Thinking about joining the Air Force

[matt220]

Hey everyone, for the past year or so I've really been thinking hard about joining the Air-Force and I would appreciate some input. I figured it would be good to ask here 8)

Background:
I'm 19 and in my first year of University at U of T studying computer science, this first year has been a real eye opener for me in rethinking what I would like to do with my life. I've realized University is not for me, I hate it here and would rather be doing practical hands on work instead of being stuck behind a desk.

So I've been running through my options and the best I have come up with is either trying to get an apprenticeship in the trades, joining the air force, or some other less desirable options. If I were to drop out of University and join the air force, my most desired position would be to work towards becoming a pilot, although that's probably a long shot. Jobs as a technician would be my second choice, which is probably more realistic than a pilot (since apparently you have to be pretty damn lucky to become a pilot).

One thing I want to know is how flexible full time military work really is. Will I have to relocate permanently to a remote air force base somewhere in Canada (I live in Toronto now)? Or does it work something like a couple months on at a base, and one month off? The reason I'm asking this is because I would also like to use some of my free time running a small mainly-online business and I am not sure if I would be able to do so at a remote air force base. I want to know if I'll have the ability to pursue other aspirations in life if I join.

Another question I have is for the pilots here (if there are any that read this) since becoming a pilot would be my most desired choice, how to I get on the right track to becoming a pilot in the Canadian Air Force? I do not have a pilots licence, and do not intend on getting a bachelors degree if I join the air force. What I do have is the skills and abilities needed of a prospected pilot (from what I've found out so far), I just need to learn how (which obviously the military does train possible pilots).

Thank you for reading!

 

[aesop081]

my most desired position would be to work towards becoming a pilot,

In which case, you will still have to do university. Don't want to do university = don't ask to be a pilot.

Will I have to relocate permanently to a remote air force base somewhere in Canada (I live in Toronto now)?

Yes and every few years, you will be told to reloacte to another one.

Or does it work something like a couple months on at a base, and one month off?

No.

I want to know if I'll have the ability to pursue other aspirations in life if I join.

We're not a prison.........

I do not have a pilots licence,

We're not asking for one.

and do not intend on getting a bachelors degree

You will not be a pilot.

What I do have is the skills and abilities needed of a prospected pilot

You will not be a pilot. Pilots are officers and being an officer requires a degree. You can either finish school as a civvie or do university while in the military. Either way, you have to do a university degree.

 

[RangerRay]

You may want to join the Air Reserve.  However, the closest air reserve flight is over 2 hours away in Trenton.

If you are in the Reg Force, you will go where they tell you to go.  And you won't get shifts like working on the oil rigs (two months on, one month off).  Most likely, you will be at each posting for several years.

 

[SentryMAn]

From what you've posted.
You best bet is to apply to be a Technician(AVS/AVN).  Officers require Degrees for DEO, Pilots are Officers.

CdnAviator:
Always <3 your posts!

 

[aesop081]

You best bet is to apply to be a Technician(AVS/AVN).

.......ACS, AWS............

 

[kratz]

You may want to join the Air Reserve.  However, the closest air reserve flight is over 2 hours away in Trenton.

400 Squadron is in Borden, an hour from the GTA, slightly closer than Trenton.

 

[SentryMAn]

.......ACS, AWS............

did they change the terms?  They were always known as AVS tech and AVN tech
Aviation systems Tech
Avionics systems Tech

 

[aesop081]

did they change the terms?  They were always known as AVS tech and AVN tech
Aviation systems Tech
Avionics systems Tech

Yeah, i know.

But there is also Aircraft structures tech and Air weapons systems tech.......

There's more than just AVN and AVS as far as aircraft techs are concerned.

But thanks for the RCAF lesson though...i thought i had it covered until now.

 

[Melbatoast]

Another question I have is for the pilots here (if there are any that read this) since becoming a pilot would be my most desired choice, how to I get on the right track to becoming a pilot in the Canadian Air Force?

It's been said already but as this is the main point of your post: finish university.  There is to entry plan available to you that does not require a degree.

 

[Good2Golf]

If you not enjoying studying (the process of learning the fundamentals of a particular field), then you will not want to be a pilot in the RCAF.  The studying I did during flight training was far more demanding and fast-paced then anything I did during my BSc studies (which, BTW was a combined major in Computer Science and Physics, so I'm pretty sure I have a good idea what you're going through academically at the moment).

As others have noted, life in the CF/RCAF is a full-time career so you shouldn't be thinking about how to ensure that you have enough time off to run a business on the side.  Some folks do that years (or decades) into their career, but you're pretty far away from that at this point.  Unlike the Army where service within the Primary Reserves (Militia, etc...) can commence pretty much from totally untrained/skill-less, the RCAF Primary Reserve is based primarily on the component transfer of previously serving RCAF operators or maintainers already trained in a particular skill set.

There is a lot of discussion regarding how to prepare for future service as a pilot in this and the Air Force general sub-forum, so a bit of looking around will help you get a better feel for things.


Regards
G2G

 

[SentryMAn]

Yeah, i know.

But there is also Aircraft structures tech and Air weapons systems tech.......

There's more than just AVN and AVS as far as aircraft techs are concerned.

But thanks for the RCAF lesson though...i thought i had it covered until now.

I misread what you originally posted, I read it as you correcting what I put.
I was really asking the question honestly, hard to infer connotation across the internet.

I apologize if it was taken the wrong way as it wasn't my intention to seem condescending towards your post.

 

[Loachman]

If I were to drop out of University and join the air force, my most desired position would be to work towards becoming a pilot, although that's probably a long shot.

It used to be that one out of every eight hundred applicants made it through to Wings Grad. I have no idea if that number is the same now, but it probably has not changed significantly.

Yes, that's a long shot, but dropping out of university makes it longer by an order of infinity times a bazillion.

apparently you have to be pretty damn lucky to become a pilot

Luck can help, or not. Having a university degree is far more valuable. Applying helps. Natural skills are useful. Drive, motivation, determination, persistence, and the ability to work harder than you thought possible are the most important.

One thing I want to know is how flexible full time military work really is.

Very flexible. It changes all of the time, often with little or no notice.

You need to be even more flexible.

Will I have to relocate permanently to a remote air force base somewhere in Canada (I live in Toronto now)?

Yes. You will have to move out of Toronto into the remote areas that constitute the Rest of Canada.

Some bases (and not necessarily air, as some Tac Hel Squadrons are on Army bases) are close to other cities. Yes, there are some other cities out there. Really.

The reason I'm asking this is because I would also like to use some of my free time

Don't count on having a lot of that, especially in your first few years. Expect to be away from home ("Home" is where your kit is) a lot.

how to I get on the right track to becoming a pilot in the Canadian Air Force?

Finish university.

Apply.

Work bloody hard.

What I do have is the skills and abilities needed of a prospected pilot

Maybe. Maybe not.

 

[AGD]

I'm 19 and in my first year of University at U of T studying computer science, this first year has been a real eye opener for me in rethinking what I would like to do with my life. I've realized University is not for me, I hate it here

Yep, I've been there! I tell people all the time that my worst day working still trumps my best day at school. But it was all worth it in the end when I got my degree. You miss out on a lot of opportunities without that expensive piece of paper.

Maybe it's computer science that isn't for you, not university in general. Consider switching your major or taking on a lighter course load.

and would rather be doing practical hands on work instead of being stuck behind a desk.

You might want to rethink pilot then...judging by what I have read on this forum, one can spend quite a lot of time piloting a desk in the Canadian Forces.

 

[dimsum]

As a born-and-raised Torontonian, it took the Navy (then the RCAF) to show me that there are nicer cities than Toronto in Canada (Victoria, Montreal, Quebec City and Vancouver come to mind.)  Now, besides seeing family and friends, I have no desire to go back to TO. 

If staying in TO or a city of comparable size is your goal, then the military isn't for you.

 

[aesop081]

then the military isn't for you.

You have expended your quota of allowed responses. You get more once posted back to Canada........bastard.

 

[Loachman]

one can spend quite a lot of time piloting a desk in the Canadian Forces.

Yes.

Dammit.

Dammit.

Dammit.

Dammit.

Dammit.

Dammit.

Dammit.

Dammit.

 

[aesop081]

Dammit.

Indeed.

 

[Melbatoast]

Here's how to become a pilot after dropping out of university:

1. Enroll as an NCM. 
2. Work very, very hard in a relatively unsatisfying, extreme job environment. 
3. Be the best in your trade year after year, and put on a happy face 24/7 (this is called internalizing your extrinsic motivation, I learned that in university...). 
4. Repeatedly apply via an in-service commissioning plan, for one of the 3 to 5 open pilot slots. 
5. Get turned down multiple times, for reasons that will not be explained to you. 
6. Finally get accepted after 9 years of service as an NCM.
7. Be sent to a university to finish the degree you should have completed the first time.
8. Pilot training.

I think you get the picture.  :2c:

 

[aesop081]

Here's how to become a pilot after dropping out of university:

1. Enroll as an NCM. 
2. Work very, very hard in a relatively unsatisfying, extreme job environment. 
3. Be the best in your trade year after year, and put on a happy face 24/7 (this is called internalizing your extrinsic motivation, I learned that in university...). 
4. Repeatedly apply via an in-service commissioning plan, for one of the 3 to 5 open pilot slots. 
5. Get turned down multiple times, for reasons that will not be explained to you. 
6. Finally get accepted after 9 years of service as an NCM.
7. Be sent to a university to finish the degree you should have completed the first time.
8. Pilot training.

9. Fail pilot training. Become ACSO.

 

[Melbatoast]

9. Fail pilot training. Become ACSO.

Unless one has, theoretically, already failed the ACSO test...