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We can start a new Ukraine thread here and, if Mike can undo my faux pas, I can merge them back together.
Thanks,
Bruce
Thanks,
Bruce
The War in Ukraine
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daftandbarmy
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Time to repopulate the earth ...
www.theglobeandmail.com
First question -
Who did the government pay $400,000,000? The US, Raytheon or Kongsberg?
And if the contracting party is in default of its obligations then why not switch to an alternative supplier?
Second question -
Where are we with respect to shipping those CRV-7 rockets from Dundurn?
Zelensky acknowledges Ukraine is losing ground as Russian invasion enters third year, Western support slows
He says 31,000 Ukrainian soldiers had been killed in action over the first two years of the war, the first time that figure has been made public
www.theglobeandmail.com
First question -
Who did the government pay $400,000,000? The US, Raytheon or Kongsberg?
And if the contracting party is in default of its obligations then why not switch to an alternative supplier?
Second question -
Where are we with respect to shipping those CRV-7 rockets from Dundurn?
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Follow the money. Considering the shenanigans of this governments procurement processes, I wouldn't be surprised if there was no contract.
Blair is a liar. He can't be trusted to tell the truth. Everything he says is suspect.
Blair is a liar. He can't be trusted to tell the truth. Everything he says is suspect.
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Most of what any politician says is suspect. Even ones I like.
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The "Get Out Of Jail Free" Card.
“Events, Dear Boy”: managing incidents before they become crises
Which brings us to our trust in them and our experience of them.
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Third question -
Is a U.S. approval (or, specifically, lack thereof) for the sale holding things up?
Enquiring minds want to know ...
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1. The issue is the lead time for NASAMS is 18 months right now due to the volume of orders.Time to repopulate the earth ...
Zelensky acknowledges Ukraine is losing ground as Russian invasion enters third year, Western support slows
He says 31,000 Ukrainian soldiers had been killed in action over the first two years of the war, the first time that figure has been made public
First question -
Who did the government pay $400,000,000? The US, Raytheon or Kongsberg?
And if the contracting party is in default of its obligations then why not switch to an alternative supplier?
Second question -
Where are we with respect to shipping those CRV-7 rockets from Dundurn?
2.last I heard they were being checked to even see if it was safe to do so. Ukraine says they will assume the risk but we still gotta transport then to an airport and then to Europe
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Thanks for both of those.
The lead time issue I totally believe. How easy would it be to say that?
Having said that, the system consists of an assortment of missiles as well as "infrastructure" (launchers, radars, fire direction centres and transport).
Would it be a bad bet to suggest that while the "infrastructure" would come in handy the real issue is missiles to put in their existing "infrastructure"?
As to the CRV-7s
Sample size and degree of acceptable risk? Testing procedures? Qualified personnel? What's up?
Those could be being used immediately to take down drones or to shell Russian trenches.
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Have the house sit in Eastern Ukraine to focus their minds...
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Further to the NASAMS question.
I stumbled over this:
missiledefenseadvocacy.org
*Based on an avg. 300 rounds per interception at $27 a round
The three primary/only NASAMS rounds are the ESSM, the AIM-120 and the AIM-9 and range in price from 1 to 2 MUSD apiece.
400 MCAD, or 300 MUSD would buy Ukraine 200 interceptions.
The Russians are sending that many targets in a single night.
I stumbled over this:
Missile Interceptors by Cost – Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance
missiledefenseadvocacy.org
| Next Generation Interceptor (NGI) | $111,000,000 |
| Ground Based Interceptor (GBI) | $70,000,000 |
| Standard Missile 3 (SM-3) Block IIA | $27,915,625 |
| Standard Missile 3 (SM-3) Block IB | $9,698,617 |
| Standard Missile 6 (SM-6) | $3,901,818 |
| Patriot PAC-3 | $3,729,769 |
| Arrow 3 | $62,000,000 |
| Standard Missile 2 (SM-2) Block IV | $2,100,000 |
| Aster 30 (SAMP-T) | $2,000,000 |
| Meteor BVRAAM | $2,398,000 |
| Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) | $2,031,875 |
| NASAM AMRAAM 120 | $996,736 |
| Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) | $921,310 |
| 48N6 (S-300) | $1,000,000 |
| BARAK-8 | $553,435 |
| IRIS-T | $450,000 |
| NASAM AIM-9X | $1,181,018 |
| Mistral M3 | $545,600 |
| Aspide Mk1/Mk2 | $100,000 |
| Stinger Missile/MANPADS | $480,000 |
| VAMPIRE Missile/MANPADS | $1,400,000 |
| Tamir (Iron Dome) | $20,000-100,000 |
| *C-RAM | $8,100 |
| Directed Energy (Iron Beam) | $3.50 |
The three primary/only NASAMS rounds are the ESSM, the AIM-120 and the AIM-9 and range in price from 1 to 2 MUSD apiece.
400 MCAD, or 300 MUSD would buy Ukraine 200 interceptions.
The Russians are sending that many targets in a single night.
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Feel free to correct the record.
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Changed the title as the old "Ukraine" thread is unrecoverable.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Bruce
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Bruce
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You must sacrifice one pinball machine to appease the IT gods!
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Getting this thread started off. Seems there will be no shortages of R37. Not sure if I agree with the Prof that the Russian use of Glide bombs against fixed defences was not a major factor in the collapse of Ukrainian defences.
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I like the paint and trim on this thread, better…
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Nice backgrounder right here ....
www.nytimes.com
Archived link here if you can't get through on the original link.
The Spy War: How the C.I.A. Secretly Helps Ukraine Fight Putin
For more than a decade, the United States has nurtured a secret intelligence partnership with Ukraine that is now critical for both countries in countering Russia.
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