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Arrests at anti-Israel/Anti-NATO protest in Montreal

I personally hate that practice and don't think politicians need to comment on everything (doubt it's even Trudeau hitting send)

That said I believe he's created a climate where he been virtue signaling these messages so long now it's expected of him.

Example - He was in a rush to comment on that poor young Muslim girl who had her hajib ripped off and her hair cut, because racism (nevermind she lied about it). I don't believe he commented on the young girl our east who got assaulted for being Jewish, or the two LGBTQ women attacked by the gang of Muslim men.

Identify politics have been pushed hard for the last 9 years. Now people judge how many twitter characters Trudeau uses to condemn protest A compared to strongly condemning protest B.

Everything he does is under an extreme microscope of his own making.

Solid post. I never put that all together.
 
I personally hate that practice and don't think politicians need to comment on everything (doubt it's even Trudeau hitting send)

That said I believe he's created a climate where he been virtue signaling these messages so long now it's expected of him.

Example - He was in a rush to comment on that poor young Muslim girl who had her hajib ripped off and her hair cut, because racism (nevermind she lied about it). I don't believe he commented on the young girl out east who got assaulted for being Jewish, or the two LGBTQ women attacked by the gang of Muslim men (could be totally wrong here).

Identify politics have been pushed hard for the last 9 years. Now people judge how many twitter characters Trudeau uses to condemn protest A compared to strongly condemning protest B.

Everything he does is under an extreme microscope of his own making.
I think that’s all pretty fair to say, yeah.
 
Your missing the point. The anti-jewish/zionist/israeli movement in Canada is escalating every week, with very unacceptable chants, suggestions and outright hate speech. At this point, the PM should be on very high alarm levels about this. Yes, at the Montreal riot, there was plenty of the anti-jewish/pro-hamas BS being chanted (it was not just an "anti-NATO rally" as some media would have you believe)

I am going to be frank (and yes the blunt asshole in me is speaking), this kind of ho-hum, not our fault mentality that the Liberals have is a big part of what is pissing Canadians off in a huge way. There is once again, zero accountability. And it gets really tiring watching the lengthy explanations the Liberal defenders put up here. Enough. Accountability NOW. Transparency NOW.

Looking at these polls, its enough to see I am siding with the majority on this issue.

Then there are the Iran sponsored anti-Jewish assassination plots, to augment similar India driven anti-Sikh efforts, in our own backyard ...


Irwin Cotler says Iran assassination plot should be ‘wake-up call’ to world​


Former Liberal justice minister Irwin Cotler says an alleged Iranian plot to assassinate him should serve as a “wake-up call” for democracies around the world to combat transnational repression and violence by Iran and other hostile actors.

In an interview with Global News, Cotler, a vocal critic of the Iranian regime, said he was informed by his RCMP security detail late last month they had received “information of an imminent assassination attempt within the next 48 hours” while he was in Montreal to attend an event marking the 60th anniversary of his law class at McGill University.

“My security was intensified for those next 48 hours,” he said. His security was then lowered from the “highest level” several days ago, he added, though it’s unclear to him what changed.

“I then read — I have not been told — I then read that two suspects may have been apprehended.”

 
I personally hate that practice and don't think politicians need to comment on everything (doubt it's even Trudeau hitting send)

That said I believe he's created a climate where he been virtue signaling these messages so long now it's expected of him.

Example - He was in a rush to comment on that poor young Muslim girl who had her hajib ripped off and her hair cut, because racism (nevermind she lied about it). I don't believe he commented on the young girl out east who got assaulted for being Jewish, or the two LGBTQ women attacked by the gang of Muslim men (could be totally wrong here).

Identify politics have been pushed hard for the last 9 years. Now people judge how many twitter characters Trudeau uses to condemn protest A compared to strongly condemning protest B.

Everything he does is under an extreme microscope of his own making.
Live by the sword, indeed ....
 
His condemnation of them suggests otherwise. It was also his government that made public holocaust denial a crime just two years ago.

EDIT TO ADD: Oh, and recently listed Samidoun as a terrorist entity.
I, over the past decade, have now come to the conclusion that his "condemnation" means nothing. I highly doubt he even listens to the words he mouths, nor understands what he is saying. I've seen him contradict himself in the same sentence.
 
... I've seen him contradict himself in the same sentence.
If we're going to look at internal contradictions, no shortage on the PMJT front, but is that sorta like someone, say, supporting Ukraine while voting against an agreement UKR wants, or supporting OAS increases in a vote (but not reeeeeally wanting them)? No shortage of blame to share on that front.

Meanwhile, some of the latest on masks & stuff with the protest ....
 
If we're going to look at internal contradictions, no shortage on the PMJT front, but is that sorta like someone, say, supporting Ukraine while voting against an agreement UKR wants, or supporting OAS increases in a vote (but not reeeeeally wanting them)? No shortage of blame to share on that front.

Meanwhile, some of the latest on masks & stuff with the protest ....
Flip side to that, if someone was masked while committing a crime but is then identified, the much more serious charge of disguise with Intent is in play. Disguise with intent is a serious enough charge that a conviction constitutes “serious criminality” for immigration purposes.
 
Are we ready to declare Antifa a domestic terrorist organization yet, or are we going to keep pulling the wool over our eyes?
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Literally?
 
I personally hate that practice and don't think politicians need to comment on everything (doubt it's even Trudeau hitting send)

That said I believe he's created a climate where he been virtue signaling these messages so long now it's expected of him.

Example - He was in a rush to comment on that poor young Muslim girl who had her hajib ripped off and her hair cut, because racism (nevermind she lied about it). I don't believe he commented on the young girl out east who got assaulted for being Jewish, or the two LGBTQ women attacked by the gang of Muslim men (could be totally wrong here).

Identify politics have been pushed hard for the last 9 years. Now people judge how many twitter characters Trudeau uses to condemn protest A compared to strongly condemning protest B.

Everything he does is under an extreme microscope of his own making.
Don’t disagree. I’m just exceedingly annoyed at politicians who have to get their hot-takes out there during an evolving situation that has nothing to do with their jurisdiction (municipal police action in this case). Maybe he’s learning after this long in politics? Or maybe it’s just a coincidence? 🤷‍♂️
 
Are we ready to declare Antifa a domestic terrorist organization yet, or are we going to keep pulling the wool over our eyes?
‘Antifa’ would have to be a coherent group/organization for that to be meaningful. It’s basically just an affinity label. It means very little in its own right. If actions actually constitute terrorist activity per CC 83.01, you don’t need to designate a group to investigate or prosecute. Designation is merely a shortcut to a few charges that can still be made out without it.

The key to terrorism prosecutions is much less the group, and much more the combination of the actual activity, and more importantly, the ideological motives for that activity. There are a few dozen ways to ‘choose your own adventure’ through the various definitions of what can be terrorist activity.
 
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This is a group that has chapters, recruits and fundraises online, has a uniform and runs training events. It probably has better attendance than most reserve units.
 
This is a group that has chapters, recruits and fundraises online, has a uniform and runs training events. It probably has better attendance than most reserve units.
You’re mistaking a common part of a name shared by various decentralized groups for true organization. It’s also way, way short of the sort of activity that would attract terrorist designation. You might as well say any disruptive protest is terrorism.

It’s a term we’re very careful about how we throw around, with good reason.
 
You’re mistaking a common part of a name shared by various decentralized groups for true organization. It’s also way, way short of the sort of activity that would attract terrorist designation. You might as well say any disruptive protest is terrorism.

It’s a term we’re very careful about how we throw around, with good reason.
If this type of group is skating through designations, maybe those laws need strengthening? We froze the bank accounts of people that donated $50 to truckers blocking roads in downtown Ottawa, but we allow folks to fundraise for "direct actions" on behalf of a domestic terror group with impunity. Yes, there's a legal nuance. To the business owners in Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, and any other city that these thugs riot on behalf of a shared ideology there isn't much of one.
 
If this type of group is skating through designations, maybe those laws need strengthening? We froze the bank accounts of people that donated $50 to truckers blocking roads in downtown Ottawa, but we allow folks to fundraise for "direct actions" on behalf of a domestic terror group with impunity. Yes, there's a legal nuance. To the business owners in Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, and any other city that these thugs riot on behalf of a shared ideology there isn't much of one.
They aren’t ‘skating through’. They simply aren’t remotely close to hitting the threshold. “Terrorist activity” has specific meaning, and it’s written the way it is for a reason; in significant part to avoid capturing acts of protect - even if they’re abjectly criminal - in a too-loose definition of ‘terrorism’.

Convoy is a red herring, save to say it was also a long way off from “terrorism”. No powers relating to terrorism were relied on there.

Playing pushy-shovey with cops, and throwing bricks through some windows, or committing other property damage, is a far cry from the conduct categorized as terrorism, even if the ideological, religious, or political motive exists. I’d contend that there’s no gap of law over what went down the other night in Montreal, or any other violent protest. Point me to the act and I’ll tell you the offence or likely offences that could already be investigated and potentially prosecuted. We don’t need to dangerously stretch and loosen the definition of ‘terrorism’ to criminalize the behaviour you and I saw and didn’t like there. Anything you could try to point to to argue that claim is already going to be criminal.

For reference, linked is S. 83.01 pf the Crim Code, wherein you’ll find the criteria for the definition of ‘terrorist activity’. Sub (b) will be the useful part for you. “Terrorists group” is then immediately below.

I don’t think there’s anything lacking there. It’s already quite a broad definition that can capture a lot of activity, and case law has supported fairly expansive interpretations.
 
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