, Norway, Pakistan, Portugal, Sweden and Turkey. It was the official infantry rifle of the German Bundeswehr from 1959 to 1995, when it was replaced by another Heckler & Koch rifle, the G36. As of 2002, Heckler & Koch have ceased production of the G3A3 rifle.
Designed for paratroopers and vehicle crews, the G3KA4 differs from the G3A3 by including a shortened 12.4" (315mm) barrel and a retractable shoulder stock. Due to its modular design, many options are available for the G3A3 and other HK roller-locked weapons.
Since we are touching on surplus firearms...
"That old, beat up, cosmoline-coated rifle sitting in the gun shop (for a hundred bucks) is the ticket to escape the postmodern matrix. It is a tool that leads to further knowledge. Most do not even realize that this escape has happened, but it likely happens to all who accumulate surplus weapons. Unlike most in our society, we are not frogs, sitting in their pans of water, waiting for the heat to be turned up.
A good idea would be for each person (collector) who reads this to “turn” one of his (or her) postmodern drone comrades. Take them out to shoot your SKS (or whatever), explain to them the history of the rifle. Many people, amazingly enough, have never been exposed to, or fired, a gun. Most, you will find, are not anti-gun, but they have simply never given the matter much thought. There are very few people who do not find shooting enjoyable, once they have tried it. Have them shoot at a target big enough for them to hit, maybe a one-gallon milk jug full of water at 30 yards. Bring them back again to shoot some more. Take them to a gun show or store and maybe they will buy their own firearm. After that, invite them over, buy a few beers and maybe rent Network, and explain to them the way things really are.
Once you teach them the truth, tell them they have a duty to “turn” someone as well.
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Darren Locke"
"That old, beat up, cosmoline-coated rifle sitting in the gun shop (for a hundred bucks) is the ticket to escape the postmodern matrix. It is a tool that leads to further knowledge. Most do not even realize that this escape has happened, but it likely happens to all who accumulate surplus weapons. Unlike most in our society, we are not frogs, sitting in their pans of water, waiting for the heat to be turned up.
A good idea would be for each person (collector) who reads this to “turn” one of his (or her) postmodern drone comrades. Take them out to shoot your SKS (or whatever), explain to them the history of the rifle. Many people, amazingly enough, have never been exposed to, or fired, a gun. Most, you will find, are not anti-gun, but they have simply never given the matter much thought. There are very few people who do not find shooting enjoyable, once they have tried it. Have them shoot at a target big enough for them to hit, maybe a one-gallon milk jug full of water at 30 yards. Bring them back again to shoot some more. Take them to a gun show or store and maybe they will buy their own firearm. After that, invite them over, buy a few beers and maybe rent Network, and explain to them the way things really are.
Once you teach them the truth, tell them they have a duty to “turn” someone as well.
Sic Semper Tyrannis
Darren Locke"
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We're starting to slide off topic here guys. Let's stick to the HP. If you want to discuss something else, let us know and we'll split this off.
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Wasn’t there a post here about a bunch of new FN Hi-powers that were shipped to a military with the sears misshaped causing AD’s? I remember reading about how FN had to send out 2,000 new sears, with much embarrassment.
Anyone here tried out the Argentina made Hi-powers (FM?) They have one that you can switch from the classic to the Detective model in a matter of minutes, it looked nice in the gun mag (but then they always do)
Anyone here tried out the Argentina made Hi-powers (FM?) They have one that you can switch from the classic to the Detective model in a matter of minutes, it looked nice in the gun mag (but then they always do)
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Defective sears - Wes brought up the subject, FN delivery to Aus.
t'was fixed post haste - once the problem was identified & reported.
Poor Quality control by the look of things - mark that off to sub contractors and not checking the work that was submitted.
t'was fixed post haste - once the problem was identified & reported.
Poor Quality control by the look of things - mark that off to sub contractors and not checking the work that was submitted.
