A surveillance AC that can drop nasty things on other nasty things. Which make them go "boom".The CP-140M Aurora is still referred to as a “surveillance aircraft”. Sometimes “spy plane” if the article is trying to be spicy
breakingdefense.com
I like that the KS-111 comes with a VLS system as standard.I'll be surprised if we pull the trigger but there is certainly lots of chatter and the recent P8/MRTT/AEW suggest that there is some hope. People??
Canada weighing international ‘collaboration’ on future subs - Breaking Defense
Canadian Defence Minister Bill Blair said his German counterpart approached him about joining the German-Norwegian submarine package.
I still think the SK offer is probably the best from a timing pov at least, Id also be surprised if we got 8
i think nuclear is a non starter but i also dont think we have the time left on the Victorias to wait for nuke boats
The famously coastal city of Edmonton had subs.
Well we are selling the whole Virginia class boats to Australia as a win for the USN as its a boat we don’t need to crew, so I’m somewhat confident if the GoC wanted to join AUKUS it would be met with enthusiasm.
Canada has significantly worse transit times, and a more significant under ice issue than Oz.
im sure we could join AUKUS, but i doubt the will is there. When would we get the first sub? Australia gets their first Virginia's in what 2032-2035? I doubt we can go that long and we going to be after that priority wise
i think they are going to be allergic to the cost too. Plus i dont think we can avoid buying a interim SSK even if we went SSN long term unless we get some kind of crew sharing cooperative relationship with the US and AUS
Would the french sell us Barracudas and are they a decent boat? They don't seem to have the backlog that the UK and US have but I speak as a complete landlubber
There’s usually a reason why something doesn’t have a backlog when others do.
Yup, and it doesn’t have US weapons or CMS (LocMart Canada is still American at the end of the day)
thats always been an intriguing option would have been more of one if the Aussies made it work. Could they deliver? I think they are like the UK and set up to just barely build their own switching from attack to boomers and back again
The Aussies wanted an SSN. The French were going to convert a diesel-electric sub to a nuclear one.
they wanted a SSN performance from a SSK. Is it on record that the French wouldnt sell them a nuke boat? I find that hard to believe especially when they have been very involved in Brazils. More likely that there were just cultural/relationship issues that both were at fault for
Nuclear powered submarines are entirely a non-starter for Canada, no political party now or in the future is likely to sign us up for such a program due to the potential fallout. In order to properly set up the required infrastructure, knowledge base and actually procure the submarines, you are looking at program costs which would easily shoot past the PBO's $80 billion and climbing CSC program figure alongside likely decades to get everything rolling. Going from operating a handful of Cold War vintage SSK's to a fleet of SSN's is a leap that I find hard to eloquently put into words. Canada has tried twice in the past to procure SSN's and it has been canceled both times due to feasibility and costs. People think the CF-35 or CSC procurement is bad? An SSN procurement in the hands of the Canadian govt would be a disaster of astronomical proportions.
You've got that backward. The French Barracuda-Class is a SSN. The Shortfin Barracuda they were building for Australia was a conventional variant. The Aussies dropped that in order to switch to the AUKUS program in order to get SSNs. There were obviously issues that Australia had with the French team but possibly a simpler solution for them would have been simple to go for the original French Barracuda SSN (if the French were willing to offer that)
Yes - my mistake
