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Another Boring Rant on US Politics

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Slim said:
I think it does...Its just that people like yourself see that the U.S. is a free and prosperous nation but forget that there is a pricetag to go along with that.

I also believe that the Lefties are actaully a minority...Its just that no one ever bothers to report on George W being popular because whiners make much better press.

Slim

This post is representitive of this site's acceptable posting?

Yet, more snide comments and personal attacks. Lefties, whiners? People like yourself? Half of Americans (people like myself) feel as I do.

This post isn't worth any further response.



 
Steve said:
Woah woah .. wait a minute.

Backbone..? Canada..? Government..? Add..?

Alright, forgive the Family Guy style thing there, but we won't see anything close to a backbone until we drive the Liberals out of Canada and into the Atlantic ocean.

You're talking about your fellow countrymen. Lefties again?

So, is this site to be labled 'The Canadian Right Wing'?

I guess, I get it now, I'm on the wrong side. Hence, the attacks.

Shameful behavior.
 
Hey now it's time for you and me
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Come on now we're marching to the sea
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Who will take it from you
We will and who are we
We are volunteers of America

- Jefferson Airplane

Hey Gracie, the balls in your court.
 
MagieNoire said:
This post is representitive of this site's acceptable posting?

Yet, more snide comments and personal attacks. Lefties, whiners? People like yourself? Half of Americans (people like myself) feel as I do.

This post isn't worth any further response.

And another thing...! ::)


Freedom isn't free Maggie. You aught to be proud that you have a leader who has the inner strength to stand up to those free-people-hating wackjobs in the Middle East and say "No more!"

Unfortunately when you live in a great country like the U.S. you have to be continuously vigilant and occasionally, be ready to pay the piper when the time comes to defend it.

You also have the right to leave and go elsewhere if you hate it that much! That's what freedom means!
 
MagieNoire said:
You're talking about your fellow countrymen. Lefties again?

So, is this site to be labled 'The Canadian Right Wing'?

Not really. It speaks to all our politicians.
 
MagieNoire said:
You're talking about your fellow countrymen. Lefties again?

So, is this site to be labled 'The Canadian Right Wing'?

I guess, I get it now, I'm on the wrong side. Hence, the attacks.

Shameful behavior.

Hey .. don't convulute the issue here and make it what you want to be to suit your own views..

I took that political compass test about an hour ago in light of all this political talk. I barely scored left wing, I was mostly in the center and down a bit .. I know the top is Authoritarian, but I forgot the bottom .. perhaps Socialism or Anarchism? Hell if I know, point is I scored almost in the middle.

I don't care for this left and right belief BS. I care about what is working, and what is not working. Under the Liberal Government, both with Chretien and Martin, we have had the horrendous failure of gun control and registration, that 1 billion HRDC "boondoggle" and the subsequent scandals and cover ups, and even more broken promises and lies (I remember when he said he would provide a large military budget increase, and I thought "yes Uncle Pauly, I'll sooner see Muslims and Jews dancing in the streets under a rainbow") and in the end result - where has Canada gone? Absolutely no where. Except now we pissed away some more money and broke our military machine even more. Maybe one day they will realize that it's a noble idea to not want to make war but there are those who do, and you can either defend yourself or roll over like a sucker? Simply put, if I said to you "I'm going to punch you in the face and nothing will dissuade me from doing so" you can either defend yourself or stand there and get smoked. With the Liberal action regarding our military, they are adopting the "I'm going to stand like an idiot hippy and shower myself with rose petals" - you think anyone who wants to hurt us is going to run away because they respect our peaceful nature or fear our flowers? Not bloody friggen likely.

The Liberals are a failure, and I was upset when the PC's lost to them. I didn't vote this year (on the account the base's idea here of publicizing voting booths was a small sign on the bulletin board in the Canex) but I am definately voting for Harper next election. I don't like the NDP's and the Green Party, the Bloc Quebecois can kiss my Anglo-Canadian ass and the Liberals ... well, we just covered their "successes"

I want Canada to go somewhere. I am tired of feeling like my country is adrift in a still pond, siphoning off of the United States.

I usually don't say too much about my own beliefs (never explain, never defend) but the current state in Canada and over the last decade is ridiculous .. when will the people wake up and realize we need a change?
 
MagieNoire said:
You're talking about your fellow countrymen. Lefties again?

So, is this site to be labled 'The Canadian Right Wing'?

I guess, I get it now, I'm on the wrong side. Hence, the attacks.

Shameful behavior.

*sigh*

Typical.  As soon as someone dares to disagree with you, it's an attack and an oppresion of your rights.  Next you'll be calling us racist and sexist.  I get enough of that nonsense on university campuses and anti-war rallies.  This isn't the place for it.
 
You know what it all comes down to, integrity.

We are a two party system. Ha, ha, ha the Green Party and stooges. We have Republicans and Democrats. Both are run by corporations. This is the way it is and if you believe otherwise, you're fooling yourself. There isn't anything wrong with either ideology, when they are implemented with INTEGRITY. That is what is lacking. I could vote either way, IF I believed the policies would be implemented with integrity. Of course, we all know, that's not going to happen. I apologize, I don't know a lot about your government but if they are like mine, they no longer represent the people. Not rightwing or lefties or greenies but the people.They make concessions to be elected and then break them. In fact, I believe they thrive on the division and help to widen it. Ultimately, it falls on the people's back for allowing its government to become more than an administration of the people's affairs. As I mentioned before, we have not been vigilant.

I support the military. I support dropping terrorist where the stand. However, I do not support westernizing the middle east at the expense of my brothers and sisters blood. I do not support a government who has used a tragic day in our country's history to further it's political agenda. I do not savor my government feeding on our patriotism and fear as fuel for its endeavors. 


I'm not a rightwinger, a lefty or a green whatever. I am an American. My team, is America.

My country is deeply divided. A people, a country cannot survive so divided. Eventually, it will fall. I believe our politicians like us to be divided. It helps their agendas. And the American people, happily graze on the 10 second sound bites from whichever bias new or talk show they feel comfortable with, and accept the opinions as their own. Few question. Thus, they are sheep in my mind. I wish them no harm but wish they would wake the h*ll up! My 10 year old son knows more about politics and world events than most adults. Hence, bah, bah, bah.

I am afraid for my country. It has strayed far from its origin. Now, comes more of a melding of church and state. It goes far beyond Iraq.

Normally, I would feel relatively proud to be American, but I find myself feeling ashamed. We have so much and are misusing it and taking it for granted. I am a strong spirited woman. It is my nature. My motto follows a quote from Star Wars, "Do or do not. There is no try."

Yet, what is to be done? Pray? Yeah, sure. I'll pray. Sigh, it is the same as it ever was. Only now, it's getting worse. A new era is upon us.

God help us all.

These are my feelings. Nothing more or less. You are not required to like them or agree with them. They merely are.








 
MagieNoire said:
What do you wanna bet, does the US go to Africa or not?
They did in the past... remember Somalia ?? I guess the USA went there to exploit the ressource-rich country... especially the oil  ::)
The USA went to Somalia with good intentions, and were abandonned by the UN. They were forced to pull out and Somalia was to go through 10 more years of anarchy. What was the wrong decision: to send troops to Somalia or to pull out before the job was done ? Maybe you should ask Clinton...
So, where are all those US citizens who promised to move to Canada if Bush was re-elected ?? They chickened out ??  ;)
 
So, where are all those US citizens who promised to move to Canada if Bush was re-elected  They chickened out

Just as well...We have our own and certainly don't need more!

Slim
 
So, where are all those US citizens who promised to move to Canada if Bush was re-elected

They all went to Vegas and are building bunkers, instead  :)

Sorry Magie - I know your affinity for one-liners  ;D
 
Slim said:
Just as well...We have our own and certainly don't need more!

Slim
I agree, but it just goes to show these are loudmouths who enjoy life in the USA too much to move away. A lot of talk, but no action... so when people do take action, it pisses them off to see others have the guts to do it. So they turn rebellious...
Personally, if they don't like Bush, they can move to North Korea, I hear they have a Great Leader over there !!  ;)
 
I was looking forward to seeing Sean Penn driving a taxi in Toronto, but cest la vie.

MagieNoire said:
You know what it all comes down to, integrity.

Given I only have "observer status" in US politics, what I see and read and hear from the Republican administration is in accord with what I see and read and hear about what is happening in the world (from a multitude of sources), and also internally consistent.

Your Democrats say things to pander to the voters of the moment, but are very quick to flip flop, and the erasure of their previous positions by the so called MSM is very similar to George Orwell's description of life in "1984". The best example? At a recent White house press conference, an official read a statement outlining the current crisis with the Social Security program. The assembled reporters were all over him, of course, until at the end of the conference, the official revealed the statement was a direct quote from President Clinton from 1998 or 99. (I feel lazy tonight, but I can find the reference)

I support the military. I support dropping terrorist where the stand. However, I do not support westernizing the middle east at the expense of my brothers and sisters blood. I do not support a government who has used a tragic day in our country's history to further it's political agenda. I do not savor my government feeding on our patriotism and fear as fuel for its endeavors.

I also remember George W Bush running for President in 2000; he had clearly learned the lesson of his father's presidency and campaigned on a fully loaded domestic platform. Nation building and military action was something he pledged to avoid as not being in America's interest and counter to his political agenda. Unfortunately, people had other ideas, and it is the true measure of the man that he wasn't paralyzed or panicked, but turned the ship of state smartly about to deal with the threat. The Jihadis and their sponsors do not care for you or your opinions, and given the chance would happily behead you on live TV. In this forum, we disagree with your position, but don't forget that all the serving members on this forum are pledged to fight and die for our nations, and one of the things we are defending is you. Be thankful that this is the society you live in, and our patriotism helps protect it and keeps you safe.

I am afraid for my country. It has strayed far from its origin. Now, comes more of a melding of church and state. It goes far beyond Iraq.

Your President is a religious man, and is not ashamed to express that part of himself, but I have not seen any indications that he is attempting to convert you or me or anyone else. The separation of Church and State expressly forbids the establishment of a "Church of America", or state sponsored religion. If the Administration truly behaved the way you are saying, life in American would closely resemble life in Iran, Saudi Arabia or Taliban era Afghanistan (or Fallujiah when the Jihadis were in control).

I found the Second Inaugural speech to be a moving testament to what America has stood for over the centuries, and a pledge to continue to do so. It followed in the fine tradition of the Declaration of Independence, and many of Lincoln's speeches. Like Pericles "Funeral Oration", it is a statement of values; how well you follow them is up to you. My own personal hope is you will see the day Condelezza Rice is sworn in as President, the fulfillment of  Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech.
A new era is upon us.
Amen to that.
 
No offense but I can see by a few of your replies, you don't have a full idea beyond what your favorite source has told you to believe.

I live here, and mister, I fully understand and can see what is happening. Our govenment is using the terrorist situation as a shield to do as they please. I hope you enjoy eating crow because you will be eating a healthy dish of it before this is finished. And this, is what ticks me off! Honorable men and women laying their lives on the line for vampires like Bush/politics. They're already to go slicing and dicing our constitution. It's what they do. The Patriot Act. Do you really believe a sound, self thinking American supports this? Proably. We're just a bunch whatever stupid sarcastic name you place upon us. Little by little, Americans are buying the farm. Little by little, they're willing to give up civil rights and freedoms, so they can feel safe. Yeah, so they can feel safe sitting pigging down their super sized meal in front of ignorant reality television. Most of them, don't even know who the Speaker of the House is, but they support him. They support, The Patriot Act. This is just one aspect. There are more. It might not sound like much to you, you're Canadian, but to an American whose paying attention, the freakin' writing is on the wall. So, go ahead and answer with more of the same.

It doesn't speak well of your site, as I haven't insulted you but go ahead. Sling your meaningless insults.
 
The Patriot Act. Do you really believe a sound, self thinking American supports this? Proably. We're just a bunch whatever stupid sarcastic name you place upon us

Ma'am

Forgive me for saying so but you sound like a candidate for a private militia or something equaly as drastic!

Instead of just rhetoric, could you please provide us with some examples of the impending crisis, instead of just sounding like Chicken-Little and swearing that the sky is falling...

Slim
 
I live here, and mister

Woop-tee-doooo   I live a few hundred miles east of you, and have for almost 8 years. Before that, Maine for 6 years. Nice try though....   ::)
 
Jungle said:
I agree, but it just goes to show these are loudmouths who enjoy life in the USA too much to move away. A lot of talk, but no action... so when people do take action, it pisses them off to see others have the guts to do it. So they turn rebellious...
Personally, if they don't like Bush, they can move to North Korea, I hear they have a Great Leader over there !!  ;)

It's the Dear Leader you South Korean spy! Or maybe you're working for the evil imperialists? Off to the Gulag with you!

Back on topic.. the sad thing is I can see both of your sides and points. Instead of butting heads over the issues endlessly, do you think it's possible to somehow merge the two trains of thought, or at least, find common ground..?

Just some random thought
 
MagieNoire said:
No offense but I can see by a few of your replies, you don't have a full idea beyond what your favorite source has told you to believe.

Could say the same about you.

MagieNoire said:
Do you really believe a sound, self thinking American supports this?

Again, I'd say more do than you. He's in office once more on their tally. 50% + 1 is still a majority.

MagieNoire said:
They're already to go slicing and dicing our constitution. It's what they do. The Patriot Act.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't it take a majority consisting of both Democrat and Republican to pass the act?

MagieNoire said:
It doesn't speak well of your site, as I haven't insulted you but go ahead. Sling your meaningless insults.

You seem to be the only one losing it and hurling little insulting daggers of hate.

 
recceguy said:
Could say the same about you.

Again, I'd say more do than you. He's in office once more on their tally. 50% + 1 is still a majority.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't it take a majority consisting of both Democrat and Republican to pass the act?

You seem to be the only one losing it and hurling little insulting daggers of hate.

I'm not losing anything. Just calmly stating fact. Please point out to me my 'daggers of hate'.

You fail to mention under which 'pretense' The Patriot Act was passed. Do you know? Let's be real, shall we? How many politicians are going up against the greatest public show of patriotism since Pearl Habor? Does that mean, The Patriot Act should have been passed. No, but it was. And this prevails even today. The Bush administration uses it like an ace in the hole in a poker game. Rather effectively too.

Do you take my disapproval of my government as not supporting the military? I am sincerely interested in your or any military person's answer.

Also, I was wondering if there is a thread of a place to begin a thread where I can ask Canadians (you guys/gals) about your healthcare system. I am interested in hearing directly from the citizens. You know, the pros and cons. Is it a bad idea or a good idea that's not being implemented well. Or is it a great system.

Our country's healthcare system is in bad shape. Anyway, I don't know where or how or if I am suppose to be able to ask.

Thanks.

 
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