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Boot, General Purpose (Mk III acting/interim replacement)

From 007:

Section G - Tailoring, measuring and fitting for footwear and clothing
3-13G-001. Alterations and repairs
1.  Policy for repair of personal allotment clothing is as follows:

Repairs are made at public expense. Repairs are limited to that of rendering the item serviceable to fulfill its designed function and do not involve extensive uneconomical repair or alterations.

Minor repairs are the responsibility of the individual, i.e., replacement of button, small tears, etc. The supply staff ensure that the best interests have the individual and department are served when determining repair vice replacement.

2.  Alterations to loan clothing should be the exception rather than the rule since most personal and temporary allotment clothing has a functional rather than an appearance purpose.

3.  District tailoring facilities or local contract shall normally be used to effect alterations and repairs. If neither facility is available, B/W/S Sup O may arrange to have the alterations effected through petty cash as authorized by procurement.

3-13G-002. Special size personal allotment clothing, footwear and orthopaedic furniture
4.  Special size clothing:

Except for those non-stocked items, which are normally issued as made-to-measure, every effort shall be made to equip personnel from standard or peripheral stock sizes. This includes carrying out minor alterations and adjustments to obtain a reasonable fit. Because of the tolerances allowed in the production of garments, attempts should be made to fit personnel before resorting to Special Clothing Size Roll procedures.

Personnel who cannot be equipped with standard or peripheral size garments are entitled to the issue of special size items for actual requirements, not exceeding the quantity authorized by the applicable EGC.

When uniforms or other articles of clothing require special procurement. For example, a size not stocked at any level, B/W/S Sup O shall confirm all requests prior to initiating procurement action. Prices are obtained from local manufacturers and procurement action is taken IAW DAOD 3004. Bases, stations, and wings fund special size requirements from Command allotments. If an individual is undergoing training at a unit other than his home unit, funding for special size clothing, footwear, and equipment must be requested from the individual’s home unit.

Under no circumstances shall personnel be permitted to provide materiel for manufacture of special size clothing. The base/station/wing requisition materiel in the normal manner if available from the system, it must be ordered from Logistik Unicorp after obtaining a valid stock number from the C3-01 Coordinator. Uniform specifications must also be obtained from Director Soldier Systems Program Management (DSSPM C3-01 Contract Coordinator) and obtain uniform specifications from Director Soldier Systems Program Management (DSSPM C3 Contract Coordinator) for guidance to manufacturers. The supply of materiel and specifications to the manufacturer from the system ensures a high standard of uniformity in dress. Normally, special size clothing shall not be ordered for individuals during their last six months of service.

To obtain special size clothing, form DND 2160 (21-883-2991), Special Clothing Size Roll (men) or form DND 2159 (21-870-7580), Special Clothing Size Roll (women), as applicable, shall be prepared in 3 copies with distribution as follows:

i.  Two copies to manufacturer
ii. One copy to be filed in individuals CF 892

Note: Manufacturers may elect to use their own sizing forms. In this case, sufficient copies are obtained to meet distribution requirements.

Where there is a major discrepancy between the garment and the size roll, the following standardized procedure is implemented:

i. The unit tailor or qualified service personnel measure the individual, check the size roll for correctness, chalk mark the garment where incorrect and detail the alterations required for a proper fit.
ii. The contractor verifies the discrepancies between the garment and size roll and if it cannot be satisfactorily altered, the contractor is requested to manufacture a new garment.
iii. Invoices are held pending receipt of a satisfactory garment.

Where garments are received and rejected for reasons other than a   contractor’s deficiency, disposal action is to be initiated. A new order shall be initiated to satisfy the individual.

When a contractor is not available in the vicinity of the base/station/wing, orders are placed directly to the nearest available manufacturer. B/W/S Sup O shall ensure that only unit civilian tailors or qualified service personnel measure individuals for special size clothing using the guidelines detailed. These measurements must be typed or legibly written on the Special Size Roll. Districts carry out minor alterations upon receipt to ensure a satisfactory fit. However, where there is an obvious discrepancy between the garment and the size roll, items are returned collect to the manufacturer accompanied by a letter detailing the reason for return.

When special size clothing is ordered for an individual MSO014 Supply Customer Maintenance shall be used to annotate the member’s IA (special instructions) with the special size requirements. Item(s) should be brought on charge using special size NSN for that particular garment.

Except in the case of an occupational transfer, special size roll public clothing issued to an individual shall not be withdrawn when the employment justifying its issue ceases; the individual retains that clothing, if serviceable, during his period of service.

5.  Special size footwear:

The following definitions are provided for the purpose of this article:


Orthoses
: Is an orthopaedic appliance or apparatus used to support, align, prevent or correct deformities or to improve function of moveable parts of the body. One common example is a custom foot insole. 

Orthopaedic Footwear: Is custom footwear required by individuals with deformed or surgically treated feet. This includes custom-made military pattern footwear, and internal or external modifications to military and civilian footwear. Orthopaedic footwear is funded by the Command Surgeon.


If after being fitted IAW Measuring and fitting of footwear an individual is found to have a foot size, which does not fall within the range of standard catalogue footwear sizes and does not require orthopaedic footwear, the individual will be provided with special size footwear. B/W/S are responsible to fund these requirements through their Command allotments. All special size boots are free issue to all Regular and Reserve force members. The procedures for Special size shoes/oxfords is covered at para 7. Supply sections are under no obligation to procure brand name footwear. The only requirement is to ensure the member receives footwear that fits properly and is the same quality as normal CF footwear.

Athletic Shoes will only be issued to recruits on a one time basis and will not be exchangeable or available for purchase.  CF members Regular and Reserve force are responsible for the purchase of athletic shoes upon completion of recruit training.   The only exception would be for a member who has suffered a CF related injury or has surgically treated feet and requires a custom build athletic shoe.  In these rare cases the athletic shoe would be purchased by supply and funded by the Command Surgeon.

Note:  Class “A” Reservists shall only be issued one pair of Special Size Boots or Oxfords/Shoes as applicable. For example if an individual is entitled to one pair of shoes and two pair of boots the individual shall be issued one pair of shoes and one pair of boots. If the individual is converted to “B” or “C” class they shall be issued their full entitlement.

When special size footwear is ordered for an individual Supply Customer Maintenance MSO014 shall be used to annotate the member’s IA (special instructions) with the special size requirements. Item(s) should be brought on charge using the stock code of the closest size, taking caution to ensure that the total quantity (comprised of current balance, dues-in and special size items) does not exceed the district ROP/ROQ, which in turn could result in redistribution.  Each time the individual requires footwear; the IA shall be checked to ascertain when the item was previously issued. Normally, special size footwear shall not be ordered for individuals during their last six months of service.

Individuals whose foot size falls within the range of standard catalogue sizes and who do not accept the service footwear shall be advised to obtain footwear from other sources at their own expense. To ensure uniformity and quality of dress, CF personnel shall not wear any item of footwear, which does not conform to the approved sealed patterns for the item concerned.

Special size footwear issued to an individual shall not be withdrawn when the employment justifying its issue ceases. The individual retains the footwear during his entire period of service.

6.  Orthopaedic and modified footwear:

When recommended by a medical board or specialist, individuals with deformed or surgically treated feet shall be provided with specially made or modified footwear in lieu of regulation boots and shoes.

Orthopaedic footwear shall be obtained through a Federal, Provincial or local orthopaedic and prosthetic facility IAW MSI 7000-011 Footwear requiring modification shall be altered as required by the same orthopaedic facility or by local procurement when authorized by the base medical officer, at no expense to the individual.

Special Size Orthopaedic boots and modification to boots are always at no cost to the member.  Special Size Orthopaedic Boots shall be brought on charge by CRV and entered on the individual’s IA.  Only the initial issue of Orthopaedic shoes/oxfords are free issue, procedures are detailed in para 7 of this article. 

Normally orthopaedic footwear shall not be ordered for individuals during their last six months of service.

Orthopaedic footwear obtained as per MSI 7000-011 is paid for by the appropriate Command Surgeon.

7.  Special Size Shoes/Oxfords

Special size shoes/oxfords are free issue upon enrolment.  Following enrolment special size shoe requirements must be purchased using applicable points for shoes/oxfords, if points are not available, member is required to purchase the shoes as per the price indicated using MSO101, option 1, action code “9.”  There are only two exceptions, which allow the free issue of shoes/oxfords following an individual’s enrolment:

The initial issue of shoes/oxfords as a result of a change in medical condition which requires shoes to accommodate orthoses such as arch supports, special insoles etc. The member must present the prescription or medical chit to Clothing Stores to be entitled to the initial free issue. The initial issue is funded by the supporting supply section through Command allotments. All subsequent requirements must be paid for using the applicable points for shoes/oxfords or funded by the member as per the price indicated using MSO101, option 1, action code “9” Clothing Stores must forward details of special size shoe purchases including members name, SN, item purchased to DSSPM email who will have the applicable number of points removed from the members account.

The initial issue of Orthopaedic or modified shoes/oxfords are free issue, the initial issue of Orthopaedic or modified shoes/oxfords is funded by the Command Surgeon. Any subsequent issues must be paid for using the applicable number of points for shoes/oxfords or funded by the member with the price indicated using MSO101 option “9”. Orthopaedic footwear is defined at Para 5a. Clothing Stores must forward details of purchase to DSSPM so points can be removed, same procedure as for special size shoes. A copy of the medical officer’s recommendation is to be filed in the individual’s CF 892, and Supply Customer Maintenance MSO014 shall be used to annotate the member’s IA (special instructions) with the appropriate information.

8.  Resoling of combat boots

Medical Specialist Officers and GDMO are the only authority that can prescribe resoling of the insole and outsole. In special circumstances, this authority may be delegated to the local military physiotherapist. Funding for resoling of footwear shall be the responsibility of the Supporting Supply section through their command allotments as per the special funding requirements.

Alteration specifications should be coordinated between the Medical Officer and the physiotherapist. NDHQ/DSSPM 2-3 is available to provide technical assistance, as required. 

In the event that resoling is prescribed to alleviate a medical condition diagnosed IAW policies established in MSI 7000-011, the following specifications should be followed:


Materiel - Vibram “Sierra” (Model #1276) or Vibram “Kletterlift” (Model #148) outsole with a cushion midsole of polyurethane.

Thickness - The thickness of the polyurethane should be sufficient to maintain the original heel elevation of the boot. It should generally run from approximately 1 inch thick at the heel to a third of an inch - to half an inch at the ball and toe.

Durability of materiel - These outsoles have a high abrasion resistance rating. The “Sierra” tread design is the Army’s new tread of choice.

9. Orthopaedic furniture. Orthopaedic furniture shall only be procured for individuals whose requirements have been given a prognosis and have been identified on an appropriate certificate signed by a medical doctor or chiropractor. A copy of the medical certificate shall be filed in the member's CF 892.  It is a unit responsibility to fund orthopaedic furniture requirements. Issues of orthopaedic chairs or furniture shall be classified as personal allotments and shall be documented on the individual’s IA special instructions using Supply Customer Maintenance MSO014. Stock number 21AAE4895 shall be used to issue orthopaedic chairs to a member’s IA. 

10.  Retention on posting of special size/orthopaedic clothing, footwear and equipment. When an individual is posted, transferred or seconded to another department the base/station/wing shall ensure that special size/orthopaedic items accompany the individual. In the case of furniture, these items may accompany individuals provided that there is departmental agreement that such transfers are cost beneficial.

 
ArmyVern said:
Thursday, when I get back to work Geo ... I'll send you the ref.

It states that once a member has been fitted with orthotics, from then on, the orthotic is to be considered as a permanent part of the members foot. The orthotic documentation shall be placed on the members clothing docs (forever!! - no more chit required -- just the orthotic -- to get boots), and all future sizings and fittings of footwear will be done with an orthotic being worn as that permanent part of the foot, and with caveat to accomodate it.

Something is wrong at your location ...

Hey Vern,
My partner was just given some new boots.... and told to get her orthonics (after the fact).
Do you have that reference yet?
 
geo said:
Hey Vern,
My partner was just given some new boots.... and told to get her orthonics (after the fact).
Do you have that reference yet?

There is no "ref" such as the below from the books.

It was a letter/memo/msg/email down (it's been a year now ... I don't remember exactly how it came down ... it just did) the chain on the medical side of the house in Ottawa, that we recd at Clothing Stores in Gagetown. I've asked Gagetown to pull their copy and fax to me here ... I'll scan her in and upload.
 
Thanks much
The way they did it is a$$ backwards - fitting an orthonics into a boot instead of developing an orthonics for the foot & then fitting a boot to the darned thing.
 
geo said:
Thanks much
The way they did it is a$$ backwards - fitting an orthonics into a boot instead of developing an orthonics for the foot & then fitting a boot to the darned thing.

Well, before that med one gets here that I'm waiting for, you will see that the below 007 "book" refs to members requiring special sized (ie purchased footwear) "to accomodate their orthotics." In order for Supply to ensure the boots/shoes "accomodate" their orthotics, the member should have them already?? No??
 
Isn't it sort of 6 of 1 half dozen of the other? Either way makes logical sense to me. You could make a whole boot to accommodate an insert, or adjust the insert to fit the boot while maintaining the right shape for the foot requirements...  Maybe I'm RTFO but shouldn't either way work? (keeping in mind that theres enough insert left after adjusting for the boot to be effective...)
 
Well,

Look at that ...

I'll just scroll down the 007 a bit more and see this little tidbit:

Ref: ALM 007, vol 3, ch 13, sec G, para 15, subpara e.

3-13G-003. Measuring and fitting of footwear
11.  This book details the responsibility of supply officers and the procedures to be followed at B/W/S to ensure that all personnel are issued with correctly measured and fitted footwear and clothing.

12.  It is the responsibility of the B/W/S Sup O to ensure that the correct size footwear is issued to all personnel. Improperly fitted footwear affects the general well being of an individual, often to such an extent as to impair health, morale and efficiency. It is, therefore, of the utmost importance that individuals wear footwear for which they have been measured and properly fitted.

13.  Each individual shall be measured using Scholls, Ritz or Korrecto foot-measuring devices. The instructions for use are found on the reverse side of the device. Both feet must be measured, and the longer foot shall take precedence in determining size.

14.  When measured IAW the above paragraph, the individual shape of the foot, which affects comfort, is not taken into account, therefore, a test for overall fit of the selected size of footwear is necessary.

15.  After a size has been determined by means of the foot-measuring device, a fitting test shall be made on both feet, ensuring that, when fitting boots, combat, GS Mk 111 (modified), the saran mesh insoles are the correct size and in place with the nylon layer next to the foot. It shall be ensured that individuals:

a.  are wearing the type of hose which complies with regulations for the type of footwear being fitted
b.  are standing erect for combat boots
c.  have their weight evenly distributed on both feet
d.  have their heels well back in the footwear, with the footwear fully laced up
e.  who normally wear arch supports or other orthopaedic aids are wearing these appliances at the time of fitting.
 
Munxcub said:
Isn't it sort of 6 of 1 half dozen of the other? Either way makes logical sense to me. You could make a whole boot to accommodate an insert, or adjust the insert to fit the boot while maintaining the right shape for the foot requirements...  Maybe I'm RTFO but shouldn't either way work? (keeping in mind that theres enough insert left after adjusting for the boot to be effective...)

Because you'll get many different types of boots issued to you won't you?? Not just one type. Look at your own kit.

We get your footwear (or purchased if possible) made to accomodate your orthtic. You want to take 4 types of footweat to the field with you and the same number of sets of orthotics?? Or do you want to be able to switch your orthotics out from boot to boot, shoe to running shoe, to oxford etc as you require them?? Last time I checked people wore their orthtotics in most of their footwear. It'd be pretty silly to make them to fit into your combat boot when you also need to wear them in your oxford or parade boots no?
 
Ahh that makes sense. As for my own kit I currently only have 1 pair of too big for me boots so that's no help ;) I'll slink back into the shadows  now. :)
 
Munxcub said:
Ahh that makes sense. As for my own kit I currently only have 1 pair of too big for me boots so that's no help ;) I'll slink back into the shadows  now. :)

Why only one pair?? And why too big?? And, where are you?? What was the story that you got??
 
Well I'm new and untrained so I only got 1 pair, and the size is being taken care of, got remeasured and should hopefully have boots that fit this week.  It's all good, I'm being well taken care of here in Kelowna.  :)
 
Munxcub said:
Well I'm new and untrained so I only got 1 pair, and the size is being taken care of, got remeasured and should hopefully have boots that fit this week.  It's all good, I'm being well taken care of here in Kelowna.  :)

Good to hear ... I was just checking ...  ;)
 
sigtech said:
Like I said in a past post , I had around I think $2000 dollars in boots bought for me because no one would listen to me. I would tell them hey these boots work for my foot type, I was told those are not approved but have you tried the wet weather boot etc etc etc. I felt like slamming my head on the counter, but I guess the sup tech knew what was better for my feet.

I know how you feel, my orthotics dont work in any boot size I've tried, and its getting stupid. I've tried a few other types of boots on, and they work better, but I have been told they are not allowed for wear. I think a boot allowance makes more sense then wasting money on countless different pairs of non-starters... until then i leave my orthotics at home when I train.
 
popnfresh said:
I know how you feel, my orthotics dont work in any boot size I've tried, and its getting stupid. I've tried a few other types of boots on, and they work better, but I have been told they are not allowed for wear. I think a boot allowance makes more sense then wasting money on countless different pairs of non-starters... until then i leave my orthotics at home when I train.

Then I suggest that you suggest to them that it's high time they molded your feet and got you custom made footwear ...

until (if ever) we get that freking boot allowance.
 
popnfresh said:
I know how you feel, my orthotics dont work in any boot size I've tried, and its getting stupid. I've tried a few other types of boots on, and they work better, but I have been told they are not allowed for wear. I think a boot allowance makes more sense then wasting money on countless different pairs of non-starters... until then i leave my orthotics at home when I train.
As vern suggested tell them to get you custom boots, but also get a quote or two for boots that work and show said quote to them. If the custom boots don't work go back to them with those quotes again and say look these only cost this and those boots cost this and they don't work so can we now just get me the boots that work. Sup Techs understand cost.......
Or if you have a chit stating boots that fix orthotics and your feet are taken a beating buy you own not the best but if your feet and or knees are paying the price I say be comfortable. It is easier to ask for forgiveness then it is to ask for permission.
 
sigtech said:
Or if you have a chit stating boots that fix orthotics and your feet are taken a beating buy you own not the best but if your feet and or knees are paying the price I say be comfortable. It is easier to ask for forgiveness then it is to ask for permission.

If the boots he gets purchased/made are NOT working ... then it's quite simple: tell them "these boots are not working." Ask for the supervisor if there's a problem. If you get no satisfaction from that:

Quote them this ref below, and then proceed to your supervisor (note the names of those you politely told at Clothing that the boots were NOT working): 

From the Supply Bible: (it's good for bumping back a little "common sense" into the system in times that there doesn't seem to be any being utilized ...  ;))

ALM007, Vol 3, ch 13, sec G, paras 11-12.

3-13G-003. Measuring and fitting of footwear
11.  This book details the responsibility of supply officers and the procedures to be followed at B/W/S to ensure that all personnel are issued with correctly measured and fitted footwear and clothing.

12.  It is the responsibility of the B/W/S Sup O to ensure that the correct size footwear is issued to all personnel. Improperly fitted footwear affects the general well being of an individual, often to such an extent as to impair health, morale and efficiency. It is, therefore, of the utmost importance that individuals wear footwear for which they have been measured and properly fitted.
 
- How 'interim' is the GP Boot?

- I just traded in a pair of my beloved Mk IIIs (my heel wore a hole in the back of the boot) and I find the GP boots do not come in a 7 1/2 - 8C (264/96), but do come in a 265-100.  Oddly enough, the US made insole has a sticker on it listing the three sizes it fits: 265-104, 265-100 and 265-96.

- I find the boots, when flexed, to be tight across the small toes, possibly due to the forward-laced design.  Any other user comments?
 
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