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Speaking of crazy (notions), check this out... the energy discussion is part way through the video after all the alien talk...
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Speaking of crazy (notions), check this out... the energy discussion is part way through the video after all the alien talk...
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World Climate Declaration There is no climate emergency
World Climate Declaration There is no climate emergency A global network of over 1400 scientists professionals prepared this urgent message.
clintel.org
Derek H. Burney: The politics of climate alarmism
The climate debate has been hijacked by a political narrative that brooks neither dissent nor balance
nationalpost.com
By all means, react to the change. In truth we don't need governments for that. We look after that bit ourselves. Too hot or too cold. Seek shelter. Hungry. Seek food. Thirsty. Seek water.
But panic serves no one but those creating the panic.
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It really is a competence crisis.View attachment 80418
World Climate Declaration There is no climate emergency
World Climate Declaration There is no climate emergency A global network of over 1400 scientists professionals prepared this urgent message.
Derek H. Burney: The politics of climate alarmism
The climate debate has been hijacked by a political narrative that brooks neither dissent nor balance
By all means, react to the change. In truth we don't need governments for that. We look after that bit ourselves. Too hot or too cold. Seek shelter. Hungry. Seek food. Thirsty. Seek water.
But panic serves no one but those creating the panic.
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View attachment 80418
World Climate Declaration There is no climate emergency
World Climate Declaration There is no climate emergency A global network of over 1400 scientists professionals prepared this urgent message.
Derek H. Burney: The politics of climate alarmism
The climate debate has been hijacked by a political narrative that brooks neither dissent nor balance
By all means, react to the change. In truth we don't need governments for that. We look after that bit ourselves. Too hot or too cold. Seek shelter. Hungry. Seek food. Thirsty. Seek water.
But panic serves no one but those creating the panic.
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”
- H.L. Mencken
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Thanks. My learning continues. How can you have hope and demand change if you don't have fear in the first place?
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Reheating the Global Warming Debate
Prior to the last ice age..... all years are BC/BCE
There were people and dogs.
The Neanderthals didn't survive the event but we did.
The Mammoth Bone Wigwam was similar to those found at Dolne Vestonice in Slovakia dated to about 27,000 years ago, at the height of the last ice age. Those people also had the technology to create the multimodal transport employed by the Inuit in the pre-Skidoo days. Their movement was slowed down when the ice disappeared and they were forced to walk on muddy grass and dodge ponds, lakes and rivers.
Dogs take you, your sled and your boat upstream over the ice. You sell or eat the dogs. Take pups back down river with you in your kayak in the spring.
Ice coverage in Canada from about 31000 BC to 16000 BC
About 12000 years ago, 10,000 BC, global warming exposes the Eastern Slopes of the Rockies but the ice and the edges of the ice preserve an environment similar to that exploited by the Inuit (seal hunters), the Dene (caribou hunters) and the Salmon fishers of the Pacific.
At this time their compatriots were finding it harder going in the Middle East. There they were starting to work on their farming skills and building meeting places with clocks like Gobekli Tepe.
Between 8500 years ago and 5000 years ago warming caused the ice sheet over Hudson Bay to collapse. This raised the water levels drastically separating Eurasia from Britain and flooding the Black Sea. The farmers in the area ran for high ground and eventually found their way to Britain by way of the Danube and the Mediterranean.
When they got there they started farming, raising cattle and building more meeting places and clocks like Stonehenge and the Stones of Stenness, and no doubt employing time keepers and security guards to keep an eye on their meeting places.
This is the same era the Mesopotamians started keeping track of the their beer, barley and slaves by hiring accountants who immediately created clay spread sheets. Shortly thereafter the system was used for writing pornography and other tall tales. The Egyptians started creating an empire and building pyramids.
While this was happening Northern Quebec and the Barrenlands of Nunavut looked a lot like Greenland today. The Eastern Woodlands started to grow and the Algonkian language seems to have risen contemporaneously with the growth of the woodlands.
.....
When did we want Global Warming to stop?
Prior to the last ice age..... all years are BC/BCE
There were people and dogs.
| -31,000 | Ice Sheets Grow |
| -31,000 | A shift from a wet period to a dryer one some 33,000 years ago may have disrupted the Ostrich eggshell bead trade zone network |
| -31,000 | Aurignacian Culture Subsumed |
| -31,000 | Red Lady of Paviland - 20 year old male found in a cave on the Gower Peninsula in Wales by Rev Buckland - Mammoth hunter |
| -31,000 | Ostrich eggshell bead trade zone - Southern Africa to Eastern Africa (1800 miles) - 48,000 BC to 31,000 BC |
| -31,000 | In 2020, the nuclear genome was generated of a 33,000 YBP Pleistocene wolf from an archaeological site on the Yana River, arctic northeastern Siberia. The Yana wolf sequence was more closely related to the 35,000 YBP Taimyr wolf than it was to modern wolves. There was evidence of gene flow between the Yana-Taimyr wolves and the Pre-Columbian, Zhokhov, and modern sled dogs. This suggests that genetic admixture has occurred between the Pleistocene wolves and the ancestor of these dogs. There was no evidence of admixture between sled dogs and the modern grey wolf for the past 9,500 years. |
| -30,000 | Dog domestication |
| -30,000 | The Zhokhov study proposes that after having diverged from the common ancestor shared with the grey wolf, the evolution of the dog proceeded in three stages. The first was natural selection based on feeding behavior within the ecological niche that had been formed through human activity. The second was artificial selection based on tamability. The third was directed selection based on forming breeds that possessed qualities to help with specific tasks within the human economy. The process commenced 30,000–40,000 YBP with its speed increasing in each stage until domestication became complete. |
| -30,000 | Earlier in 2018, a study proposes that the Yana site showed evidence of wolf pre-domestication. There are remains of medium-sized canids found there that could not be referred to as dogs, however they showed indications of living with people. These included worn and partially-missing teeth, and the skull of an almost-adult showing juvenile features. The morphologic and morphometric anomalies in the specimens indicate commensalism and the earliest stage of domestication. |
| -30,000 | The ancient North Siberians were once a people whose ancestors archaeological remains have been found at the Paleolithic Yana RHS (Rhinoceros Horn Site) on the Yana River delta in arctic northern Siberia that is dated 31,600 YBP, and at the Mal’ta site near Lake Baikal in southern Siberia just north of Mongolia that is dated 24,000 YBP. Ancient dog remains dating to this time and place have yet to be discovered to support this hypothesis.[12] |
| -30,000 | Polished Stone Axes of Nagano |
| -30,000 | Mortar and Pestle Used for Grinding Oats - Grotto Paglicci in South Italy |
| -30,000 | Oats, Acorns, Millet, Bulrushes - heated, dried, ground, hydrated, cooked. - Food Processing |
| -30,000 | Rise of the Gravettian Culture across Europe |
| -28,000 | Beringia exposed |
| -28,000 | Aurignacian-Perigordian cave drawings of people being pierced by arrows |
| -28,000 | Aurignacian Culture of Europe - Spain to Crimea - subsumed |
| -28,000 | Caldey Island off Wales - paleolithic hunters feeding off of terrestrial game |
| -28,000 | Traces of Paleolithic culture, mainly stone tools, occur in Japan from around 30 000 BP onwards. |
| -28,000 | The earliest "Incipient Jōmon" phase began while Japan was still linked to continental Asia as a narrow peninsula. |
| -28,000 | Bear Spirit Mountain - W. Virginia - 28,000 to 13,000 BC |
| -28,000 | Sauce, Uruguay |
| -28,000 | Spears and Stone tools found at 65 degrees north on the Yana Rivers in Siberia |
| -28,000 | Einkorn harvesting from the wild at Tell Qaramel in N. Syria starts genetic selection process |
| -28,000 | Hohle Fels Polished Stone Dildo/Pestle |
| -27,000 | 23,000 year wobble - Apsidal and Axial precession - Green Sahara to Dry |
| -27,000 | Scottish Ice Advance |
| -27,000 | Dolne Vestonice Nets |
| -26,000 | Cro-Magnon of Southern Italy genetically distinct from Neanderthal and identical to modern humans |
| -25,000 | Cosquer Cave France - Hand Stencils |
| -25,000 | Dolne Vestonice Weaving |
| -25,000 | Dolne Vestonice - At an isolated site 80 meters upstream lies a lean-to shelter dug into an embankment an estimated 2,300 clay figurines of various animals were found in and around the remains of a kiln - one of the first instances of a covered oven, hot enough to fire clay. |
| -25,000 | Dolne Vestonice Ceramics - Gravettian period, which spanned roughly 27,000 to 20,000 B.C |
| -24,500 | Wuerm - Last Glacial Maximum |
| -24,000 | Neanderthal Extinction Glaciation |
The Neanderthals didn't survive the event but we did.
The Mammoth Bone Wigwam was similar to those found at Dolne Vestonice in Slovakia dated to about 27,000 years ago, at the height of the last ice age. Those people also had the technology to create the multimodal transport employed by the Inuit in the pre-Skidoo days. Their movement was slowed down when the ice disappeared and they were forced to walk on muddy grass and dodge ponds, lakes and rivers.
Dogs take you, your sled and your boat upstream over the ice. You sell or eat the dogs. Take pups back down river with you in your kayak in the spring.
| -24,000 | Peña Capón rock shelter in Guadalajara province, Spain on the banks of the Sorbe River material remains attributed to hunter-gatherers who had inhabited the region 26 100 to 23 800 years ago. The rock shelter was used seasonally by these Solutrean and Proto-Solutrean groups of Homo sapiens for hunting and processing prey. |
| -24,000 | Homo sapiens hunter-gatherers did not avoid the interior region, even during the Heinrich Stadial 2, one of the coldest periods of the last ice age. |
| -24,000 | Hunter-gatherers entered the Iberian interior and settled there at least during Solutrean times, around 25,000 to 20,000 years ago. |
| -24,000 | Mammoths butchered on Kotelny Island in Siberian Arctic |
| -24,000 | Rise of the Solutrean Culture |
| -23,000 | Northern Eurasians interbreed with the East Asian ancestors of modern Native Americans in North-East Siberia |
| -23,000 | Amerindian mtDNA is found only in mtDNA haplogroups A2a, A2b, B2, C1b, C1c, C1d, C1d1 D1, D3, D4h3a, D4e1c, and X2a. |
| -23,000 | a common style of stone tool production found across the Americas, |
| -23,000 | utilized by highly mobile bands consisting of approximately 20 to 60 members of an extended family. |
| -23,000 | Family groups moved every 3–6 days, possibly traveling up to 360 km (220 mi) a year. |
| -23,000 | Food would have been plentiful during the few warm months of the year. |
| -23,000 | Lakes and rivers were teeming with many species of fish, birds and aquatic mammals |
| -23,000 | Nuts, berries and edible roots could be found in the forests and marshes. |
| -23,000 | Clothing was made from a variety of animal hides that were also used for shelter construction.[ |
| -23,000 | Yukon, North BC, West AB |
| -23,000 | Old Crow 67N - 38,000 to 23,000 BP |
Ice coverage in Canada from about 31000 BC to 16000 BC
About 12000 years ago, 10,000 BC, global warming exposes the Eastern Slopes of the Rockies but the ice and the edges of the ice preserve an environment similar to that exploited by the Inuit (seal hunters), the Dene (caribou hunters) and the Salmon fishers of the Pacific.
At this time their compatriots were finding it harder going in the Middle East. There they were starting to work on their farming skills and building meeting places with clocks like Gobekli Tepe.
Between 8500 years ago and 5000 years ago warming caused the ice sheet over Hudson Bay to collapse. This raised the water levels drastically separating Eurasia from Britain and flooding the Black Sea. The farmers in the area ran for high ground and eventually found their way to Britain by way of the Danube and the Mediterranean.
When they got there they started farming, raising cattle and building more meeting places and clocks like Stonehenge and the Stones of Stenness, and no doubt employing time keepers and security guards to keep an eye on their meeting places.
This is the same era the Mesopotamians started keeping track of the their beer, barley and slaves by hiring accountants who immediately created clay spread sheets. Shortly thereafter the system was used for writing pornography and other tall tales. The Egyptians started creating an empire and building pyramids.
While this was happening Northern Quebec and the Barrenlands of Nunavut looked a lot like Greenland today. The Eastern Woodlands started to grow and the Algonkian language seems to have risen contemporaneously with the growth of the woodlands.
.....
When did we want Global Warming to stop?
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It doesn't look like we'll have much of a choice ...
Evidence - NASA Science
Takeaways The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia. Earth’s climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking...
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Wake me when it gets worse than it has ever been…It doesn't look like we'll have much of a choice ...
Evidence - NASA Science
Takeaways The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia. Earth’s climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking...
Yes, we clearly should do a better job with the planet, but remember the house always wins, so if we are that incompetent or uncaring, maybe the next dominant species will be in the next 30k years.
evidence is unequivocal which is why 1500 scientists (approx) including 2 Nobel winners have signed saying it isn't. For me, the evidence for deceit is unequivocal. Trudeau says its true (proof 1) and the UN says its true (Proof 2) Is any other evidence needed?It doesn't look like we'll have much of a choice ...
Evidence - NASA Science
Takeaways The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia. Earth’s climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking...
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A proof is a proof is a proof…
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It doesn't look like we'll have much of a choice ...
Evidence - NASA Science
Takeaways The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia. Earth’s climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking...
I'll see your climatologists and raise you a bunch of physicists, geologists and archaeologists.
Comets, asteroids and volcanos do a lot more damage in a lot shorter period of time and yet we are still here. Somehow we have adapted.
And we adapted when the sun melted the great ice cube that was Canada which repeatedly flooded the rest of the world.
Do you know what happened to all that carbon that got pulled out of the ground and burnt? It became people. We ain't nuthin' but recycled carboniferous era biomass.
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I must suppose that if the evidence of something like the "Little Ice Age" is only evidence of a local rather than global shift, that ice cores from Greenland or Antarctica are at best only evidence of local shifts around Greenland or Antarctica.
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It's an ill wind that blows nobody good.
China's woes are largely water woes.
phys.org
China's woes are largely water woes.
Recent decades likely wettest in four millennia in Tibet
Recent decades may have been the wettest in 3,500 years in North East Tibet – according to climate researchers at the University of East Anglia (UK) and the Chinese Academy of Sciences (Lanzhou, China).
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I believe in climate change. The changes are obvious.
I believe climate change is caused, mostly, by the change of the earth's axis and the gradual switching of the magnetic poles.
I do not believe it is man made, nor a problem with CO2 or methane. Net Zero is a farce and ponzi scheme.
Use your manual map skills and figure how much the axis has shifted in declination since you were born. It is not insignificant when extrapolated over thousands of years.
I do not believe a damn thing espoused by gore, trudeau, kerry, biden, macron, et al. WHO, WEF or the UN. They are politicians and carpetbaggers. Money grubbing alarmists and control freaks. Being used to disrupt industry, agriculture, governments and people's lives and earnings, while its apostles get richer and more politically powerful.
That, to me anyway, is the real Inconvenient Truth.
I believe climate change is caused, mostly, by the change of the earth's axis and the gradual switching of the magnetic poles.
I do not believe it is man made, nor a problem with CO2 or methane. Net Zero is a farce and ponzi scheme.
Use your manual map skills and figure how much the axis has shifted in declination since you were born. It is not insignificant when extrapolated over thousands of years.
I do not believe a damn thing espoused by gore, trudeau, kerry, biden, macron, et al. WHO, WEF or the UN. They are politicians and carpetbaggers. Money grubbing alarmists and control freaks. Being used to disrupt industry, agriculture, governments and people's lives and earnings, while its apostles get richer and more politically powerful.
That, to me anyway, is the real Inconvenient Truth.
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I tend to believe in both -- the degree of manmade change is, I believe overblown, but not nonexistent.
Sadly there doesn't seem to be a lot of middle room for some attempts are reducing our impact, without acting like buffoons.
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The axis of rotation precesses, but that's separate from alignment of the magnetic poles.
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No arguement. However they compliment each other.
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But in the House of Representatives you have got 2 years to save the world. Up here we give them 4. 5 if they behave themselves.
Meanwhile, industry, plods along constantly reinventing itself to suit the situation.
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Further to my previous "Reheating the Global Warming Debate"
One thing it took me a while to understand is that when looking at the maps of historic ice cover it is easy to imagine that the terrain outside of the ice looked as it does today when in fact the influence of the ice and cold temperatures changed everything around the ice.
The lands immediately adjacent would have looked like the barren lands and northern Quebec. New York for example.
Land further south, like the Carolinas and the Eastern slopes would have seen more ponds and lakes and marshes, perhaps like the Hudson Lowlands. Modern deserts like the Mojave and Arizona would have been green, fed by rivers like the Saskatchewan and the MacKenzie, rivers that were fed by glaciers the size of the Columbia Ice Field in the Sierra Nevadas creating great hunting, fishing and farming opportunities.
Florida would have been less tropical and more temperate.
One thing it took me a while to understand is that when looking at the maps of historic ice cover it is easy to imagine that the terrain outside of the ice looked as it does today when in fact the influence of the ice and cold temperatures changed everything around the ice.
The lands immediately adjacent would have looked like the barren lands and northern Quebec. New York for example.
Land further south, like the Carolinas and the Eastern slopes would have seen more ponds and lakes and marshes, perhaps like the Hudson Lowlands. Modern deserts like the Mojave and Arizona would have been green, fed by rivers like the Saskatchewan and the MacKenzie, rivers that were fed by glaciers the size of the Columbia Ice Field in the Sierra Nevadas creating great hunting, fishing and farming opportunities.
Florida would have been less tropical and more temperate.
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