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Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

He's just your typical East Coast Liberal. I'm assuming he's here in the right coast of course.

These Maritime Liberals treat their party allegiance like it's some sort of blood bond passed down through generations.
Yep lives outside of town. From I gather he med pensioned off and uses his spare time to help other mil pensioners get their claims approved, that and rail against PP. When you call him on something he freaks out.


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I suspect these Ontario caucus members (about 50 out of a total of 75 Ontario Team Red MP's) will soon learn that convening may not be enough ....
"Ontario Liberal MPs want Justin Trudeau to step down: sources" (CBC)
 
I suspect these Ontario caucus members (about 50 out of a total of 75 Ontario Team Red MP's) will soon learn that convening may not be enough ....
"Ontario Liberal MPs want Justin Trudeau to step down: sources" (CBC)

Nope…nice try 2/3 of Ontario Liberal MPs…
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Doesn’t matter…El Jefe no va anywhero unless he wants to.


By the Constitution of the Liberal Party of Canada, Part M, Section 44, Sub-section b: an incumbent leader only ceases to be leader following a ‘Leadership Triggering Event.’
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Trudeau had previous elements of recall or removal in the LPC Constitution removed…
 
I was only a child for the PET years but from what I have read and heard from my parents, aunts, uncles, parole officer, etc. is that PET was not near as destructive all around as JT was. Now, I can't remember where in the blazes I read or heard this, but I was led to believe that Pierre Trudeau had kind of taken a hardened and bitter attitude towards Canadian politics after he departed. I also heard he did not want his children involved with politics. @Edward Campbell any thoughts or reflections on this?
Pere had a much strong sense of national identity; none of his son's 'post nation state' frippery. His sense of national identity had some extremes, such as the National Energy Plan and his response to the October Crisis, and strong stances win you strong supporters and strong enemies.

Unfortunately, that sense of nationalism didn't extend to the military.

He also brought in some decent law reforms like 'the state has no business in the nation's bedrooms' but I can't remember if that was as PM or Justice Minister and, as we all know, the Charter and a repatriated Constitution.

He had a haughty, some would call arrogant, air about him which rubbed people.
 
Pere had a much strong sense of national identity; none of his son's 'post nation state' frippery. His sense of national identity had some extremes, such as the National Energy Plan and his response to the October Crisis, and strong stances win you strong supporters and strong enemies.
His idea of "national identity" started in Rimouski, ended in Dryden, and vehemently opposed anything that resembled a reference to the Crown.

Unfortunately, that sense of nationalism didn't extend to the military.
It was an expense that got in the way of social reforms. One seemingly imposed by external entitites (NATO, The U.S., the UN). Sound familiar?

He also brought in some decent law reforms like 'the state has no business in the nation's bedrooms' but I can't remember if that was as PM or Justice Minister and, as we all know, the Charter and a repatriated Constitution.
I can't fault him for legal reform or repatriation of the Constitution. I would fault him highly for the Official Languages Act, that was a heavy-handed solution to a very secular problem.

He had a haughty, some would call arrogant, air about him which rubbed people.
My father once referred to PET as an asshole who was sometimes right, mostly wrong, but never shut up about being right.

He referred to PMJT as the idiot son of an asshole with a punchable face.

Dad never was much for political discussion....
 
From a short on the street interview with Singh yesterday, he said he will bring down the Trudeau government.
Does that mean the two CPC, one BQ motions the NDP will abstain from voting, thus the NDP motion will pass and Singh will brag how he brought down the government?
If this is Singh's plan, he is really, really stupid.
 
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If PP ends up doing much the same as JT then he’ll end up in my bad books as well.
Myself as well.

I jumped the gun a little. I'm always curious when people appear to hold Poilievre and Trudeau in the same tier.
Like they're both pretty much the same even after Trudeaus 9 years of lies, hidden agendas, foreign interference, billions missing, and so on.
 
Myself as well.

I jumped the gun a little. I'm always curious when people appear to hold Poilievre and Trudeau in the same tier.
Like they're both pretty much the same even after Trudeaus 9 years of lies, hidden agendas, foreign interference, billions missing, and so on.

I wont hesitate to turn around on PP and the CPC if they are as lame duck as the current Gov.

They, the CPC, have a real opportunity to move the country in a different and positive direction with a massive majority mandate. If they squander it, they deserve the losses they get, and they don't deserve my vote.
 
I wont hesitate to turn around on PP and the CPC if they are as lame duck as the current Gov.

They, the CPC, have a real opportunity to move the country in a different and positive direction with a massive majority mandate. If they squander it, they deserve the losses they get, and they don't deserve my vote.
If PP and the CPC mess things up, there won’t really be a Canada left. We are that close to the brink, IMHO.
 
From a short on the street interview with Singh yesterday, he said he will bring down the Trudeau government.
Does that mean the two CPC, one BQ motions the NDP will abstain from voting, thus the NDP motion will pass and Singh will brag how he brought down the government?
If this is Singh's plan, he is really, really stupid.
It’s not clear to me exactly how soon after resumption a confidence vote could be triggered.
 
However, there’s no formal mechanism for Liberal lawmakers to eject their leader or trigger a contest.

There absolutely is a mechanism.

The PM serves at the pleasure of the GG on the understanding that he or she has the support of the majority of the House of Commons. Conventionally that individual comes with the backing of a party.

Ultimately the fate of the PM rests with the House of Commons and whether or not he or she has that majority.

Patently this PM has lost his majority

103 Trudeauite Liberals

50 Non-Trudeau Liberals
120 Non-Trudeau Conservatives
33 Non-Trudeau Bloqistes
25 Non-Trudeau NDP

2 Greens
4 Independents
1 Vacant

Poilievre was quite within his rights to bring this matter to the GG and request an opportunity to form Government. The correct response, in my opinion, then becomes, because it is not clear that the house would support Poilievre anymore than it would support Trudeau, and the parliamentary term is so close to completion, a general election.

The issue is not in Trudeau's hands. It is in the hands of the Commons and the GG.

Loss of an election triggers a Liberal leadership review.

There is a mechanism.
 

There absolutely is a mechanism.

The PM serves at the pleasure of the GG on the understanding that he or she has the support of the majority of the House of Commons. Conventionally that individual comes with the backing of a party.

Ultimately the fate of the PM rests with the House of Commons and whether or not he or she has that majority.

Patently this PM has lost his majority

103 Trudeauite Liberals

50 Non-Trudeau Liberals
120 Non-Trudeau Conservatives
33 Non-Trudeau Bloqistes
25 Non-Trudeau NDP

2 Greens
4 Independents
1 Vacant

Poilievre was quite within his rights to bring this matter to the GG and request an opportunity to form Government. The correct response, in my opinion, then becomes, because it is not clear that the house would support Poilievre anymore than it would support Trudeau, and the parliamentary term is so close to completion, a general election.

The issue is not in Trudeau's hands. It is in the hands of the Commons and the GG.

Loss of an election triggers a Liberal leadership review.

There is a mechanism.
The GG is also within her rights to ignore the letter.
 

There absolutely is a mechanism.

The PM serves at the pleasure of the GG on the understanding that he or she has the support of the majority of the House of Commons. Conventionally that individual comes with the backing of a party.

Ultimately the fate of the PM rests with the House of Commons and whether or not he or she has that majority.

Patently this PM has lost his majority

103 Trudeauite Liberals

50 Non-Trudeau Liberals
120 Non-Trudeau Conservatives
33 Non-Trudeau Bloqistes
25 Non-Trudeau NDP

2 Greens
4 Independents
1 Vacant

Poilievre was quite within his rights to bring this matter to the GG and request an opportunity to form Government. The correct response, in my opinion, then becomes, because it is not clear that the house would support Poilievre anymore than it would support Trudeau, and the parliamentary term is so close to completion, a general election.

The issue is not in Trudeau's hands. It is in the hands of the Commons and the GG.

Loss of an election triggers a Liberal leadership review.

There is a mechanism.
He was right inasmuch as there’s no direct mechanism for party members to simply say “enough”. By very sound convention, the GG will not dissolve parliament until loss of confidence in the House has been concretely demonstrated. That has not yet happened. On the contrary the government survived several recent confidence votes; Poillievre’s theatrics might have actually slightly weakened his own case in that respect.

Even if Liberal MPs want to buck the party leader on a confidence vote, they still need to wait for a confidence matter to be before the House. That will happen, but I don’t know how soon the opposition will have the opportunity to introduce one.
 
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