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The Chinese are coming!

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The Chinese are coming! The Chinese are coming!  Oh! Wait!  They are already here.

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Article found July 10, 2012

Jaffer sought satellite secrets: document
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Ottawa Citizen

Request made after trip to China, investigator says


Former Conservative MP Rahim Jaffer sought secret information about Canadian military satellite technology after meeting with state-owned Chinese technology companies in China in 2010, according to a document filed in an Ottawa courthouse Tuesday by private investigator Derrick Snowdy.

Snowdy is being sued by Jaffer's wife, Helena Guergis, for defamation, along with Prime Minister Stephen Harper, the Conservative Party of Canada and a number of senior officials who were involved with the expulsion of Guergis from the Conservative caucus in April 2010 in the "busty hookers" scandal.

Guergis resigned from cabinet and was expelled from the Conservative caucus the day after the Toronto Star reported that Jaffer and business associates had partied with escorts at a pricey Toronto restaurant on the night that Jaffer was charged with cocaine possession.

On Wednesday, lawyers for Harper and Guy Giorno, his former chief of staff, will argue that Guergis's lawsuit ought to be thrown out of court.

Snowdy's statement of defence casts light on a February 2010 trip to China that Jaffer made with Hai Shiene Chen, a ChineseCanadian businessman.

Chen "had many connections and ties to state-owned technology companies in the People's Republic of China and that had been anxious to befriend Jaffer and Guergis according to email exchanges," Snowdy writes in the statement of defence.

During the trip, Snowdy writes, Jaffer "was hosted and socialized by Chen's associates representing state-owned technology companies."

On his return, Jaffer wrote to David Pierce, then the director of parliamentary affairs to then industry minister Tony Clement, with de-tailed questions about the Canadian government's "long-term space policy" regarding Radarsat Constellation, a high-technology earth-observation satellite being developed by MacDonald Dettwiler and Associates with more than $500 million in federal funding.

On March 16, 2010, Jaffer, using an email address be-longing to Guergis's MP ac-count, wrote that he had "a few questions on behalf of some constituents who are friends of Helena and I."

He then asks, in the email, about the government's plans for the satellite program, including its sensitive "automatic identification system," a military system used to identify vessels in Canadian waters.

"I know these are very technical questions and I have pretty much copied and pasted their request directly to you," Jaffer wrote in the email to Pierce.

In a letter to ethics commissioner Mary Dawson on April 16, 2010, after Guergis left the government, Pierce wrote that he also spoke to Jaffer on March 17, but did not pass on any information about Canada's space program.

In his statement of defence, Snowdy writes that he "under-stood that Guergis had used her office to assist or procure Jaffer's visa to enter China," and suggests that Jaffer may have travelled on the diplomatic passport he received as a spouse of a cabinet minister.

The Globe and Mail has re-ported that Jaffer claimed to have lost that passport when he was asked to return it following his wife's departure from cabinet.

In an interview Tuesday, Snowdy said that he had spoken to "police and intelligence agencies with respect to a number of Mr. Jaffer's business interests and contacts," but declined to be more specific.

Snowdy, who initially came into contact with Jaffer in the course of an investigation in-to accused fraudster Nazim Gillani, Jaffer's former business partner, said he became aware of Jaffer's business contacts in China because Jaffer and Gillani were seeking investors.

"There were firms related to technology, aerospace and computer software and engineering," Snowdy said. "There was a small list circulated among people who were being solicited to sponsor Jaffer's diplomatic mission to China."

Former CSIS agent David Harris, said Tuesday that it would be interesting to know which "constituents" Jaffer was inquiring for.

"In light of the travel to China and the sensitivity of the technology involved, it would be very helpful for Mr. Jaffer to help Canadians to under-stand the complete back-ground, including contacts made and any technology that might have been sought, as well as the specific individuals and interests that could have prompted his inquiry."

In June 2010, CSIS director Richard Fadden warned that China was attempting to influence Canadian politicians, and former CSIS agents have publicly warned that the communist government's agents are engaged in an ongoing, multi-faceted intelligence operations in Canada, driven by interest in Canadian technology and resources.

Harris said that CSIS, Canadian military intelligence and allied intelligence agencies were likely interested in Jaffer's inquiry about Radarsat-2.

"This would be a matter of extreme interest, it would seem to me, to any self-respecting security service," Harris said.

Contacted by telephone Tuesday, Jaffer declined to comment on the allegations in Snowdy's statement of de-fence. Chen could not be reached for comment.

smaher@postmedia.com

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As i posted in another thread where this "news" was brought up:

AIS is not secret. It is not a military system. It's akin to airplane transponders and is carrier by merchant ships the world over, it's use is mandated by the IMO. Every swinging joe sailing on a certain size commercial vessel has one, and the receiver to identify and display information about all the other AIS-equiped vessels around him.


Super secret eh ?

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/

I doubt the Chinese are too worried about the "sensitive" AIS since all their merchant vessels meeting the criteria have it on-board.
 
CDN Aviator said:
As i posted in another thread where this "news" was brought up:

I doubt the Chinese are too worried about the "sensitive" AIS since all their merchant vessels meeting the criteria have it on-board.

So? This means that you, like the majority of Canadians, see no nefarious goings on here?  OK.  Where do we start? 

Not only the Canadian military, but Canadian Industry, and Canadian entrepreneurs have been duped by Chinese practices of reverse engineering.  Canadian businesses have seen their patents lost when Chinese manufacturers have reverse engineered their patents and sold the new product at cut throat prices.  Chinese espionage, does not always have to be against the military.  It is more often against our manufacturing and industry.  But you have no fear of them having ulterior motives.
 
George Wallace said:
So? This means that you, like the majority of Canadians, see no nefarious goings on here?  OK.  Where do we start? 

Not only the Canadian military, but Canadian Industry, and Canadian entrepreneurs have been duped by Chinese practices of reverse engineering.  Canadian businesses have seen their patents lost when Chinese manufacturers have reverse engineered their patents and sold the new product at cut throat prices.  Chinese espionage, does not always have to be against the military.  It is more often against our manufacturing and industry.  But you have no fear of them having ulterior motives.


Which is, precisely, what was done to us, from the 1850s (earlier?) through to, at least, the 1990s, by the Americans, and from the 1950s through to today by the French, amongst others. I agree the Chinese are doing, too, by why are they a special case? Skin colour?
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Which is, precisely, what was done to us, from the 1850s (earlier?) through to, at least, the 1990s, by the Americans, and from the 1950s through to today by the French, amongst others. I agree the Chinese are doing, too, by why are they a special case? Skin colour?

No E.R.  Unlike our known allies who are known to be spying on us, the Chinese are still under that "Communist enemy" umbrella and spying on us in much larger numbers.
 
"In China’s biggest overseas energy deal, oil giant CNOOC buying Canada’s Nexen for $15.1B"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/chinas-cnooc-agrees-to-buy-canadas-nexen-for-151-billion/2012/07/23/gJQAYbtu3W_story.html

Mark
Ottawa
 
George Wallace said:
No E.R.  Unlike our known allies who are known to be spying on us, the Chinese are still under that "Communist enemy" umbrella and spying on us in much larger numbers.


The only people who think believe (as one believes in the tooth fairy) that the CCP is a "communist" party are those who have completely failed to look at China with anything like a clear eye. The CCP is many things, not many of them "good," but "communist" isn't one of them. Deng Xiaping explained it to the Chinese and the world in 1978 - but maybe the Canadian Int community didn't get the memo.

The Chinese are neither communist nor our enemy.
 
George Wallace said:
No E.R.  Unlike our known allies who are known to be spying on us, the Chinese are still under that "Communist enemy" umbrella and spying on us in much larger numbers.

The 80s called, they want their paranoia back.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
The Chinese are neither communist nor our enemy.

While not communist in the pure sense, their espionage systems commercial and military are alive and well......

as for enemy, I would tender that they are more of an economical competitor ......a fierce economical competitor....
 
GAP said:
While not communist in the pure sense, their espionage systems commercial and military are alive and well...... Yes, indeed they are ... but that makes the Chinese "normal," just like e.g the USA and India.

as for enemy, I would tender that they are more of an economical competitor ......a fierce economical competitor....  Absolutely!
 
George Wallace said:
Laugh all you want.

I will.  My dad spends a good part of the year, and does a lot of business, in the 'communist enemy umbrella' and would agree with the assertions made by others here that you are making something of nothing.
 
As I have said in the past and will continue to say; Canadians have no real sense of what "Security" means, and as a kid growing up on all types of military bases I have witnessed first hand how lax we are.  Your comments just add to this.  It has nothing to do about paranoia.  It does have to do with the fact that we have very little in the way of security in this country.  Personnel; corporate; military; political; and any other you may want to name.  Canadians and Security is a joke. 

I really don't give a damn where you dad does business or where anyone wants to vacation.  Security on the other hand is a different matter.  If you want to make a joke of it, well, that only reflects on you. 
 
Sure, I'm fine with that reflection.  As to Canadian security, is it lax or is it commiserate with the threat?  If it makes you feel better, I shred my mail, so that should stave off the 8th Route Army for a few more weeks....
 
I might be wrong, but I think the concern isn't so much that they're reverse engineering our stuff, as it happens all the time from countries we consider allies.. And I am sure we do it to them too.. But the fact that the Chinese are vastly undercutting the businesses that invested in the R&D for these items.. And soon, these items will only be manufactured there, as we can't compete with the prices.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
The only people who think believe (as one believes in the tooth fairy) that the CCP is a "communist" party are those who have completely failed to look at China with anything like a clear eye. The CCP is many things, not many of them "good," but "communist" isn't one of them. Deng Xiaping explained it to the Chinese and the world in 1978 - but maybe the Canadian Int community didn't get the memo.

The Chinese are neither communist nor our enemy.
:goodpost:
Indeed. One would have to  be quite immersed in a vision of some antiquated bipolar world order to think anything less. The Sino-Soviet  Conflict of 1969, and Nixon's promise of retaliation in the event of a Soviet nuclear strike, very much changed the whole so-called Cold War.
But for some the spectre of the Chinese "hordes" undercutting our way of life would seem to be a convenient scapegoat for own own feelings of inadequacy.

 
George Wallace said:
So? This means that you, like the majority of Canadians, see no nefarious goings on here?  OK.

I did not comment on anything the Chinese were doing. Simply pointing out that the article tries to make AIS sound like something it is not.

Save your lecturing for someone else.
 
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