Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

[Navy_Pete]

@dimsum Me too, had to look her up! It's Marie France Lalonde.

Marie-France Lalonde - Member of Parliament - Members of Parliament - House of Commons of Canada

No idea what the monte carlo simulation is based on, but I'd be surprised if she doesn't take 50%+ of the vote or more again. The don't even run serious candidates in other parties in this riding.

Party affiliation aside, she seems pretty smart and capable, so I wouldn't mind her as MP, regardless of which party she was from.

The only non-Liberal MP here was Royal Galipeau, who was very Franco, but lost to Andrew Leslie. It's a very Franco and Liberal area, so I think you need at least one of the two, and she is both.

The last Con candidate was a bit of a bible thumper, and was some MPs employee, so seemed like a token candidate against a safe MP. I can't see it being any different this time.

 

[Good2Golf]

Party affiliation aside, she seems pretty smart and capable, so I wouldn't mind her as MP, regardless of which party she was from.

Out of interest, have you spoken to her in person?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Lets have an election and find all this out!

 

[Quirky]

Lets have an election and find all this out!

Election = Conservative games, according to the NDP.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Out of interest, have you spoken to her in person?

Fairly briefly when she was an MPP, and also when she did some door to doors, but not in her actual MP role. She seems to be some kind of Defence secretary, which I'm not sure if its a new position, but my general impressions were positive way back when.

I keep a pretty open mind, and would happily vote for alternates but the candidates from other parties in the elections that I met didn't leave even a slightly positive impression, and I think I'd rather have a potted plant in some cases, as they'd at least be making some fresh O2 as long as you watered them.

 

[Good2Golf]

Fairly briefly when she was an MPP, and also when she did some door to doors, but not in her actual MP role. She seems to be some kind of Defence secretary, which I'm not sure if its a new position, but my general impressions were positive way back when.

I keep a pretty open mind, and would happily vote for alternates but the candidates from other parties in the elections that I met didn't leave even a slightly positive impression, and I think I'd rather have a potted plant in some cases, as they'd at least be making some fresh O2 as long as you watered them.

Yes, Parliamentary Secretary to MND.

IMO, she has underwhelmed (significantly) in the Defence portfolio…Bill Blair notwithstanding. If she’s the best the Liberals can do to augment Blair, then I’d be okay with a local potted plant, if the owner of the greenhouse knew what they were doing.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Yes, Parliamentary Secretary to MND.

IMO, she has underwhelmed (significantly) in the Defence portfolio…Bill Blair notwithstanding. If she’s the best the Liberals can do to augment Blair, then I’d be okay with a local potted plant, if the owner of the greenhouse knew what they were doing.

That's fair, and I wouldn't be sad if she was replaced, but like I said, she ticks the local boxes, and the other candidates are pretty shit. She hasn't done anything wrong that made the news, and Canadians don't actually care about Defence (although I think politically after seeing Anand get shunted probably a bit of a chill in trying to do what's right for the portfolio vice what the Party wants).

If competence was a requirement Cheryl Gallant and others would never have gotten in.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Yes, Parliamentary Secretary to MND.

IMO, she has underwhelmed (significantly) in the Defence portfolio…Bill Blair notwithstanding. If she’s the best the Liberals can do to augment Blair, then I’d be okay with a local potted plant, if the owner of the greenhouse knew what they were doing.

Wow.

 

[Good2Golf]

If competence was a requirement Cheryl Gallant and others would never have gotten in.

You just helped raise Marie-France Lalonde a little bit in my eyes…

 

[Navy_Pete]

You just helped raise Marie-France Lalonde a little bit in my eyes…

I remember years ago having to read the Hansard to try and figure out WTAF the question we got from the MPs was, and got to read about one of the people from a shipyard explaining to the honourable member from Pet that Canada has a Navy. This was on some kind of defence committee she was part of for years AND WE HAD PROVIDED A PREBRIEF ON THE NSS FOR (pulls hair). The question didn't make sense because they not only knew nothing, they made some assumptions that were completely off base, so we had to provide a backgrounder (which shoudl have included crayons and a colouring page FFS)

At that point I realized there is a reason the pre-briefs are written at the 7 year old level, because the bar for getting elected is pretty much breathing and nominated by the party. I didn't completely lose hope for democracy, but lowered my expectations and reinforced why a competent civil service is critical.

 

[OldSolduer]

then I’d be okay with a local potted plant, if the owner of the greenhouse knew what they were doing.

When do I start? I don't need a lot of water (coffee will do) and I am damn sure I am confident I am at least as smart as a potted plant.

 

[daftandbarmy]

At that point I realized there is a reason the pre-briefs are written at the 7 year old level, because the bar for getting elected is pretty much breathing and nominated by the party. I didn't completely lose hope for democracy, but lowered my expectations and reinforced why a competent civil service is critical.

These days it's more important to have a compliant civil service, apparently

 

[dimsum]

I remember years ago having to read the Hansard to try and figure out WTAF the question we got from the MPs was, and got to read about one of the people from a shipyard explaining to the honourable member from Pet that Canada has a Navy. This was on some kind of defence committee she was part of for years AND WE HAD PROVIDED A PREBRIEF ON THE NSS FOR (pulls hair). The question didn't make sense because they not only knew nothing, they made some assumptions that were completely off base, so we had to provide a backgrounder (which shoudl have included crayons and a colouring page FFS)

At that point I realized there is a reason the pre-briefs are written at the 7 year old level, because the bar for getting elected is pretty much breathing and nominated by the party. I didn't completely lose hope for democracy, but lowered my expectations and reinforced why a competent civil service is critical.

As I remembered from a course, “remember - you’re writing for the Saskatchewan pig farmer who got elected”.

Not that SK pig farmers are necessarily dumb, but they may have very little background info for that portfolio and essentially going in blind.

 

[Rifleman62]

These days it's more important to have a bloated, compliant, incompetent, "I know nothing" civil service, apparently.

 

[Kirkhill]

I remember years ago having to read the Hansard to try and figure out WTAF the question we got from the MPs was, and got to read about one of the people from a shipyard explaining to the honourable member from Pet that Canada has a Navy. This was on some kind of defence committee she was part of for years AND WE HAD PROVIDED A PREBRIEF ON THE NSS FOR (pulls hair). The question didn't make sense because they not only knew nothing, they made some assumptions that were completely off base, so we had to provide a backgrounder (which shoudl have included crayons and a colouring page FFS)

At that point I realized there is a reason the pre-briefs are written at the 7 year old level, because the bar for getting elected is pretty much breathing and nominated by the party. I didn't completely lose hope for democracy, but lowered my expectations and reinforced why a competent civil service is critical.

The civil service is only useful if they don't believe themselves to be competent.

I would never vote for anyone that called themself a hero, or The Architect, or an intellectual. I want people that are looking for the truth. Not people that have found the truth.

 

[Good2Golf]

Trudeau’s staff draft him a memo to let him gaslight America, with a totally tone-deaf ‘Canada doesn’t have a deficit-debt issue, it’s America with the problem…’ take on things.

Memo sent to Justin Trudeau warns that America’s massive debt and deficit could cause problems in Canada

The U.S. government is set to run a nearly $2 trillion deficit this year and will end this calendar year with more than $28 trillion in debt.

www.thestar.com

 

[The Bread Guy]

... I want people that are looking for the truth. Not people that have found the truth.

Or as much of the truth as any particular party leader (don't matter what colour jersey) wants them to find out about - or talk out loud about.

Trudeau’s staff draft him a memo to let him gaslight America, with a totally tone-deaf ‘Canada doesn’t have a deficit-debt issue, it’s America with the problem…’ take on things.

Memo sent to Justin Trudeau warns that America’s massive debt and deficit could cause problems in Canada

The U.S. government is set to run a nearly $2 trillion deficit this year and will end this calendar year with more than $28 trillion in debt.

www.thestar.com

And in case you can't get through the original link, try here.

 

[FSTO]

Not that SK pig farmers are necessarily dumb,

Good save Dimsum.

 

[dimsum]

Good save Dimsum.

Not a save - that entire comment was the instructor’s point.

They’re getting firehosed with stuff that’s not in their usual lane of expertise. Make it as easy as possible for them to understand what they need to understand.

Said “pig farmer from SK” would probably know a ton more about the intricacies of animal husbandry than I would. If they had to get me up to speed, they’d have to do the same thing.

 

[FSTO]

Not a save - that entire comment was the instructor’s point.

They’re getting firehosed with stuff that’s not in their usual lane of expertise. Make it as easy as possible for them to understand what they need to understand.

Said “pig farmer from SK” would probably know a ton more about the intricacies of animal husbandry than I would. If they had to get me up to speed, they’d have to do the same thing.

I was being pretty flippant i admit.

I was at a dinner party where one of the guests was an economist for the PBO. He was able to explain many things about finance that even an out of date MARS guy like me could understand.