Good god no.tomahawk6 said:Would converting RMC to the Sandhurst model work better for the CF ?
MCG said:Good god no.
If you want a race car, you don’t try to get it by converting your Cessna. You start new.
If Canada wants an officers academy, then it should create something new at a location with appropriate training real estate.
If Canada does not need a military university, then it should close RMC. But remember that RMC does more than just OCdt under grad education. There are a few post graduate technical programs that you will not find at a civilian university in Canada.
Pre-flight said:Mainly because the officer corps as a whole seems lacking from my POV. There seems to be a general lack of understanding of administrative procedures as well (which is understandable since SNCO's learn them over years of experience).
Everything from leadership, to administrative and disciplinary procedures, to parts of the CAFJODs and even a dumbed down version of the AOC could be bundled together in a 6 month or 12 month course that will better prepare officers for actual leadership and management. More-so than what a bachelor of arts can do, or what the leadership level system attempted but failed to do.
What, like what someone else does with Cranfield? Stop dreaming up proven concepts.dapaterson said:But must the CAF own a university, or can it sponsor such programs at another school (McMaster or UQM or Dal or McGill or UBC or... plenty of excellent schools in Canada)
dapaterson said:But must the CAF own a university, or can it sponsor such programs at another school (McMaster or UQM or Dal or McGill or UBC or... plenty of excellent schools in Canada)
If the CAF wants an academy as opposed to a university, then it should not try to twist RMC (on its tiny plot of land beside a base with a tiny training area) to that purpose. If the CAF wants an academy, RMC is not the institution to do it.tomahawk6 said:I have been thinking thatRMCthe CAF might use the Sandhurst model in that cadets attend a 44 week course culminating with a commission.Cadets would arrive already with a 4 year college degree.
Blackadder1916 said:Yes, but where would they get this?
When it comes to the criticism of leadership, Sajjan said the government intends to develop an action plan.
dapaterson said:But must the CAF own a university, or can it sponsor such programs at another school (McMaster or UQM or Dal or McGill or UBC or... plenty of excellent schools in Canada)
Towards_the_gap said:My humble 2c......
I worked with a great deal of awesome officers during my short time in the CF, on par with any I worked with in the British Army (products of Sandhurst). And of course, some absolute duds.
Was there a noticeable difference between RMC grads and non-RMC grads? Professionally, I'd say no. Academically, I wouldn't be able to judge, although I picked up a fair few spelling mistakes proof-reading things for officers (of both tribes) which I delighted in pointing out! Is the ring-knocking worth the 40k per person per annum? I can't say I saw any evidence of it, or anything to justify the 'mystique' that RMC seems to have within the military.
I understand that Britannia Naval Academy provides an 8 week Army-like training crucible to forge RN officers. If “JArmy” works there, why not here?Humphrey Bogart said:All this talk about Sandhurst, that's great but the CAF is a joint force and RMC is a joint College.
Humphrey Bogart said:If the CAF wanted to create a Sandhurst, it would need to also create a Britannia Naval Academy and RAF Academy.
Journeyman said:Now, if I was cynical.....
Will anyone wonder (out loud): "RMC used to produce military leaders; there has been no significant change to the MilCol programme, but now it doesn't work; what's different? Oh, the raw materials." No child left behind. Everyone gets a participation ribbon. Drool running from their mouths as they're glued to cell phones.
People are surprised that so many Cadets show up self-entitled, illiterate, socially helpless.... and RMC is supposed to magically fix that (without speaking harshly or releasing anyone)? :
Just as well I'm not cynical.