BMQ Failure Rate

[FinnO25]

Ahahaha Thanks Mike! I can tell you one thing for free, I was in party platoon. 

 

[mariomike]

You know what, Finn? I believe you! 

 

[BeyondTheNow]

:rofl:

Our son told us he was in Hell Platoon, but maybe they all say that? I seem to recall my sister telling our parents something similar.

Congratulations Finn and good luck in your career. I hope you enjoy a long one!

Yup. All pl’s are not created equal. My 1st pl was Hollywood, as they say. ‘Average age was well into 20s and older, mostly comprised of support trades, jackings were rare, punishment PT (not referred to as that anymore) only happened once within a 7 week period, we were allowed trips to Canex and such during indoc, etc. It was a breeze compared to my 2nd. On my second pl we had punishment PT 3xs in one day, staff (mostly) only had one manner of speaking—yelling. Pl was almost totally comprised of combat arms, gym periods and overall daily dynamic was exceptionally more intense in all ways. That being said, as hard as the staff was, they were good.

 

[theprivate]

Yes.

On a side note, I’m curious as to which angle instructors find easier to instruct/which they’d prefer to instruct when it comes down to it—Candidates in peak physical condition able to handle any physical task put forth, or those who can simply do what’s required physically (nothing to exceptional standards though), but can handle the psychological aspect of training much more appropriately.

I did basic Nov 17-Feb 18

I was one of the latter. I couldn't do everything physically, but you'd have to shoot me before I would give up. I kept that attitude the whole way though, and it got the junior staff on my side, even if the PO1 and his 2IC didn't like me.

Unfortunately I was recoursed week 3 due to pneumonia (fever so bad I was wearing my ice jacket in the hottest room in the drill hall, feeling like I was freezing to death) and when I got the shitty news from the 2IC on that course, he told me I was his favourite type of candidate. The kind who would try their best at whatever was asked of them and even when they failed, they wouldn't quit.

Then I went on TRP for a week and joined a course with much harder staff of course  :

 

[theprivate]

If I can add something to this point made. Being in my final week here in St.Jean i have noticed a lot in the past 12 weeks one being is that if you don't have drive or passion for being here then you won't pass. However Pass/Fail rate is specific for platoon, for example my BMQ Serial started with 4 full platoons all with 60 Candidates, as of our grad week our french sister platoon has 28 students left, our other 2 english platoons have above 40 still. Another very large factor is the staff you get, in St.Jean you can have either Hell Platoon, Hollywood Platoon, or Party Platoon. I think the names speak for themselves. The bottom line here is don't come to BMQ with the mentality of "Am I going to fail" come with the mentality of "This is a breeze" you will be fine. Final point is that your instructors aren't there to fail you, that want to see you pass!

Hey man, I think we were on sister platoons. I was on the Hell one.

Most people dropped because they kept messing up over and over and weren't learning from it. I would screw something up, get yelled at, and not do it again. I finished the course with only 3 counsellings when the average was probably around 5, and that was entirely because the staff never had to talk to me about the same thing twice. Now I was no superstar, believe me, but I worked my butt of to make sure I didn't screw up repeatedly and it paid off.

A couple people got recoursed for being sick, but most just did dumb shit. DON'T DO DUMB SHIT AND YOU'LL BE FINE.

 

[daftandbarmy]

DON'T DO DUMB crap AND YOU'LL BE FINE.

This should be a t-shirt slogan

 

[mariomike]

DON'T DO DUMB SHIT AND YOU'LL BE FINE.

See also,

What not to do - No excuse BMQ tips [Merged]
https://army.ca/forums/threads/34712.0
29 pages.

Reasons for failing BMQ?
https://army.ca/forums/threads/108377.0

"Ways to Fail Basic":
http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/1147.0/nowap.html

"Do many recruits fail Basic Training?":
http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/12909/post-54977.html#msg54977

"Pass/Fail Tests":
http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/13585
 
"The best way to pass those tests is to pay attention in lectures, take good notes, study diligently when you have the time to do so (breaks, after meals and before bed), and learn drills exactly as your instructors teach them. Ask questions of your instructors at the time if you are unsure of anything. Practice drills and rehearse questions/answers with your peers throughout the course, not just the night before a written test. (And don‘t go in depending on half-remembered one liners from the net.)

The principal pass/fail tests are weapon checks where any safety infraction is an immediate fail. You will get retrained, refreshed and retested if you have difficulty, but repeated failures in one area or difficulty with multiple checks can lead to failure and recourse."

What happens if you fail BMQ?
https://army.ca/forums/threads/57336.0

Is it possible to fail BMQ for PT reasons or because of injury?
https://army.ca/forums/threads/97225.0

passing courses at BMQ 
https://army.ca/forums/threads/94749.0

etc...

 

[ontheedge]

I posted a poll asking people to share injuries they acquired during BMQ. And whether the injuries were transient, long lasting or permanent. That poll seems to have been removed or put somewhere else.  If the mod or others can enlighten me that would be appreciated.

 

[garb811]

I didn't see the poll, but I am skeptical as to what you would be trying to achieve with it. Statistically, you're not going to get a proper sampling and the data is not actually going to be reflective on the actual situation. 

Therefore, unless the site owner or Chief of Staff deem otherwise, please do not post a poll of that nature.

-Milnet.ca Staff

 

[ontheedge]

Wouldn’t that reasoning apply to all polling on this site?  In which case, why have the polling option at all?

 

[garb811]

Simply put, there is a difference between a, "Which pet do you like better? Puppies, Kitties or icky reptiles" type poll, and one that is asking for people to state if they have been injured on BMQ and the severity/duration of that injury. One is of no real consequence, the other can lead to people forming opinions that are not based on facts.

-Milnet.ca Staff

 

[JesseWZ]

Wouldn’t that reasoning apply to all polling on this site?  In which case, why have the polling option at all?

Because other polls on this site are for opinions. You’re asking for unbiased fact which is not possible with an anonymous poll like this. A serious injury to one person may not be near the same to another.

 

[PuckChaser]

What are you trying to achieve? People get hurt on BMQ. They also get hurt falling on their driveway in the winter. The best way to help prevent injuries is to show up in shape, but you're not going to stop all of them. Sometimes @#$@ just happens.

 

[ontheedge]

Okay thank you for the feedback. Duly noted

 

[daftandbarmy]

From what I've seen, current basic training is wayyyy better at making sure people don't get injured than 20 + years  ago.

Just my $0.02 worth.

 

[ontheedge]

From what I've seen, current basic training is wayyyy better at making sure people don't get injured than 20 + years  ago.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Yes after googling it further it seems the Forces made some changes with the ombudsman’s participation in 2000 after some dude seriously messed up his leg muscle. The report indicated the Forces were proactive and put systems in place to prevent needless injury. Good to hear.