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Posted by Ian Edwards <iedwards@home.com> on Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:05:44 -0800
I‘m not sure I understand how the conferring, or not, of an order,
decoration or medal has any connection with knighthood. Pardon my
ignorance and for once I am not being sarcastic but does one have to
belong to a Britsh Order eg Order of the Thistle, Bath, etc in order
to be knighted? Certainly, membership in certain Orders does not confer
on one knighthood: consider the MBE given out relatively frequently. The
Beatles got one way back when and were not knighted at the time one or
two were subsequently..
Or have I missed something? Are knights/dames automatically members of
some Order that I am not aware of?
I think "knighthood" was allowed back into Canada for a short period in
the 1930s when Bennett was PM, but was again ended when the Natural
Governing Party yeah, right came back to power under W.L.M. King. I
don‘t recall reading that R.B. Bennett also included the creation of
Peers. But it‘s been a long time since I took Social Studies 30 or
Current Events, as my kids would say.
As far as the CF is concerned, I think the Privy Council ruling I was
going to use the term Privy Council "Order" but that‘s confusing
is a good idea as it prohibits acceptance by soldiers of a salad of
medals from every little two-bit nation around the world next thing you
know some of our troops would be lit up like Xmas trees.
Didja know that Canadians troops could receive the "overseas" bar to the
Canadian Volunteer Service Medal just for being stationed in Washington,
DC during WW2? I know one. Newfoundland too, but that was a little more
dangerous or hardship thereof or was it?.
Didja know that a Brit soldier, could receive the CVSM no overseas bar
without ever setting foot in Canada during the war and never having been
a Canadian? How? Well, for a short time in the mid 50s, if that former
Brit soldier had emegrated to Canada and joined Canadian Army etc he
could apply and receive the CVSM. I know one he also holds the MM: a
"real" medal for gallantry.
BTW, just cause I have the floor:
Question: what‘s the difference between Sheila Copps and the Suez Canal?
Answer: the Suez Canal is a Busy Ditch.
You‘re welcome
Ian G. Edwards, UEL, B.Com, CD, SHK, AFB
post nominal explanations 5 cents each
Michael O‘Leary wrote:
>
> Watchdog, I came across the following at work:
>
> >From the "Policy Respecting the Awarding of an Order, Decoration or Medal
> by a Commonwealth or Foreign Government"
Snip
Issued by Clerk of the Privy
> Council and Secretary to the Cabinet, January 1988
>
> "1. Any Commonwealth or foreign government desiring to award an order,
> decoration od medal to a Canadian citizen shall obtain prior approval of
> the Government of Canada."
>
> "3. The Government of Canada will consider granting the approval .. in
> recognition of:
>
> a. an extraordinary service to mankind,
> b. conspicuous bravery in saving or attempting to save life,
> c. any exceptional service rendered to the country desiring to make the
> award, or
> d. any substantial act or acts contributing to better relations between
> Canada and the country desiring to make the award."
>
> "4. The Government of Canada SHALL NOT [emphasis in original] grant the
> approval ... for an award:
>
> a. that is at variance with Canadian policy or the public interests,
> b. that carries with it an honourary title or confers any precedence or
> privilege,
> c. that is conferred otherwise than by a Head of State or a government
> recognized as such by Canada, or
> d. that is conferred in recognition of services by an individual in the
> employ of Her Majesty in Right of Canada or of a province in the normal
> performance of official duties."
>
> So, this would seem to clearly show that a Canadian cannot be knighted.
>
> mike
>
> At 03:11 PM 1/6/00 -0800, you wrote:
> >I need a little help! Can Canadians be knighted? I think they can‘t,
> however, I can‘t find any information either way to support or to refute
> this. Cheers Watchdog
> Michael O‘Leary
>
> http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com/index.htm
>
> Leadership is the practical application of character. - Colonel R.
> Meinertzhagen, CBE, DSO, Army Diary, 1899-1926, 1960
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I‘m not sure I understand how the conferring, or not, of an order,
decoration or medal has any connection with knighthood. Pardon my
ignorance and for once I am not being sarcastic but does one have to
belong to a Britsh Order eg Order of the Thistle, Bath, etc in order
to be knighted? Certainly, membership in certain Orders does not confer
on one knighthood: consider the MBE given out relatively frequently. The
Beatles got one way back when and were not knighted at the time one or
two were subsequently..
Or have I missed something? Are knights/dames automatically members of
some Order that I am not aware of?
I think "knighthood" was allowed back into Canada for a short period in
the 1930s when Bennett was PM, but was again ended when the Natural
Governing Party yeah, right came back to power under W.L.M. King. I
don‘t recall reading that R.B. Bennett also included the creation of
Peers. But it‘s been a long time since I took Social Studies 30 or
Current Events, as my kids would say.
As far as the CF is concerned, I think the Privy Council ruling I was
going to use the term Privy Council "Order" but that‘s confusing
is a good idea as it prohibits acceptance by soldiers of a salad of
medals from every little two-bit nation around the world next thing you
know some of our troops would be lit up like Xmas trees.
Didja know that Canadians troops could receive the "overseas" bar to the
Canadian Volunteer Service Medal just for being stationed in Washington,
DC during WW2? I know one. Newfoundland too, but that was a little more
dangerous or hardship thereof or was it?.
Didja know that a Brit soldier, could receive the CVSM no overseas bar
without ever setting foot in Canada during the war and never having been
a Canadian? How? Well, for a short time in the mid 50s, if that former
Brit soldier had emegrated to Canada and joined Canadian Army etc he
could apply and receive the CVSM. I know one he also holds the MM: a
"real" medal for gallantry.
BTW, just cause I have the floor:
Question: what‘s the difference between Sheila Copps and the Suez Canal?
Answer: the Suez Canal is a Busy Ditch.
You‘re welcome
Ian G. Edwards, UEL, B.Com, CD, SHK, AFB
post nominal explanations 5 cents each
Michael O‘Leary wrote:
>
> Watchdog, I came across the following at work:
>
> >From the "Policy Respecting the Awarding of an Order, Decoration or Medal
> by a Commonwealth or Foreign Government"
Snip
Issued by Clerk of the Privy
> Council and Secretary to the Cabinet, January 1988
>
> "1. Any Commonwealth or foreign government desiring to award an order,
> decoration od medal to a Canadian citizen shall obtain prior approval of
> the Government of Canada."
>
> "3. The Government of Canada will consider granting the approval .. in
> recognition of:
>
> a. an extraordinary service to mankind,
> b. conspicuous bravery in saving or attempting to save life,
> c. any exceptional service rendered to the country desiring to make the
> award, or
> d. any substantial act or acts contributing to better relations between
> Canada and the country desiring to make the award."
>
> "4. The Government of Canada SHALL NOT [emphasis in original] grant the
> approval ... for an award:
>
> a. that is at variance with Canadian policy or the public interests,
> b. that carries with it an honourary title or confers any precedence or
> privilege,
> c. that is conferred otherwise than by a Head of State or a government
> recognized as such by Canada, or
> d. that is conferred in recognition of services by an individual in the
> employ of Her Majesty in Right of Canada or of a province in the normal
> performance of official duties."
>
> So, this would seem to clearly show that a Canadian cannot be knighted.
>
> mike
>
> At 03:11 PM 1/6/00 -0800, you wrote:
> >I need a little help! Can Canadians be knighted? I think they can‘t,
> however, I can‘t find any information either way to support or to refute
> this. Cheers Watchdog
> Michael O‘Leary
>
> http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com/index.htm
>
> Leadership is the practical application of character. - Colonel R.
> Meinertzhagen, CBE, DSO, Army Diary, 1899-1926, 1960
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